i hate kent desormeaux now! i have gone from dislike to despising him
yes pat it is ironic. sighs.
you are right, he has proven it and i hope chip wooley gets some good horses to train now. He said earlier today in an interview it took time, reviewing tapes etc. to figure out Bird, to find exactly what worked with him and that shows me a trainer who really works at it..he did a great job with bird.
Calvin has proven he is a star jockey as well finally. I don't know if you saw his brother in an interview on the pre race say that when he won the derby two years ago and was invited to meet the queen at the WH, he told him he had to go because there were so many kids back home who would give anything to be in that spot and to see him there...he was fighting back tears remembering it. that was when the mall in louisville had to be opened after hours so that calvin and his fiance could get a tux and dress for the night lol
Geesh - how long has been engaged to her? Time to buy the cow already or stop saying it's an engagement. LOL
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victims cryPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:25 pm
LMAO i was thinking the same thing when they mentioned "his fiance" after the derby this year.
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ACPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:26 pm
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Summer Bird ran sixth in the Derby - Dunkirk ran 11th (steadied in the race) neither ran in the Preakness.
Charitable Man didn't run in either.
Oops....I was listening to the commentary and I must have misunderstood what they were talking about. Maybe they were saying Mine that Bird was the only one who ran in all three.
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:30 pm
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anyway they can crop it so we don't have to look at desormeaux's ugly face?
i must have read something bad about him years ago, he has always ticked me off.
I think he is a very good rider but he is a cocky jockey - part of why he went to Japan to ride after his loss Triple Crown ride and loss ( by a nose) on Real Quiet.( had to kind of re-market himself) He made a name for himself riding on the MD circuit in the 80's.
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:34 pm
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Oops....I was listening to the commentary and I must have misunderstood what they were talking about. Maybe they were saying Mine that Bird was the only one who ran in all three.
They may have - that would be correct as far as the first 4 finishers - Flying Private was the only other horse in the Belmont that also ran in the Derby(19th) and Preakness (4th) - gotta give him some props for showing up at the Preakness after finishing 43 lengths behind in the Derby.
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Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:56 pm
Order of finish:
Summer Bird
Dunkirk
Mine That Bird
Charitable Man
Luv Gov
Flying Private
Brave Victory
Mr. Hot Stuff
Chocolate Candy
Miner’s Escape
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It was the winning trainer's (Tim Ice) 35th birthday today.
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victims cryPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:31 pm
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I think he is a very good rider but he is a cocky jockey - part of why he went to Japan to ride after his loss Triple Crown ride and loss ( by a nose) on Real Quiet.( had to kind of re-market himself) He made a name for himself riding on the MD circuit in the 80's.
Oh i absolutely agree he is a good jockey, i just find his personality nasty. He makes me think that if he was a hurdler or jump jockey that he would be the sort to abuse a horse if it meant he won. Yes maybe its because he is so cocky i never liked him. I am so uncharitable i am thinking the bleep went to japan bc he couldn't stand not being on the circuit and having lost.
I don't think you will see Calvin running off to Japan to be the top dog in the smaller pond fame wise because he lost today I notice he didn't go to England to remarket himself
ETA and its not just that he is cocky itself, i mean mike smith, calvin, gerry bailey and many other top jockeys are supremely confident within themselves, they have to be to get on these horses and face the injuries and possible devastating ones let alone death every day. I don't care if someone says "I am the best", i care when they act as if they are god and the others should bow to them including the jockeys who take the same risks, the same heartaches.
Wasn't there a case where a horse got really injured .. don't think he was euthanized, and he never bothered to call or ask how the horse was? And it was a horse he had ridden before, not just a one time pick up?
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:52 pm
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Oh i absolutely agree he is a good jockey, i just find his personality nasty. He makes me think that if he was a hurdler or jump jockey that he would be the sort to abuse a horse if it meant he won. Yes maybe its because he is so cocky i never liked him. I am so uncharitable i am thinking the bleep went to japan bc he couldn't stand not being on the circuit and having lost.
I don't think you will see Calvin running off to Japan to be the top dog in the smaller pond fame wise because he lost today I notice he didn't go to England to remarket himself
ETA and its not just that he is cocky itself, i mean mike smith, calvin, gerry bailey and many other top jockeys are supremely confident within themselves, they have to be to get on these horses and face the injuries and possible devastating ones let alone death every day. I don't care if someone says "I am the best", i care when they act as if they are god and the others should bow to them including the jockeys who take the same risks, the same heartaches.
Wasn't there a case where a horse got really injured .. don't think he was euthanized, and he never bothered to call or ask how the horse was? And it was a horse he had ridden before, not just a one time pick up?
I'm not sure, vc - are you thinking maybe of last year when he pulled up Big Brown in the Belmont and no one could understand why - the horse didn't get hurt - Kent just said that he had no horse. That ticked a lot of people off because some suggested that he just didn't want to finish second again in the last leg of the Triple Crown.
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dragonflyPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:56 pm
I was sad too, VC. I wanted Calvin to get it.
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victims cryPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:59 pm
Pat it has been great having you with us on the triple crown series. You have so much info, im a total clueless person when it comes to racing, i look for the heart string stories more than anything but talking to you i think i have at least picked up some things over the years and learned 500 times that from you yourself.
I know show jumping
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:11 pm
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Pat it has been great having you with us on the triple crown series. You have so much info, im a total clueless person when it comes to racing, i look for the heart string stories more than anything but talking to you i think i have at least picked up some things over the years and learned 500 times that from you yourself.
I know show jumping
I am more famiilar with the wagering side of thoroughbred racing - but love the whole experience. I like the heart string stories too. especially the older owners and/or trainers that have been in the business all their lives and finally get that big horse.
It's fun to be on here each year.
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victims cryPosted:
Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:22 pm
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I'm not sure, vc - are you thinking maybe of last year when he pulled up Big Brown in the Belmont and no one could understand why - the horse didn't get hurt - Kent just said that he had no horse. That ticked a lot of people off because some suggested that he just didn't want to finish second again in the last leg of the Triple Crown.
wouldnt surprise me even tho i think big brown's problem was the trainer took him off steroids bc of all the "talk" about it (even tho many other trainers were using them) insisting that the horse didnt need them it was more like a vitamin for him, and he deflated so desormeaux really didnt have any horse under him. course that doesn't have anything to do with him pulling him up bc he didnt want to become second again but to be fair its quite possible that knowing the horse well he was afraid there was a health problem.
There was just enough time between not getting his last steroid injection and the belmont for it to have stripped some of the strength from him, even just by not feeling the same. You take away any steroid cold given regularly from any animal human or not and they will have a negative effect on the body. In fact now it is very rare for them to give a course of steroids to people without tapering down even on a 3 day course. when given for breathing problems it can actually weaken muscles in the esophagus if you stop cold, seems to me if given for other things it would too
I always believed it was Big Brown's issue but kept my mouth shut bc it seemed a bit much to give a trainer hell for stopping them lol.
gah did i just defend the guy?????
maybe i am thinking of barbaro's jockey .. i remember that even tho he visited once, the trainer really made a couple of comments about how he didn't give a darn for the horse per se, hadn't bothered to call, never tried to find out how he was etc. SUrprised me bc he was being called a hero by everyone at first
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ElizaPosted:
Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:27 pm
Kent
Kent Desormeaux calls fellow jockey Calvin Borel 'naive' for Belmont Stakes prediction
by Bob Fortus, The Times-Picayune
Wednesday June 03, 2009, 8:36 PM
Adam Coglianese/The Associated Press
Jockey Kent Desormeaux, aboard Banrock winning the Kingston race May 10 at Belmont Park, had 'a superman feeling' aboard Real Quiet in the 1998 Belmont. ELMONT, N.Y. - To jockey Kent Desormeaux, Calvin Borel's predictions of victory for Mine That Bird in the Belmont Stakes might be a mistake.
"I think Calvin is naive," said Desormeaux, who'll be riding Summer Bird in the Belmont. "He's naive about the historical event. He's naive about the situation he's in. He's in a different place. I remember being like that with Real Quiet. You think you're invincible. I know the place he's in."
In 1998, Real Quiet, bidding for the Triple Crown in the Belmont, opened a clear lead in the stretch. But he was caught by Victory Gallop and lost by a nose.
"It's a long way home," Desormeaux said. "A mile and a half is farther than you think, and in horse racing, you're never there until you're under the wire."
Desormeaux said he had "a superman feeling" on Real Quiet, but not on Big Brown, who was bidding for the Triple Crown in the Belmont last year.
"There was so much going on in that camp," Desormeaux said. "I wasn't exuding confidence. I never lost any confidence in his ability. I wasn't over the top about his chances. I thought it would be a long way for him because he hadn't had much exercise in three weeks, and dealing with the foot (a cracked hoof). I didn't know how healthy he was."
The race, which Desormeaux called "a debacle," ended at about the quarter pole for Big Brown. Desormeaux pulled him up.
The winner, Da' Tara, paid $79. In the last 10 Belmonts, five winners went off at odds of at least 18-1. The others were Lemon Drop Kid ($61.50, 1999), Commendable ($39.60, 2000), Sarava ($142.50, 2002) and Birdstone ($74, 2004). Point Given in 2001 and Afleet Alex in 2005 were the only winning favorites in the last 10 Belmonts.
ODDS AND ENDS: Borel, who won the Kentucky Derby on Mine That Bird and the Preakness on Rachel Alexandra, became the second jockey to win the Kentucky Derby and Preakness on different horses. In 1898, Hall of Fame jockey Willie Simms won the Kentucky Derby on Plaudit and the Preakness on Sly Fox. Neither horse ran in the Belmont Stakes, and Simms did not have a mount in the Belmont. .¤.¤. Hall of Fame rider Bill Shoemaker came the closest to winning all three Triple Crown races on more than one horse. In 1959, Shoemaker won the Derby on Tomy Lee, finished second in the Preakness on Sword Dancer and won the Belmont on Sword Dancer.
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IsanahPosted:
Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:38 am
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Geesh - how long has been engaged to her? Time to buy the cow already or stop saying it's an engagement.
The person doing this video is more interested in taping the girls showing their breasts!
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diandraPosted:
Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:20 am
I heard another good one:
it's about time to paint the room
or get off the ladder
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victims cryPosted:
Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:48 pm
just some sort of nice news, Calvin Borel will be aboard Mine that Bird in the next race (i think in virginia, its a 750k purse).
oh and the owners refused an offer to buy him, and i am so pleased bc as Chip said, he waited 25 years for a horse like this and he would have been "sad to lose him". The request did go far enough for a vets exam, and i wonder if in the end the owners just decided maybe it wasn't right to the people like chip who did everything to bring him to where he got. It would be different if he started with a top trainer but... but... ok maybe im a softie but if it went that far as a vet approval i have to think the price was right so the refusal must have been more emotional.
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Time to buy the cow already or stop saying it's an engagement. LOL
even tho i think big brown's problem was the trainer took him off steroids bc of all the "talk" about it (even tho many other trainers were using them) insisting that the horse didnt need them it was more like a vitamin for him, and he deflated so desormeaux really didnt have any horse under him. course that doesn't have anything to do with him pulling him up bc he didnt want to become second again but to be fair its quite possible that knowing the horse well he was afraid there was a health problem.
