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Nancy Grace Transcripts
Nancy Grace - CNN Headline News - 11/12/08
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCN9296ImkY
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-f4HonIVtg
Nancy Grace - Transcript - 11/12/08
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.
VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you 15,000 baht to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: You have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me OK, after your school we talk about again?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: But.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how long I have to dance for? One hour, two hour?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Like 10 hour a day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s too much.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. I don`t know. I don`t know.
(CROSSTALK)
VAN DER SLOOT: From five to ten. Yes, from 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, that is long.
VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know. But it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good. Give them drink.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I can hardly even look at it.
(INAUDIBLE) Joran Van Der Sloot, caught in the act, reportedly, trying to ensnare young college students to become hookers. Of course, they thought they were going to be dancers and models.
To Art Harris, investigative journalist, unconfirmed reports as we go to air, that police have finally tracked down Joran Van Der Sloot. Yes, no.
ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, COVERING STORY: That`s right, Nancy, on a small island off the coast of Thailand. A policeman who actually had his photon on his mobile phone spotted him and he`s now reportedly under arrest for -- you know, for this investigation.
I spoke to the Thai embassy today, Nancy, and if this is true, under Thai sex trafficking laws passed this June, he could face stiff prison term and a big fine.
GRACE: Oh boohoo.
Let`s go back to the lawyers, now joining me, along with Renee Rockwell, Atlanta, Alan Ripla, New York, international law attorney, Michael Griffith in New York.
Michael Griffith, you`re back for more.
MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY. CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I love being here seeing you again.
GRACE: So what about this? Why is he hiding out in Ko Samui?
GRIFFITH: Well, you know, Nancy, after seeing this video again, you know, I believe there`s been a double scam here.
GRACE: Let me guess.
GRIFFITH: Listen to this.
GRACE: Van Der Sloot is the victim?
GRIFFITH: No, listen to this.
GRACE: Can you make it brief?
GRIFFITH: Nowhere has -- prostitution been mentioned on this video or in the transcript. Yesterday, the spokesperson said that prostitution was mentioned. It was mentioned, it would have been on your video.
I believe what happened was, Van De Vries, the reporter, took a film crew over there, spent thousands of dollars, was probably paid for to do a sting, they got a hotel, and no prostitution was mentioned. And now they`re pandering to the world that there was prostitution.
GRACE: So what is he doing trying to pay these college students $428 to get papers to go to the Netherlands?
GRIFFITH: First of all, there were no papers.
GRACE: We just heard him say that. What was he talking about, Griffith?
GRIFFITH: To dance. He`s a self-styled dance promoter, obviously.
GRACE: OK, you know what, I`m glad you said that.
GRIFFITH: He has nothing to do with prostitution.
GRACE: I`m going to save that clip for your (INAUDIBLE).
I want to go to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for De Vries. It is on the video, he is caught talking about prostitution, correct?
PETER SCHOUTEN, SPOKESMAN FOR PETER DE VRIES, EXECUTED STING OPERATION: Yes, hi, Nancy, that`s correct. And he has (INAUDIBLE), he represented himself clearly as a pimp. Michael is totally wrong.
Joran initiated this crime himself. He produced the girls, he made the deal, he took the money. He did human trafficking with the intent to exploit the girls, and that carries a maximum of eight years in jail.
GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer on this story -- Rupa, the offshoot of all of this is it has reignited the investigation into Natalee Hallow way`s death. Explain.
RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s correct, Nancy. Basically, the Aruban authorities -- I was on the phone with Hans Moss with yesterday, and essentially, De Vries, his original tape which was aired last year, at the end of last year, reignited the case. They were about to close the case last December.
Now let me just make this clear. They weren`t going to close the investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. They were only going to close the investigation against Van Der Sloot.
GRACE: The new witness, the new witness, the new witness. Tell me.
MIKKILINENI: So they have a new witness that`s come out, and apparently this guy came forward before, but authorities didn`t take him seriously. They didn`t think he was credible. Now this witness was given polygraph tests, two polygraph tests that he did pass, and he says that the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared, he saw somebody looking like Joran Van Der Sloot and he does say that he recognizes Joran Van Der Sloot later on in the upcoming days.
GRACE: You know what, I`m interested, Rupa, that you said he`s passed two polygraphs.
Art Harris, what exactly does he say he saw the night Natalee went missing?
HARRIS: Two questions. He says that he saw Joran Van Der Sloot walking down a road at the time that Natalee was reportedly disappeared. Muddy, from the waist down, and later driving back in a red jeep, with a man he later recognized as Paul as his father.
GRACE: To Dave Holloway, joining us tonight exclusively. This is Natalee`s father. What do you make of this witness?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: You know, we knew about the witness probably eight or nine months ago. He identified himself to the boat captain, John Savati, and from there we proceeded to introduce him to the police department, so that they could take a witness statement.
And unfortunately, the police did not want to take him seriously. So we in turn provided him with an attorney. The attorney believed the witness. And we allowed him to talk to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor still discounted him. So the last resort was we.
GRACE: It`s ridiculous.
HOLLOWAY: We asked him to come to Houston, Texas, and we did a polygraph test, and guess what.
GRACE: He passed.
HOLLOWAY: He passed.
GRACE: Back to Art Harris, investigative journalist, he`s passed two polygraph tests. Tell me, how does daddy, daddy judge Van Der Sloot fit into this scenario?
HARRIS: Well, Nancy, he has told police that he woke up that morning at 7:00. So the worst case, this witness can only be used right now to show that father, the judge, is lying if he is believed. This is not enough to reopen a murder investigation.
GRACE: Says you. I`m sorry, I thought you were an investigative journalist.
(CROSSTALK)
HARRIS: Well, I`ve known you long enough, Nancy. But since he told - - Hans Mos told your producers that only if they found a witness who saw Natalee Holloway on the beach with Joran would they be able to make an arrest.
GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, doesn`t the witness place the judge on the scene?
MIKKILINENI: Yes, the witness does place the judge on the scene. But the thing is we`re not sure where the scene of the crime is. We don`t know if Natalee died on the beach, we don`t know if she died in a pond.
GRACE: Well, that`s what he said on the videotape in the SUV. He says she died on the beach. And he got rid of the body, Rupa. Didn`t he?
MIKKILINENI: He does confess this or admit this in the tape, Nancy. But here`s the thing. We`ve got this witness that places him near a pond that his first.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Speaking of miscarriage of justice, back to the lawyers. Michael Griffith, Renee Rockwell, Alan Ripka.
Renee Rockwell, I`ve never heard anything so ridiculous in my life that you`ve got to have a witness placing him there on the beach with her the night she died? That`s not true. You can make a case on circumstantial evidence. Plus he confessed on a -- in that SUV when he was being secretly recorded.
ROCKWELL: Nancy, I don`t know what else it`s going to take. I`ll say one thing. This deal with the pond and the slow walk and the dad following him, the best -- I have to agree with Art -- that you`re going to get out of that is perhaps some false swearing. Nothing near homicide.
GRACE: Says you.
To Dr. Joshua Perper -- Dr. Perper -- oh-oh, satellite down on Perper. Alan Ripka, weigh in.
RIPKA: Well, at the end of the day when you have an unsolved murder it`s amazing that they would discount a witness statement that placed the father and son together. I can`t believe that, Nancy. Certainly that shows that the father was lying. And that will continue an investigation because you know he`s got something to hide.
GRACE: Michael Griffith, I know what you`re going to say. So to Mike Brooks.
MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Well, Nancy, you know, if you recall back during the investigation, apparently they did pay attention to him a little bit, because if you recall, during the investigation in Aruba, they went back and they drained that pond that was right near the Marriott Hotel. Apparently they thought that some of his story was at least true.
GRACE: Joran Van Der Sloot. Apparently, police have caught up with him on an island off the Thai coast. We`ll keep you posted.
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