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liesbeth
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What were the reasons Paulus did not become a judge?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:46 am |
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Not logical at all, the casino is violating administrative law, Paul is not violating anything in the penal code by going to the casino, wether his minor son is with him or not. Paul has never been convicted and therefore not considered guilty of anything.
Paul simply failed to complete his RAIO education, but that is not sensational/geruchtmakend enough for you I guess.. Go make up more stuff..
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| GEL
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:59 am |
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liesbeth, I think paulus just failed his tests, guess he wasn't as book smart as he thought maybe. He was/is street smart enough though, kinda like a thug type/corrupt, because IMO, he has done things many times in the past and probably still is to use the Dutch-Aruba law to his advantage. You know paulus had already failed becoming judge before all this happened with Natalee, right?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:27 am |
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Citing a Kahnawake online casino as source for Aruban law, LOL!
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| all10suspects
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:40 am |
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| dugo wrote: | | Citing a Kahnawake online casino as source for Aruban law, LOL! |
Are not thier signs outside the casino that says no one under 18 yet Paul took Joran anyway? If they are in their do you think they may do some drining? How much bonding did Paul do with Joran while Anita was away?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:42 am |
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fwiw, It was Joran taking his dad to the casino, not the other way around, imo to fool his parents into thinking he just played low stakes poker tournaments. The donations boiler room tried some makebelieve about Paul having a huge credit line at the casino, funny thing is, he is by no means a regular..
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| liesbeth
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:44 am |
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| GEL
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:52 am |
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liesbath wrote:
And a father is responsible for his minor son.
A person going to casino's to play cards with minors is not suitable for a job as a judge.
It is against the law: it is as simple as that.
I agree with this 100%.
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| liesbeth
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:53 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
At the time he was arrested he was a judge in training according to Karin Jansen and according to the Dutch papers.
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.. and appointed as rechter-plaatsvervanger till 1/1/2006
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And a father is responsible for his minor son.
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Nonsense, 17 year olds are responsible for their own crimes, damages and debts, not their parents.
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A person going to casino's to play cards with minors is not suitable for a job as a judge.
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That's your opinion, not the law.
| liesbeth wrote: |
It is against the law: it is as simple as that.
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For the casino, it is not paul offering hazzard games but the HI. Where is the outrage that they still have a licence to operate a casino?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:56 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
I like your sense of humor.   |
Not meant as a joke, Joran is the casino regular, not Paul.
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| liesbeth
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:57 am |
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| GBMW
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:04 am |
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According to Paul it was his own choice....LOL.
http://www.bndestem.nl/weekend/article1121755.ece
Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot
Saturday, February 17 2007 – Son Valentijn also didn't like the idea of this reporter coming as well. "Dad, don't you have something better to do on a Sunday afternoon, with the odds you're going to say things you will regret or that will be completely misunderstood", he 'paternally' told Paul van der Sloot (54).
And yes, he thought about cancelling until the last moment as well. He will continue to come back to that dilemma. What to do? Try to regain your life with your family far away from the media? Or let yourself be heard? "Maybe, just maybe", Van der Sloot sr. justifies why he didn't cancel, "something positive will come out of this negativity. Other people might learn from this, fellow sufferers might find our experiences useful. Crisis situations are similar."
But the crisis situation in which the Van der Sloot family finds themselves since Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared in May 30, 2005 is very bizarre. The American girl celebrated a graduation party on 'One Happy Island'. Van der Sloot was detained for three days on the police station, his son Joran was detained until the beginning of September, suspect of being involved with the disappearance of the American.
Now it's quiet around the bungalow in Montana. The sons Valentijn (17) and Sebastian (12) are with friends, Van der Sloots wife Anita went to Holland to help Joran, who has Pfeiffer, to help with his book that will be released in April. "We are writing things down as well. When you write, you need to sort things out and we're working hard on that. You think you can give it a place by writing. You don't find closure easily. I hope the final verdict concerning my damages case will be some kind of closure for me."
That can happen now: last week the judge stated that Paul van der Sloot was falsely detained, but didn't give him compensation.
Wouldn't it have been better to make one book with all of your stories?
"I would have preferred that as well, but Joran already had contact with the publisher. He doesn't spare himself in the book, it's good he does that, but it also brings tension. What kind of reaction will it get? Can he give his message?
But it's nothing compared to the anxiety & tension when Joran was arrested.
"All those weeks I was pretty calm. You put yourself above the situation. The situation was so bizarre. Almost a kind of trance, a kind of meditation feeling. You keep being capable of arranging things, and it was also needed to regulate things & to support each other."
How was it to be looked up in your home, hounded by media who were at the door all the time?
"I was home immediately; I couldn't do my job as a lawyer at the courthouse anymore. With the president of the Court I had agreed to take a leave of absence to avoid any possible appearance of a mixing interest. Anita has not missed a day of her school where she gives lessons. We went to Joran at the police station every day. A lot of support came from our environment, from acquaintances and friends. They tried to protect us against the media hype. Valentijn & Sebastian went to friends in America. They were looked after & protected there. We tried to give it a positive spin from the beginning. The family relation was becoming stronger.
Did you held resentment against the media, the huge American broadcasters and journalists who were on their case all the time?
"No, but the question: how can this happen? And especially disappointment and anger. The journalists that we experienced all carry their own agenda. They are looking for the easy story and do no research. Especially when Joran was released, it was intense. He, against our advice, didn't avoid the media. In itself he didn't do too bad in interviews, but sometimes things were so mixed up that something else came out. We also didn't realise it was such a hype in the Netherlands. We were startled when we were waited on by a horde of journalists at Schiphol. Crazy things still happen. Peter R. de Vries was at the door unannounced recently. You are being looked at as public property. The media try to create an image of evil and good. You see yourself as a different person in the media. Most people can see through that, but with others certain things remain with them. It is very difficult to remain authentic."
On the internet you have been completely taken apart. Dozens of pictures of Joran and your family. All kinds of details about his and your life.
"The internet is an information source, but also an outlet. Anything is possible, everything is allowed. And the media are open to it, take things over. In the beginning you are frightened and one feels powerless. But it's part of the appearance of reality in which we have rolled.
There were more players in the Holloway case than the media. The Prosecution Office, the ALE, the parents of Natalee.
The prosecution here had a tunnel vision and became totally frustrated. How easily Joran was slandered! The ease in which police members said things out of nowhere! Police chief Dompig who's saying: 'Those boys are as guilty as hell'. Words that are eagerly picked up on by the media. Friends of Joran were arrested because they were friends of Joran. Especially that hurt me a lot. In the beginning they didn't question Joran enough, only a few times. If the police had pulled through then, Joran would have told the real story a lot sooner.
The police was busy with the media, the prosecution office was completely clueless. In the beginning I've begged the police to question Joran so no details would be lost. It's startling the LE gave away the direction completely. Their own image became more important than the case itself. Mainly Jorans' life seemed to be very interesting and was put on the streets completely."
Also by the parents of Natalee?
"The first thing you want is to support the parents. Any way you look at it, Joran left their daughter at the beach, we feel responsible for that. Contact like that hasn't been there, while you could mean a lot to each other. We would have loved to support them. It has been impossible for us. They got the media involved the very first evening.
Eventually they were also caught in the media web. We've really tried to get in contact, they really weren't interested. They hindered the investigation & have been really unfair towards Joran and the entire island. As parents of a missing child you have some degree of permit, but they hurt a lot of people unnecessary. That won't bring their daughter back.
Something around the case keeps hanging. What exactly did happen on that beach? Her disappearance remains a mystery.
"As long as it's not clear what happened to her, the case isn't finished. Joran didn't come with the real story immediately. He regrets that enormously now. It can be explained by the fact that Natalee's family was on his skin immediately, but it was wrong, there is no excuse for that. The Dutch police is looking at the case as a 'cold case'. I expect the LE to close the case in June. Somewhere I do hope that an independent spirit is working on the case and will solve it."
Joran has become a world known civilian. Who's looking for his name on the internet get 100,000 'hits'. Has that made him feel more important?
"Joran wants to live a normal live as a student. But the case has had a huge impact on him. In different ways. The normal conflicts you have as parents with an adolescent of 17 are mixed with what has happened. We would think it's good if he would take a year off to do some volunteer work in Africa. Then he can really live an anonymous life. As many other young people, he doesn't know what real poverty is. He can discover that there.
What hurts is the character murder on Joran. All teenager secrets are blown out of proportion and a certain image has been made. But in general he's doing pretty well. He's unbelievably strong. He continued with his studies and built a new social life. He's has been supported incredibly well at the school in Arnhem. At that school there are people that weren't influenced by the media and without a doubt gave Joran a chance. That's showing character to me. On the first day Joran told his story in the class. One they tried to get him in the Netherlands. That was his biggest fear, that mentally unstable people who got carried away with the media would attack him. Fortunately it ended with a bit of pushing & pulling."
And the father, is he capable of regaining his life again on Aruba?
"Before this happened I was in the middle of a change. In 2004-2005 I worked I Den Bosch as a judge in training concerning civil cases. I've worked very hard & learned a lot there, but in the end I didn't feel ready for that function. I've been with a small lawyer's office for a year now. I feel at home there. As a lawyer you're often the lifeline for people and that's something that appeals to me, I know something about that now. I mainly do management cases & intermediate, but also criminal & civil cases. In the meantime I've seen every aspect in the judicial world. Government, LE, judge and also suspect. Because of that completely ridiculous behaviour of the LE I've had some anxiety problems. Like: what if those idiots will arrest me, Anita or one of the kids again?"
The future is on Aruba, in spite of everything?
"We feel connected with Aruba. We immediately tried to pick up our own lives & let it not confuse us. Until now we succeeded pretty well. A few times I had to restrain an annoying American from us on the beach. A lot of Aruban people support us. Lots of Arubans live very pure, have a lot of wisdom of life & certainly don't get themselves distracted by the media. Aruba is a community with a huge feeling of solidarity. In that way the negativity that is being poured on you becomes the seed again fo
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| all10suspects
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:23 am |
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That won't bring their daughter back.
Paul said that because he knows. How can one say that for sure? JMO!
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| billybob
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:29 am |
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| dugo wrote: |
Not meant as a joke, Joran is the casino regular, not Paul. |
we have been down this road so many times -- Paul did not like gambling at all and was not a regular - he just went so Joran could share what he liked about the poker tourney.
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| all10suspects
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:33 am |
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| billybob wrote: |
we have been down this road so many times -- Paul did not like gambling at all and was not a regular - he just went so Joran could share what he liked about the poker tourney. |
How could Joran pay his casino and C&C tab? Was he that good at gambling and Paul and ANita allowed it since he had no job?
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| billybob
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:02 am |
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| all10suspects wrote: |
How could Joran pay his casino and C&C tab? Was he that good at gambling and Paul and ANita allowed it since he had no job? |
I suppose they gave him spending money -- maybe he was doing better at gambling back then when the stakes were lower. why does it matter -- will the answer find Natalee?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:04 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Paulus did not know his son was a minor? 
or did Paulus not know it was against the law for minors? 
He was a lawyer or?  |
Paul knows that Joran does not break any law by going into the casino at 17
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| all10suspects
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:18 am |
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| billybob wrote: |
I suppose they gave him spending money -- maybe he was doing better at gambling back then when the stakes were lower. why does it matter -- will the answer find Natalee? |
So Paul and Anita allowed this type of behavior. I guess Paul and ANita allowed Joran to go drinking. Wonder if they knew he had a VIP pass to C&C? What else did Paul and ANita allowed Joran to do? If Joran thinks he can do anything that what would happen if Natalee lead Joran on
with jello shots at C&C but then said no to more sex later on? How do you think Joran would react? We know he had to go home to watch porn movies and take care of himself but how would he react towards Natalee
for teasing him?
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:23 am |
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| all10suspects wrote: |
So Paul and Anita allowed this type of behavior. I guess Paul and ANita allowed Joran to go drinking. Wonder if they knew he had a VIP pass to C&C? What else did Paul and ANita allowed Joran to do? If Joran thinks he can do anything that what would happen if Natalee lead Joran on
with jello shots at C&C but then said no to more sex later on? How do you think Joran would react? We know he had to go home to watch porn movies and take care of himself but how would he react towards Natalee
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I would whack her to death with my shoes and then dump her in the ocean.. Pretty standard, bloody cockteases thinking they can get away with it.. NOT!
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| AlwaysL8
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:00 am |
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| GBMW wrote: | According to Paul it was his own choice....LOL.
http://www.bndestem.nl/weekend/article1121755.ece
Holloway nightmare of Van der Sloot
The prosecution here had a tunnel vision and became totally frustrated. How easily Joran was slandered! The ease in which police members said things out of nowhere! Police chief Dompig who's saying: 'Those boys are as guilty as hell'. Words that are eagerly picked up on by the media. Friends of Joran were arrested because they were friends of Joran. Especially that hurt me a lot. In the beginning they didn't question Joran enough, only a few times. If the police had pulled through then, Joran would have told the real story a lot sooner.
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The fact that Dompig made this statement has been denied over and over again. No denying it now...the honorable mr. vds has verified it.
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| dugo
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| AlwaysL8 wrote: |
The fact that Dompig made this statement has been denied over and over again. No denying it now...the honorable mr. vds has verified it. |
 .. the exact quote is "Yes" .. funny how easy it is to put words in someone's mouth. I forgot who asked the question, //do you think these boys are guilty as hell//... babawaba maybe?
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| billybob
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| all10suspects wrote: |
So Paul and Anita allowed this type of behavior. I guess Paul and ANita allowed Joran to go drinking. Wonder if they knew he had a VIP pass to C&C? What else did Paul and ANita allowed Joran to do? If Joran thinks he can do anything that what would happen if Natalee lead Joran on
with jello shots at C&C but then said no to more sex later on? How do you think Joran would react? We know he had to go home to watch porn movies and take care of himself but how would he react towards Natalee
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allowed what - drinking in Aruba ... he was of age! VIP pass meant he got in if there was a line - read glenda's post from a few weeks ago. Jello shots do not lead to sex always do they - so there is no relevence to anything except that a girl wanted him to lick her navel after knowing him 5 minutes???? Now the porn ... oh my shameful a 17 year old male watched porn - shame on him - no 17 year old males ever do that!
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| liesbeth
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| GEL
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I thought the law in Aruba was 18 to gamble and drink hard liquor? Have they changed the laws again to suit the VDS's?
I still have not seen any proof of a jello shot either, except Joran's words.
Is there any other proof out there about the jello shot?
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