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Black-Tulip
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:52 pm |
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Order for severance of actions 7-24-08
http://iperceive.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/2902-330-children-order-for-severance-7-24-08.pdf
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| Black-Tulip
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| Black-Tulip
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| Black-Tulip
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| PerryPeabody
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:28 pm |
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Thanks for putting that up, B-T.
This article explains (kind of) why there are only 330 children on that list:
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=740975&highlight=124+children#740975
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| Tonk
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:42 pm |
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This will help and it's mandatory anyway. Saw comments elsewhere where people were griping about the severance and can't understand what could possibly be objectionable about it.
Interesting that this was on the motion of CPS -- individual attorneys have been asking for severance since day one. I think CPS is gearing up to take action in individual cases.
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| PerryPeabody
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:35 pm |
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Judge divides FLDS child cases
By Paul A. Anthony (Contact)
gosanangelo.com
Originally published 02:17 p.m., July 25, 2008
Nearly four months after the largest child-custody case in U.S. history commenced, Texas 51st District Judge Barbara Walther has broken it up, leaving 234 separate cases involving the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Walther split Case No. 2902 - which included more than 300 children - into 110 cases grouped by mother, and Case 2903, which included more than 30 children, into nine cases, also grouped by mother. They join 115 cases filed separately by the state's Child Protective Services agency, which removed nearly 440 children from the sect's Schleicher County compound in early April.
"This is something we've known all along needs to be done," said Tom Green County District Court clerk Vicki Vines. "Nobody had a good enough grasp on it (until now). Everybody's got it a little more under control."
According to the motions requesting the division, filed by CPS, court-ordered DNA tests "and other documents" have sufficiently confirmed the relationship between the children in the cases and their biological mothers, allowing the court to move forward with splitting the massive case.
The state seized 438 children and mountains of evidence from the sect's YFZ Ranch in a weeklong raid that began April 3, alleging a "pervasive pattern and practice" of forced marriage and sexual abuse. A pair of appellate courts later reversed Walther's decision to place all the children in state custody and ordered them returned to their parents, with restrictions, but investigations by CPS and law enforcement into the sect continued.
A Schleicher County grand jury Tuesday indicted six sect members, including leader Warren Jeffs on sex abuse-related charges, and is scheduled to meet again next month.
CPS requested the division "to make a very large and very complex case easier to manage for the court, for our agency, and for all the other parties," CPS spokesman Patrick Crimmins said in a statement.
The agency initially filed 119 individual cases and the two mass petitions, Crimmins said, which covered 467 suspected children. As some were found to be adults and two children were born in state custody, the number fluctuated to the current number of 440 and the individual petitions dropped to 115, he said.
Those individual petitions join the newly divided 119 cases to create the total of 234, Crimmins said.
"The new alignment of the cases, in sibling groups according to the mother, has been one of our consistent goals, and it is the standard practice in CPS cases," he said. "This was not possible at the outset of this case due to the lack of reliable information at the time the children were removed."
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| PerryPeabody
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:36 pm |
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Tonk-
Is there a list with the 115 cases filed by separate petitions available somewhere?
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| Tonk
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:10 pm |
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| PerryPeabody wrote: | Tonk-
Is there a list with the 115 cases filed by separate petitions available somewhere? |
Not sure I understand. Petitioner is the same in each case. The big case, cause no. 2902 was styled "In the Interest of 330 unnamed children of the YFZ Ranch, children" That cause will now be divided into a bunch of separate cause numbers and sub-cause numbers but it's still the same petition and amended petition. My guess is the Department will now amend their pleadings and request different relief in different cases. pretty big task considering there are only two attorneys managing all of these custody cases
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| Tonk
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Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:18 pm |
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oh I see what youre saying ...a list of the cases that were filed separately in the beginning. Theres a list somewhere ..
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| PerryPeabody
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:05 am |
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| Tonk wrote: | | oh I see what youre saying ...a list of the cases that were filed separately in the beginning. Theres a list somewhere .. |
If you remember where it is or come across it, I'd appreciate it if you'd post it.
TIA
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| Tonk
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:23 am |
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| PerryPeabody wrote: |
If you remember where it is or come across it, I'd appreciate it if you'd post it.
TIA |
I'll see if I can find it ...actually there is probably not a separate list that just lists those 115 separately but there are a variety of lists of each child and their cause no ...so it would include the 2902 children but the information on the separate cases could be culled out.
Anyway I'll look. And it's odd which cases they filed separately and which they included in the lumped together unnamed children cause. Supposedly it had to do with being able to identify parent -child relationships but it seems more random than that. I know one attorney & they have one boy who had a separate cause number from the beginning but his father was not identified until much later and his mother goes by at least two different names but another client was in the 330 unnamed children even though she consistently gave xorrect identifying information about herself andher mother and father. Maybe just the rush and the volume of cases made it impossible to sort out before the hearing
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| PerryPeabody
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:26 am |
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| Tonk wrote: |
I'll see if I can find it ...actually there is probably not a separate list that just lists those 115 separately but there are a variety of lists of each child and their cause no ...so it would include the 2902 children but the information on the separate cases could be culled out.
Anyway I'll look. And it's odd which cases they filed separately and which they included in the lumped together unnamed children cause. Supposedly it had to do with being able to identify parent -child relationships but it seems more random than that. I know one attorney & they have one boy who had a separate cause number from the beginning but his father was not identified until much later and his mother goes by at least two different names but another client was in the 330 unnamed children even though she consistently gave xorrect identifying information about herself andher mother and father. Maybe just the rush and the volume of cases made it impossible to sort out before the hearing |
Thanks for looking.
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| Tonk
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speaking of family identities ...have y'all heard the rumor that a certain percentage of the DNA was so similar to other DNA that they had to toss it because they could not rule out enough individuals to determine a match. Heard another rumor that some of the DNA has revealed some kids have different parent (s) than what they told CPS.
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| Black-Tulip
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:50 am |
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| Tonk wrote: |
Heard another rumor that some of the DNA has revealed some kids have different parent (s) than what they told CPS. |
LOL - Could be told in "good faith". Cheated husband?? 
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| Tonk
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Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:50 pm |
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| Black-Tulip wrote: |
LOL - Could be told in "good faith". Cheated husband?? |
Dont really know what to make of that ...coule be cheating husband I suppose but I dont think theres much cheating going on in this group. interesting to see what happe
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