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Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:31 pm |
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Dear Dana Pretzer
Dear Dana,
Greetings once again from Toronto.
I understand Beth Holloway will be on your show Wednesday, February 13, 2008.
Beth has made numerous tv appearances since Peter de Vries aired his undercover admissions from Joran. On each occasion, she's made it clear: "I want to kill him, peel the skin off his face". She's had an open and free forum on all american shows to speak those words.
Beth is clearly on record (videotape) as fully supporting and endorsing Scared Monkeys, where numerous death threats and threats of violence and mayhem against Joran and Paul van der Sloot have appeared regularly and without sanction for 2-1/2 years.
I submit to you that her words above could be interpreted by a reasonable person to constitute incitement to any deranged fanatic to carry out her words in one form or another. In fact, I submit her repeated delivering of those words on international television could, in addition, be seen by a reasonable person to be a form of warning to Joran van der Sloot.
The CRTC as well as Sirius Satellite Radio has certain rules and regulations imposed on those who use canadian airwaves to broadcast. I'm sure your police service expects its officers to behave in their personal lives and endeavours in a manner that doesn't reflect negatively on that service.
I'm asking you to contact Beth and suggest that her thoughts about killing Joran and peeling the skin off his face are not appropriate for canadian broadcast. I really don't want to hear her utter those words again, especially on canadian radio.
I'll be listening with interest tomorrow night.
Sincerely,
(X. XXXXXXXX)
- Heli
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| pax
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:38 pm |
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Dear Dana,
Never heard your show.
Love that Tim Horton coffee.
Sincerely,
pax
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:40 pm |
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The above is copy of an e-mail I sent to Dana earlier today.
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| K_Meine
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:41 pm |
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Heli,
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but those are the types of words that people want to hear in the media. Pure emotion and sensationalism.
K
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| SavannahStar
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:43 pm |
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Who's Dana?
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| justamom
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:44 pm |
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I think its a great email, however I think some words might be to difficult for Dana and his viewers to understand.
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| Kienstail
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:44 pm |
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Dear Dana,
Are you a man or woman. Never listened to your podcast but did read you're kinda bitchy, hence the question. Dana woulde be a female name in my culture but supporting an extremist right wing blog seems a male activity to me. I sure could be wrong though! Please set me straight.
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| tulsad
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:45 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | The above is copy of an e-mail I sent to Dana earlier today. |
Kudos, Heli. I have serious doubts that he'll pay any attention to your words, but at least you've gone on record. If, at some point down the road, something does happen - he can never say he wasn't warned.
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| tulsad
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:46 pm |
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Dear Dana,
Will you be broadcasting from mom's basement or bathtub tomorrow?
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| gwen
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:48 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Who's Dana? |
That freak with the radio show that worships the Twittys...Pretzer.
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| Schmerty
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:48 pm |
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Thank you Heli.
Beautifully composed, well expressed. You certainly know your facts. Somebody has to say it & you have done it well. 
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| Fishy
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:49 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | The above is copy of an e-mail I sent to Dana earlier today. |
Good Heli. Hopefully it works.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:49 pm |
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Dear Dana,
I loved you on China Beach and I think that your role on Desperate Housewives is a hoot.
Keep up the good work. I never knew that you were Canadian.
Sincerely,
pathenry
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:50 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | The above is copy of an e-mail I sent to Dana earlier today. |
That's how the last meltdownee started. 
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:05 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: | Heli,
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but those are the types of words that people want to hear in the media. Pure emotion and sensationalism.
K |
Like I care, I don't want to hear them on canadian radio for the reasons
I stated in my e-mail.
So whatever the public wants, no matter how it detracts from true
justice or allows somebody like Beth Holloway to speak such heinous
words, it should all be ok?
Dana broadcasts in Canada and canadian radio and television does NOT
present that type of hyperbole and veiled threats and possible incitement
of others to violence.
Let it stay in america !!!!
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:09 pm |
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That's how the last meltdownee started. |
What meltdown?
I've written to Dana before and rest assured, he's well aware of my
position. Following my first e-mail to him, he promptly made several
posts at SM distancing himself from the death threats etc and asking
posters to cease and desist with threats of violence and/or homicide
against Joran and Paul.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:15 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Like I care, I don't want to hear them on canadian radio for the reasons
I stated in my e-mail.
So whatever the public wants, no matter how it detracts from true
justice or allows somebody like Beth Holloway to speak such heinous
words, it should all be ok?
Dana broadcasts in Canada and canadian radio and television does NOT
present that type of hyperbole and veiled threats and possible incitement
of others to violence.
Let it stay in america !!!! |
While I personally do not condone saying any of it, nor do I believe that Beth's comments are an attempt to incite violence against Joran.........I do think you are riding that horse a little high in the saddle....
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CAB Code of Ethics
Commentary re Clause 9: Radio Broadcasting
Precedents relating to Violence
The first time a CBSC Adjudicating Panel was called upon to address the issue of violence on radio was CIWW-AM re The Geoff Franklin Show (CBSC Decision 92/93-0181, October 26, 1993). In that case, the Ontario Regional Panel dealt with an allegation that the host of an open-line radio show was advocating violence. In that case, the host had responded to a case of animal cruelty by encouraging callers to suggest methods of “getting even” with the perpetrator of the crime. The Panel did not find any breach of a Code:
It determined that the host had, as a dog-lover himself, been motivated by anger in marshalling the listeners’ calls but that he had not ever meant to be taken as a serious advocate of criminal activities. In the result, it considered Mr. Franklin’s comments to be in poor taste but not constituting a breach of any of the provisions of the Code of Ethics.
CIQC-AM re Galganov in the Morning (CBSC Decision 97/98-0473, August 14, 1998) involved the host’s use of offensive language in the phrase “we have to ... beat the crap out of all these ... crapheads.” The host, Howard Galganov, was a well-known activist, anti-separatist campaigner and advocate for the rights of Anglophone Quebeckers. Despite the fact that one might reasonably conclude that such acts of violence were perhaps plausible in nature, the Panel did not conclude that the host, in making the statement, had seriously advocated violence against whoever he considered to be the “crapheads” at the time. The Panel stated:
Leaving aside for the moment the issue of vulgar language [...], the Council does not find the statement “we have to ... beat the crap out of all these ... crapheads” to be in breach of the fairness requirement of the Code. The Council does not view this statement as “[translation] a call to violence”, as contended by the complainant. While the meaning sought to be conveyed by Mr. Galganov in making this pronouncement is ambiguous, to say the least, the Council does not consider this isolated comment to be more than an unpleasant, tasteless, juvenile comment, but not a genuine pre-meditated attempt to encourage the commission of a criminal offence.
In CKAC re an episode of the Gilles Proulx Show (CBSC Decision 98/99-1108, February 21, 2000), the host “advocated” dropping an atomic or neutron bomb on the home of his radio host arch-rival André Arthur. After reviewing the CBSC’s jurisprudence on the use of sarcasm to deal with such situations, the Quebec Regional Panel said
The Council does not for a moment believe that there was any intention on the part of the host to advocate violence. In a way, its conclusion is simplified by the exaggerated nature of the host’s “violent” suggestion. Had it been a realistic suggestion, it might have been reasonable for the Council to conclude that the host had in fact been advocating a criminal act; however, the utter absurdity of the “suggested” use of nuclear or neutron bombs, which are obviously inaccessible weapons, makes it clear that this is simply a hyperbolic device used as a part of the well-known rivalry between the two Quebec radio hosts.
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/cabethics/clause9.php
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:16 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
What meltdown?
I've written to Dana before and rest assured, he's well aware of my
position. Following my first e-mail to him, he promptly made several
posts at SM distancing himself from the death threats etc and asking
posters to cease and desist with threats of violence and/or homicide
against Joran and Paul. |
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| JamiJo
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:20 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
What meltdown?
I've written to Dana before and rest assured, he's well aware of my
position. Following my first e-mail to him, he promptly made several
posts at SM distancing himself from the death threats etc and asking
posters to cease and desist with threats of violence and/or homicide
against Joran and Paul. |
You have such power.......
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:23 pm |
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| JamiJo wrote: |
You have such power....... |
I got him scrambling last time I e-mailed him. We'll see what happens
this time.
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:25 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | Heli wrote: |
Like I care, I don't want to hear them on canadian radio for the reasons
I stated in my e-mail.
So whatever the public wants, no matter how it detracts from true
justice or allows somebody like Beth Holloway to speak such heinous
words, it should all be ok?
Dana broadcasts in Canada and canadian radio and television does NOT
present that type of hyperbole and veiled threats and possible incitement
of others to violence.
Let it stay in america !!!! |
While I personally do not condone saying any of it, nor do I believe that Beth's comments are an attempt to incite violence against Joran.........I do think you are riding that horse a little high in the saddle....
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CAB Code of Ethics
Commentary re Clause 9: Radio Broadcasting
Precedents relating to Violence
The first time a CBSC Adjudicating Panel was called upon to address the issue of violence on radio was CIWW-AM re The Geoff Franklin Show (CBSC Decision 92/93-0181, October 26, 1993). In that case, the Ontario Regional Panel dealt with an allegation that the host of an open-line radio show was advocating violence. In that case, the host had responded to a case of animal cruelty by encouraging callers to suggest methods of “getting even” with the perpetrator of the crime. The Panel did not find any breach of a Code:
It determined that the host had, as a dog-lover himself, been motivated by anger in marshalling the listeners’ calls but that he had not ever meant to be taken as a serious advocate of criminal activities. In the result, it considered Mr. Franklin’s comments to be in poor taste but not constituting a breach of any of the provisions of the Code of Ethics.
CIQC-AM re Galganov in the Morning (CBSC Decision 97/98-0473, August 14, 1998) involved the host’s use of offensive language in the phrase “we have to ... beat the crap out of all these ... crapheads.” The host, Howard Galganov, was a well-known activist, anti-separatist campaigner and advocate for the rights of Anglophone Quebeckers. Despite the fact that one might reasonably conclude that such acts of violence were perhaps plausible in nature, the Panel did not conclude that the host, in making the statement, had seriously advocated violence against whoever he considered to be the “crapheads” at the time. The Panel stated:
Leaving aside for the moment the issue of vulgar language [...], the Council does not find the statement “we have to ... beat the crap out of all these ... crapheads” to be in breach of the fairness requirement of the Code. The Council does not view this statement as “[translation] a call to violence”, as contended by the complainant. While the meaning sought to be conveyed by Mr. Galganov in making this pronouncement is ambiguous, to say the least, the Council does not consider this isolated comment to be more than an unpleasant, tasteless, juvenile comment, but not a genuine pre-meditated attempt to encourage the commission of a criminal offence.
In CKAC re an episode of the Gilles Proulx Show (CBSC Decision 98/99-1108, February 21, 2000), the host “advocated” dropping an atomic or neutron bomb on the home of his radio host arch-rival André Arthur. After reviewing the CBSC’s jurisprudence on the use of sarcasm to deal with such situations, the Quebec Regional Panel said
The Council does not for a moment believe that there was any intention on the part of the host to advocate violence. In a way, its conclusion is simplified by the exaggerated nature of the host’s “violent” suggestion. Had it been a realistic suggestion, it might have been reasonable for the Council to conclude that the host had in fact been advocating a criminal act; however, the utter absurdity of the “suggested” use of nuclear or neutron bombs, which are obviously inaccessible weapons, makes it clear that this is simply a hyperbolic device used as a part of the well-known rivalry between the two Quebec radio hosts.
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/cabethics/clause9.php |
Quoting a Code of Ethics from the US is of no relevance. Dana Pretzer
is a canadian police officer broadcasting under the laws of this country
and the rules and regulations of the CRTC and Sirius Satellite Radio.
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| JoJoe
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:27 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Like I care, I don't want to hear them on canadian radio for the reasons
I stated in my e-mail.
So whatever the public wants, no matter how it detracts from true
justice or allows somebody like Beth Holloway to speak such heinous
words, it should all be ok?
Dana broadcasts in Canada and canadian radio and television does NOT
present that type of hyperbole and veiled threats and possible incitement
of others to violence.
Let it stay in america !!!! |
Exactly Heli
One good thing about are Media we don't spew that kind of garbage on air
and i don't think it should start now because of Beth. I like how are crimes
are not tried in the media like the US and tried in court. As sick as he was least Pickton
got a fair trail cause it was kept out of the news.
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| SavannahStar
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:34 pm |
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That freak with the radio show that worships the Twittys...Pretzer. |
Oh yeh oh yeh.....that's right. TY, Gwen.
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| Heli
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:35 pm |
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| JoJoe wrote: |
Exactly Heli
One good thing about are Media we don't spew that kind of garbage on air
and i don't think it should start now because of Beth. I like how are crimes
are not tried in the media like the US and tried in court. As sick as he was least Pickton
got a fair trail cause it was kept out of the news. |
Not that oodles of canadians listen to Pretzer  but nonetheless
we don't engage in that kind of crap here, in even the most high profile
cases. Pretzer is nothing but a yankee wannabe; has he ever had one
program on the little girl from Trois Rivieres missing since the summer:
Cedrica Provencher?
Like you said, Pickton's crimes were heinous and gruesome yet
the canadian public received factual, impartial reports as the case was
investigated and eventually went to trial. The guy absolutely had a fair
trial without input of a media driven crazed public.
In Canada, the circus is called "Garden Brothers Circus" not the judicial
system.
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| Heli wrote: |
Quoting a Code of Ethics from the US is of no relevance. Dana Pretzer
is a canadian police officer broadcasting under the laws of this country
and the rules and regulations of the CRTC and Sirius Satellite Radio. |
It looks like a Canadian site to me....
Welcome to the CBSC
The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) is an independent, non-governmental organization created by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) to administer standards established by its members, Canada's private broadcasters. The Council's membership includes more than 600 private sector radio and television stations, specialty services and networks from across Canada, programming in English, French and third languages.
The CBSC is proud to make available a large volume of information on its website. For more information about the Council, such as its role, structure, adjudicators and Panels and its history, see the right sidebar menu. The left sidebar menu provides links to the Council's entire collection of Codes, Panel Decisions and press releases, as well as recent Annual Reports and many other public documents such as speeches and submissions by the Council. Information about how to make a complaint to the Council and other Frequently Asked Questions is also available. Links to the CBSC's broadcaster members as well as to other relevant websites are also available through the left sidebar menu
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