I just think it's too much of a coincidence that, 1. it seems he didn't want to be black, 2. he didn't want that nose, so suddenly he gets vitiligo which makes his skin white? I don't buy that, never did somehow...
It's just something I never believed, but in the end it doesn't matter what I think...
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HanniePosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:42 pm
Cool Pat, that's hilarious!!
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:05 pm
Hannie wrote:
I don't believe it's because of vitiligo, or there must have been a way to inject it, or that there exists something which causes your melanin to disappear, but other than that I think he had chemical peels and bleaching and stuff...
If he did have vitiligo though and lupus, as several folks close to him confirm, then his face would possibly sink in... and he would have had sensitivity to the sun and several white patches on his skin. He may have had skin treatments to make it all "match," if that makes sense... instead of being black or blackish with big white spots. We all know he was sensitive about his nose and his acne. I am sure he would have also been insecure with vitiligo and the blotches of his skin being unevenly toned an extreme level... JMO.
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:06 pm
Re: ANother Home Movie I Missed...
annie13 wrote:
Gregory Peck and his wife at Neverland, Seeing Gregory Peck asking can I come back next weekend too, is just too touching, What it must have been like to be there and just have fun........be a kid again
Yes... this was just too cute! And Michael has so much fun watching these and you can tell he enjoys watching other people feel like a "child" again and smiling and having fun. I think it's very cute, not creepy or odd at all. I wish more men could be that way.
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:16 pm
Thanks Isanah for the article... Just saw you posted that, and I made a post similar to what that explains... but I didn't know about the possible mental health effects.
FWIW, since it is Wiki, but it is in a few books and one medical guide...
* "Michael Jackson was diagnosed in 1986 with vitiligo and lupus; the latter was potentially lethal but was in remission in Jackson's case.[14] In a 90-minute interview with Oprah Winfrey in February 1993, Jackson dismissed suggestions that he bleached his skin, admitting for the first time that he had the illness. The admission went on to promote awareness of vitiligo, a relatively unknown condition before then.[15][16][17][18] "
Michel Jackson's skin turned white as a result of the common pigment losing skin disease, vitiligo, also known as leucoderma.
There are many myths surrounding the color change of Michael Jackson in the early 90s. He was widely chastised in the media for ‘turning his back on his African ancestry’. He was accused of bleaching his skin in an attempt to ‘look white’.
When the slanderous attacks became intolerable, in 1993, Michael Jackson revealed, during an Oprah show, that he had a skin disease that turned his skin white. 1994, Michael Jackson’s dermatologist Dr.Arnold Klein testified that MJ was diagnosed with vitiligo and lupus in 1984. Though lupus erythematosus is potentially a lethal disease, luckily it was in remission in Michael. Both discoid lupus erythematosus and vitiligo can produce loss of pigmentation in the skin.
What is Vitiligo?
Vitiligo is a common skin disorder that affects 1 in 250 people world over. Half of the cases start between the ages of 10 to 30 years. Genetics plays a role in vitiligo and there is a family history of vitiligo in about 30% of patients, as in the case of Michael Jackson. Vitiligo runs in his family.
Vitiligo is considered an autoimmune disease, where the body’s immune cells attack and destroy the coloring pigment melanin in the skin. The onset of vitiligo may be triggered following some trauma to the skin, stress or other illnesses. In some patients, vitiligo is limited to a small area and is stationary for a long time. 30% patients report some spontaneous regression of the white patches over the years. But in most patients, like Michael Jackson, the progress of vitiligo is relentless with white patches continuing to appear despite treatment.
Vitiligo is a chronic disease and the response to treatment is variable. Early age of onset of vitiligo, presence of associated autoimmune diseases like thyroiditis or lupus erythematosus, life style diseases like diabetes, uncontrolled stress, black hair turning white and the involvement of lips, fingertips, toe-tips and genitals are predictors of poor prognosis in vitiligo.
Is Vitiligo Curable?
Vitiligo is not curable, but in a good percentage of patients, it can be treated to arrest the progress of the disease and provide acceptable re-pigmentation. Management of vitiligo involves medical and surgical treatments.
Medical treatment of vitiligo consists of phototherapy, topical steroids and immunomodulators. Surgical treatment is available for refractory and stable vitiligo (which remained unchanged for a minimum period of two years). These include punch grafting, epidermal grafting and melanocyte culture and transplantation. Needless to say, these treatments are only feasible when a limited area of skin is afflicted with the leucoderma.
Vitiligo and Michael Jackson
Vitiligo started spotting Michael Jackson’s skin from his early twenties; he had lupus; and was under constant stress. No wonder then his vitiligo did not respond to treatment and progressed relentlessly.
Vitiligo, though a harmless disease, can cause immense stress and heart break in the affected, especially in those with dark skin. Michael Jackson, being a performing artist would have felt his world collapsing around him when the disease started showing up on his face as white spots. Still that did not deter him from churning out record breaking top hits one after another. During the Thriller era Michael would mask the white spots with layers of brown make up that would often trickle down to his costumes and even his microphone.
How Michael Jackson Turned White
When there were more white patches than his normal skin color and the daily chore of hours of makeup became cumbersome, MJ was given the choice of depigmenting his skin so that the color would even out. The bleaching or depigmentation of the skin was carried out under the supervision of his dermatologist. 20% monobenzylether of hydroquinone was used for this purpose. This chemical causes a permanent and irreversible loss of skin pigment and produces a chalk-white color.
The absence of the melanin pigment makes the skin more prone for sun burns, hence Michael Jackson had to wear long sleeves and hat, and, at times, cover his face when he went outdoors.
Michael Jackson's Loss of Skin Color: The Trials and Tribulations
The ghostly white color and the plastic surgeries carried out to correct an accident injury (complications of lupus also contributing?) drastically changed Michael Jackson’s features and appearance. This was when the racist slanders flooded against him in the media about how he was forgetting his roots and turning his back on his African ancestry.
On February 10, 1993 Michael Jackson revealed on the Oprah show that his skin had turned white due to vitiligo and he had to depigment the skin to even out his skin color. He dismissed the allegations that he had bleached his skin to ‘become white’.
“I’m a black American, I am proud to be a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am. I have a lot of pride and dignity,” were his words. This did put some brake on the racist attacks on him, but unfortunately there are still many people out there who refuse to accept that Michael Jackson turned white due to the skin disease vitiligo.
Vitiligo: A Harmless Skin Disorder with a Social Stigma
Vitiligo is not a contagious disease or a serious threat to the general health of an individual. But it still carries a social stigma in many communities. Health education and creating a general awareness should help in ridding the myths surrounding the disease. Michael Jackson was the exemplary example that vitiligo need not be a hindrance to building up a great career that would be remembered for generations to come.
This article is dedicated to Michael Jackson, undoubtedly one of the greatest artists of modern times.
Michael Jackson's skin was white because he had a rare skin condition called vitiligo.
Vitiligo is an inherited genetic disorder. It is a condition in which you lose melanocytes (cells that give color to the skin). This results in smooth, white-milky patches in the midst of normally pigmented skin. In the case of African-Americans, this discoloration is very prominent, although any age, sex and race can suffer from it.
Other responses by WikiAnswers contributors:
* There has been widespread controversy about Michael Jackson's "white" skin; some say that Michael had vitiligo; others say that he bleached his skin via plastic surgery. And yet a third theory combines the two: Many believe he bleached his skin to treat the rare pigment disease.
* It is widely stated that Michael Jackson had vitiligo, and thus the reason for his skin lightening is the skin condition that results in a random loss of melanin-producing melanocytes in the skin. He would have patches of completely white skin, where the melanin was missing. It would not, however, be a consistent and complete lightening from head to toe, as Michael Jackson appeared. No case ever documented has been that severe.
Thus the rumors that he had had bleaching seem to have some merit. Otherwise, Michael Jackson's skin color would have been the same color as an albino.
* There are many methods to lighten the skin that range from chemicals to laser treatments, although no one knows if Michael Jackson did officially "whiten" his skin. And if he did, no one knows the methods he used to do so.
Click on the links and Related Questions below for more information about Michael Jackson and vitiligo.
What I was saying is vitiligo did not cause his skin to turn white, but there would be white patches... and Michael would probably want to have an even skin tone. He was self-sonscious about his appearance, and I am sure he would rather be white as Casper than have patches and blotches all over his skin... He was horrified over the acne and his nose and how people did not see him as "cute" after puberty... He thought he was ugly. Being so sensitive and insecure, with plenty of money to do it, he made his skin "match." I do believe that is what happened. Just my opinion, though. Several sources claim he had lupus, vitiligo, and another autoimmune disorder... This must have made him want to alter even more than his nose... People who hate how they look anyway will go to drastic measures to make sure these things can be covered up so that they don't feel so "weird." People thought he looked weird anyway, but i think he preferred the "eccentric" as opposed to the diseased and discolored, etc.
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CherokeeKidPosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:53 pm
This is a bit a provocative site but it shows MJ's different faces and the years those drastic changes were made:
Ryan White was the face of AIDS in the 1980s and he had a close friendship with Michael Jackson. White's mother spoke with Maggie Rodriguez about their relationship.
NEW YORK, July 3, 2009
Ryan White's Mother Remembers Jackson
Mother of Young AIDS Victim Shares Memories of Neverland Ranch and King of Pop's Relationship with Her Son
(CBS) Michael Jackson wrote the song "Gone Too Soon" in Ryan White's honor.
In 1984, White was diagnosed with AIDS at the age of 13 after he received a tainted blood treatment for hemophilia. Ryan became the face for the disease early on in the AIDS crisis, meeting many celebrities, including the King of Pop.
Befriended by Jackson, Ryan and his mother Jeanne White-Ginder both stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch in its heyday, and Jeanne, who appeared on "The Early Show" Friday told CBS News the home was "a place between heaven and Earth."
White-Ginder said her son visited Neverland Ranch at times on his own, and loved the movie theater, Bubbles -- Jackson's chimp, and ordering anything he wanted at Jackson's home.
White-Ginder said the times spent at Neverland are "precious memories." She also showed "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez an album of White's mementos from Jackson's ranch.
White even got a photo with the pop star, she said, who didn't allow cameras on the property.
White-Ginder said on her request, Jackson asked the Neverland Ranch cook to get a Polaroid camera for White to take pictures during his stay.
As for Jackson's relationship with Ryan, White-Ginder said Jackson was always "amazed" with her son.
"I think maybe that was the truth with Michael," White-Ginder told Rodriguez, "Once you met Ryan, you didn't feel sorry for him. Michael said, you know, Ryan never talked about his illness. And he said, you know, he never wanted anybody to feel sorry for him. So I think they really had this good communication of, you know, respect for each other."
White-Ginder added she had no reservations about letting her son stay with Jackson in 1989. White-Ginder said Ryan called her and said he and Jackson watched three hours of "The Three Stooges."
She said White seemed "more mature" around Jackson, who she said loved kids.
"He didn't care what race you were, what color you were, what was your handicap, what was your disease," Jeanne said. "Michael just loved all children."
Jackson gave Ryan his favorite car, a red Mustang, as a gift a year before he died. Ryan White died at age 18 in 1990. White-Ginder said Jackson sat with her and White's sister at the funeral.
At his funeral, White-Ginder said White's car was on display, and Jackson started it and "Man in the Mirror" was playing.
"The little things made Michael so happy," she said. "You could see it in his eyes. He was smiling from ear to ear, and he said, 'I was the last person that Ryan listened to.' And I said 'yes.' Because Ryan played 'Man in the Mirror' over and over and over again."
But White-Ginder said a special memory is the "Gone Too Soon" song and video.
Three days after White's funeral, Jackson called White-Ginder and said he'd promised White he could be in his next video, and now that he's gone, he couldn't do that. But Jackson found a way. The "Gone Too Soon" video featured footage of White, including his media attention as the face of the AIDS epidemic, his life growing up with the disease, and his funeral.
White-Ginder said, "That's a memory we'll share forever."
Ryan White was the face of AIDS in the 1980s and he had a close friendship with Michael Jackson. White's mother spoke with Maggie Rodriguez about their relationship....snip/
Thanks for posting that OG, it's always nice to hear something in a positive light, and what a brave young man Ryan White was.
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:56 pm
You're very welcome. It is so touching, for me. I get goosebumps in light of the tragedy now... It is so heartwarming to realize what kind of person MJ really was at heart, and it is a shame that some people just cannot see it and refuse to see it... I believe he should be remembered for what a generous and caring man he was.
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surajaPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:00 am
Thank you OG and CK for the articles. I saw a TV program years ago about people with vitiligo and they looked horrible and there didn't seem to be a cure for them, but then they didn't have the money that Michael had.
"Genetics plays a role in vitiligo and there is a family history of vitiligo in about 30% of patients, as in the case of Michael Jackson. Vitiligo runs in his family."
If vitiligo runs in Michael's family I find it curious that none of them show any sign of the disease.
No matter, when all is said and done, all Michael ever wanted was to love and be loved in return. No different from the rest of us.
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CherokeeKidPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:29 am
YW, Suraja.
I don't know why MJ's skin was so white, I don't know if he had vitiligo. As you noticed, it seems no one else in his family has it. IF he had vitiligo, why not apply a make up which would match his natural color? Instead, it seems his face, neck, chest, arms, hands and who knows what else is now white.
The thing is: MJ liked controversy, and many times he would contribute to it, create it, IMO. Someone said: With MJ you never know what the truth is.
I think a lot of the things from the past will be brought up as they are also connected to the present. MJ had many faces. Not only because of his plastic surgeries. But also his personalities: In interviews he comes across as this very shy person with this soft voice. On stage, he is anything BUT shy! At times very provocative and aggressive. One of his former PR persons called him "sly like a fox". That MJ was smart enough to do his own PR, that a lot of the controversy he created were PR stunts. Charity can be just PR.
I'm still trying to figure out if he did those things out of the goodness of his heart ~ or to improve his image. JMO.
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:45 am
I don't buy most of the hype. That's why I look at him, listen to him, watch him, use my instincts and judge of character, consider all possibilities, and look at what can actually be proven facts... I believe Michael was a great person. Most of those who were close to him and not just people with "something to say" talk about how he was just the most wonderful person... I believe those people that sound much more sincere than the rats out to destroy someone's good name.
Many performers are doing their "job," something they are used to and proud to do because they do it well. He was shy as a person in his personal life, when people tried to get "close to him" without invitation... It is very possible and likely that a man with his history was shy and a different person on stage. The person and the entertainer were obviously two different people, not unusual to me.
I think the PR stunts was a last laugh kind of thing, like, "They want something? I'll give them something." He probably found it funny, made him laugh, and made those who humiliated him look like fools... I think it might have been revenge, as well as amusement. Not unfair to me! I might get a kick out of doing that if I was constantly defamed... if anybody really cared enough to write about me anyway.
I dunno... I am very suspicious of people, observant, analytical, probing... I am almost like a profiler and somewhat investigative in assessing people. My trust issues and life experiences cause me to always question people and try to look with a good heart and cynical mind, collecting my feelings with supporting facts, and then see what this person is to me... Something like that. It's a fast process, hard to break down in words, but I am usually not very easy on people. I have tried to see bad in Michael, and he had his flaws... but IMO there wasn't a malicious bone in his body, and he seems very sincere. He is probably sly, business smart, but I don't think that makes someone a manipulator. He just knew how to stay ahead... I think if charity was all an act, he would not have left millions to charities in death. That would make him an extremely devious person to portray an artificial image even in death, and I don't see it...
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CherokeeKidPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:38 pm
Look at him, listen to him, watch him... how do you know he is not just putting on a show? Because that is my impression when look at him, listen to him, watch him. JMO.
I noticed that you tend to label people who do not share your sentiments: according to you, they are 'haters', 'rats' and so on. Why is that?
I'm also skeptical about people who speak out for MJ. A lot of them have an agenda, IMO. He had PR people speaking for him, they all got paid big bucks.
One of the major things which turned my off: what MJ did to Paul McCardney. Paul was his friend. And because of MJ actions, he lost Paul as a friend. Hope it was worth to him! IMO, Paul McCardney is one of the most wonderful people in the world.
When was the last time he gave to charity? I remember a comment he supposedly made, that he "spends $2 Million per month on BS".
The will: he owns a lot but he also owes a lot. What will remain will be seen. What's for sure: lots of law suits are still pending and despite he died, they will go forward. He was notorious for not paying his bills, for breaching contracts and causing a financial mess.
I took my rose-colored glasses off after watching "Living with Michael Jackson". Martin Bashir actually spent eight months with MJ, making this documentary where MJ agreed to show 'the real Michael Jackson". And I look at him, listen to him, watch him... didn't like what I saw. JMO.
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SeraphPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:10 pm
Obscuregawdess wrote:
I don't buy most of the hype. That's why I look at him, listen to him, watch him, use my instincts and judge of character, consider all possibilities, and look at what can actually be proven facts... I believe Michael was a great person. Most of those who were close to him and not just people with "something to say" talk about how he was just the most wonderful person... I believe those people that sound much more sincere than the rats out to destroy someone's good name.
Many performers are doing their "job," something they are used to and proud to do because they do it well. He was shy as a person in his personal life, when people tried to get "close to him" without invitation... It is very possible and likely that a man with his history was shy and a different person on stage. The person and the entertainer were obviously two different people, not unusual to me.
I think the PR stunts was a last laugh kind of thing, like, "They want something? I'll give them something." He probably found it funny, made him laugh, and made those who humiliated him look like fools... I think it might have been revenge, as well as amusement. Not unfair to me! I might get a kick out of doing that if I was constantly defamed... if anybody really cared enough to write about me anyway.
I dunno... I am very suspicious of people, observant, analytical, probing... I am almost like a profiler and somewhat investigative in assessing people. My trust issues and life experiences cause me to always question people and try to look with a good heart and cynical mind, collecting my feelings with supporting facts, and then see what this person is to me... Something like that. It's a fast process, hard to break down in words, but I am usually not very easy on people. I have tried to see bad in Michael, and he had his flaws... but IMO there wasn't a malicious bone in his body, and he seems very sincere. He is probably sly, business smart, but I don't think that makes someone a manipulator. He just knew how to stay ahead... I think if charity was all an act, he would not have left millions to charities in death. That would make him an extremely devious person to portray an artificial image even in death, and I don't see it...
OG, sorry to be O/T but could you tell me what the link is for at the bottom of your post? I just thought I must have missed something important
I'm also unsure if MJ actually had SLE (Systemic Lupus Erythematosus). It is likely he suffered from DLE (Discoid Lupus Erythematosus) that features scarring and loss of skin pigment. It should be manageable with drugs and topical skin creams.
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ObscuregawdessPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:42 pm
CherokeeKid wrote:
Look at him, listen to him, watch him... how do you know he is not just putting on a show? Because that is my impression when look at him, listen to him, watch him. JMO.
I noticed that you tend to label people who do not share your sentiments: according to you, they are 'haters', 'rats' and so on. Why is that?
I'm also skeptical about people who speak out for MJ. A lot of them have an agenda, IMO. He had PR people speaking for him, they all got paid big bucks.
One of the major things which turned my off: what MJ did to Paul McCardney. Paul was his friend. And because of MJ actions, he lost Paul as a friend. Hope it was worth to him! IMO, Paul McCardney is one of the most wonderful people in the world.
When was the last time he gave to charity? I remember a comment he supposedly made, that he "spends $2 Million per month on BS".
The will: he owns a lot but he also owes a lot. What will remain will be seen. What's for sure: lots of law suits are still pending and despite he died, they will go forward. He was notorious for not paying his bills, for breaching contracts and causing a financial mess.
I took my rose-colored glasses off after watching "Living with Michael Jackson". Martin Bashir actually spent eight months with MJ, making this documentary where MJ agreed to show 'the real Michael Jackson". And I look at him, listen to him, watch him... didn't like what I saw. JMO.
That's what I mean. I always take a "show" into consideration... So many people in my life have put on a show, people really close to me even, and it turns out in earlier years I never really knew them for what they were. There's always someone trying to con, manipulate, fool, or scam someone... I'm not wearing rose-colored glasses. Since I was wrong, I refused to even consider owning a pair. Of course, that doesn't make my opinion fact, and I respect yours too, CK. I went back and forth on things with MJ for a little while... and I just felt and thought rationally and objectively, and I saw someone not "normal" by accepted standards but totally not evil. Of course, that's just my opinion. I thought, according to Paul McCartney, they remained friends? I could be wrong...
I actually don't like labels. I don't think I say haters or rats much at all and, when I do, it's usually in an onery or sarcastic way. I'm not full of rage or vindictiveness if ever I do label, and often times I admit I do use those words so others get an idea of who I am talking about... because I know others label. For example, these men in our neighborhood have been dubbed "the dork squad". They ride their golf carts down the road drinking and playing the Beach Boys at times. Sometimes it's Huey Lewis. They'll dress "out of style", according to most people around here, and just stuff I'll spare the details of... I will refer to them, as I don't always remember their names, and call them "the dork squad"... If you could hear the tone of my voice when I say it. Others know who I am talking about or "the type" of people I am talking about... but I am not judging them or making fun. In fact, it's usually in a smart ass way... But of course, there might be a time when someone who seems to hate might be called a hater when words fail me... I don't remember ever calling anyone here a rat, but if I was mad or let my agitation get the better of me then it is possible. It's just I don't think on the level of considering people "haters" and "rats" so I don't know how to answer that...
I know people who have not paid their bills and how it looks, what it looks like. I know people and, at one time, I was one who became reliant on drugs that seem to "free me" from ongoing health struggles or physical nuisances... prescriptions. I know people who are extremely weird and do things that even I do not necessarily understand or approve of... and the majority of those people are very good people. In fact, my friend's uncle had a lot of money and wouldn't pay many of his bills or alimony... and he ended up living in a camper on a small piece of property he managed to keep, probably because it was willed to him. It turns out, he was giving money to local church charities the whole time he was "homeless" and during the time he was not paying his own bills. Ironically enough, he was helping locals with his offerings to help pay utility bills, rent, clothing, and toys for Christmas... I think Charla said he had even given a lot of money to do this project where it helped purchase computers for some underprivileged families. I'm not 100% on that last one... All I am saying is, what appears bad may not always be 100% bad. A person with a big heart and stranger than "normal" values and priorities aren't necessarily bad guys deep down.
I will say this though. If Michael Jackson was a manipulator and was a fake, then he succeeds at deserving another award... for the greatest liar and scam artist of all time. If it was all a show, then he put on the best one I think most will ever see.
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SchmertyPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:25 pm
Pat, Thank you for the parody "AM I ....." Do you know the name of the star??? It's hilarious!
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:21 pm
Schmerty wrote:
Pat, Thank you for the parody "AM I ....." Do you know the name of the star??? It's hilarious!
I think it is Tommy Davidson w/ David Allan Grier in the morph scenes....both from "In Living Color"
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olympicPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:31 pm
CherokeeKid wrote:
Look at him, listen to him, watch him... how do you know he is not just putting on a show? Because that is my impression when look at him, listen to him, watch him. JMO.
I noticed that you tend to label people who do not share your sentiments: according to you, they are 'haters', 'rats' and so on. Why is that?
I'm also skeptical about people who speak out for MJ. A lot of them have an agenda, IMO. He had PR people speaking for him, they all got paid big bucks.
One of the major things which turned my off: what MJ did to Paul McCardney. Paul was his friend. And because of MJ actions, he lost Paul as a friend. Hope it was worth to him! IMO, Paul McCardney is one of the most wonderful people in the world.
When was the last time he gave to charity? I remember a comment he supposedly made, that he "spends $2 Million per month on BS".
The will: he owns a lot but he also owes a lot. What will remain will be seen. What's for sure: lots of law suits are still pending and despite he died, they will go forward. He was notorious for not paying his bills, for breaching contracts and causing a financial mess.
I took my rose-colored glasses off after watching "Living with Michael Jackson". Martin Bashir actually spent eight months with MJ, making this documentary where MJ agreed to show 'the real Michael Jackson". And I look at him, listen to him, watch him... didn't like what I saw. JMO.
CK...i listened to Paul McCartney last night, it was not about michael jackson, but the question came up unexpectedly.
sir paul was still except for his mouth moving throughout his interview, that is when the unexpected question about michael came up....sir paul started to shift in his seat, scratched his ears, and shifted some more, cleared his throat and said he has lots of fun working with michael....then the question of the john and paul songs came up, and sir paul said it was very unfair for him not to get paid for the hard work he and john have done and that it was hard at that time.
in the end he said he resigned himself to; that it was what it was, and he has plenty and enough for himself now...
one could tell he was just being kind due to the present circumstances.
immediately after he stopped shifting clearing throat, and continued speaking normal about his tour.
michael did not have vitiligo....numerous bleachings, and peels were done, he wanted to be white, have white children with blond hair....
unfortunately, with all these procedures came drugs to ease the pain, and that is where the addictions began.
martin bashir presented the closest to what no other journalists have done, and what he experienced while living with michael, much of the same was/is being said by lisa marie presely, and randy taraborelli....
i listened to donald trump as well this week, who as well was asked about michael jackson and he had this to say; "michael has worked for me, and done a lot of work for me...he stayed many times at my mara lago estate in palm beach......michael always came through when i asked him to be present for charities etc....i think he was very kind person, a good soul however, michael was no longer the same man in the last 12-15 years....he underwent a lot of procedures, and the doctors messed him up real bad, real pity said donald what a good person he once was..that is all trump would say, and you could see he said it with a heavy heart.
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olympicPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:35 pm
Michael Jackson -- Best Man
Check out this photo of Michael Jackson with his lawyer, John Branca, at Branca's wedding in 1987. Jackson served as best man.
Branca worked for Jackson from 1980-2006, and was then re-hired by Jackson weeks before his death. Branca was named co-executor of Jackson's will.
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olympicPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:01 pm
Madonna Thrills with Michael Jackson Tribute
Madonna paid special tribute to Michael Jackson when she resumed her Sticky & Sweet tour in London Saturday night.
Madonna performed a special song and dance number in memory of Michael, according to the Associated Press. First, a photo of a young Michael was shown on stage, while Madonna performed "Holiday." This was followed by the entrance of an MJ impersonator, dressed in homage to the late King of Pop.
The concert took place at London's O2 arena, where Michael was slated to stage his 50-date tour.
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olympicPosted:
Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:10 pm
LONDON — Madonna paid tribute to Michael Jackson on Saturday night in the same arena where he was to stage his comeback, dancing along with an impersonator doing Jackson's distinctive moves.
Jackson, who died last week, was to begin a series of 50 concerts at the 23,000-seat O2 starting July 13.
A picture of a young Michael Jackson appeared on stage while Madonna was performing "Holiday," then the impersonator came on, wearing a sequined jacket, white T-shirt, white glove and white socks in the Jackson manner.
The music then switched to Jackson's song, "Wanna Be Starting Something," and the impersonator worked through Jackson's moves, including the famous moonwalk. The impersonator didn't sing.
After the number, Madonna told the crowd, "Let's give it up for one of the greatest artists the world has ever known," and the crowd roared its approval.
The impersonator's appearance would not have surprised anyone paying close attention to Madonna's Web site, which had a picture of him dancing in rehearsal.
An estimated crowd of 17,000, including the fashion designer Valentino, turned out for Madonna's concert, the first of two this weekend in London on her "Sticky & Sweet" tour.
In the last dance, Madonna and her dancers all donned jeweled gloves on their right hands in a simple tribute. Behind the stage some words from Jackson's "Man in the Mirror" were flashed up briefly: "If you want to make the world a better place look inside yourself and make a change."
Yu Yin, a 29-year-old student from Beijing, rated the Jackson tribute as the high point of the concert "because she chose a picture of a young Michael which shows me she has an understanding of his lack of childhood life."
"I expected a bit more, but it was tastefully done," said Jane Gadhia, 47, who said she thought Madonna would choose to sing a Jackson song.
In an interview with The Sun newspaper, Madonna had said she was "terribly sad" about Jackson's death.
"To be able to do what he did at such an early age was unearthly, everybody grew up in awe of him," The Sun quoted her as saying.
"To work with him and become friends, and hang out with him, was exciting for me. I used to love picking his brains about musical stuff."
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(So sweet!)
I went back and forth on things with MJ for a little while... and I just felt and thought rationally and objectively, and I saw someone not "normal" by accepted standards but totally not evil. Of course, that's just my opinion. I thought, according to Paul McCartney, they remained friends? I could be wrong...
