"31 days 2B explained in 1st min. of opening - Baez

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Postby dugo » Tue May 24, 2011 4:45 pm

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I had on headset and I still didn't pick up everything. I do know that Baez kept badgering when George did not answer like he wanted him to and also that Baez did not introduce evidence before asking questions. I did not think that Baez did a good job at all and that Judge Perry will not put up with any of Baez's antics.


Oh yes, and he provided way too much obvious opportunity to be interrupted.

I couldn't follow at all what the problem was with questions about the duct tape and gas canisters though. About all that came through was some question formed around a deliberate misinterpretation about what George said prior (don't know about no ducttape, or something like that). It would normally be an introduction to a line of questions and now stuck out like a sore thumb.
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Postby dugo » Tue May 24, 2011 4:57 pm

I mean .. the prosecution tries to bring it that duct tape was the murder weapon in a premeditated murder as if they have cold hard evidence when and under what circumstances it was applied and they shoot down a lawyer asking questions about said tape. All I could make out was pros saying something like `scope' .. how is the tape out of scope here .. Doesn't make much sense to a lay and if it does in a legal sense, why does pros make such a big deal about it if they are going to prove Casey stuck it on Caylees mouth to kill her. It would make me, from the pov of a jury wonder about the amount of tunnel vision within the prosecution, no matter what the reason to sustain the objections.
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Postby CSI » Tue May 24, 2011 5:41 pm

Will George and Cindy end up testifying against Casey? Their attny just released a statement saying that they are terribly upset over Baez's allegations, etc.
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Postby CherokeeKid » Tue May 24, 2011 6:09 pm

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Oh yes, and he provided way too much obvious opportunity to be interrupted.

I couldn't follow at all what the problem was with questions about the duct tape and gas canisters though. About all that came through was some question formed around a deliberate misinterpretation about what George said prior (don't know about no ducttape, or something like that). It would normally be an introduction to a line of questions and now stuck out like a sore thumb.


The way I understand it:

George Anthony is a strong witness for the prosecution.
Baez made the allegations that George molested Casey starting when she was 8 years old and that's why supposedly Casey is messed up and used to lie and act as if nothing happened, explaining her behavior whey she did not report Caylee missing. Baez also claimed, Caylee was not missing as George found Caylee drowned in the pool and helped to dispose her body.

Baez is also trying to destroy George's credibility which is IMO the main reason for all his very detailed questions and sometimes, IMO trying to put words into George's mouth or misrepresent as Baez was trying to cut George off when George wanted to give an explanation to Baez's question but Baez only wanted to hear a yes or no answer, the judge did not allow it.

At one point early in the investigation, George must have said he does not have duct tape (I cannot remember details) and Baez asked him now if there was duct tape and George said, he had lots of tapes at his home. George probably didn't know what duct tape would be found on Caylee's remains and Baez asked if George had put some duct tape on some gas canisters. This questions was sustained. Baez then asked if George used duct tape to put up flyers when Caylee was missing, this question was also sustained.

Baez asked if George could remember which clothes Caylee was wearing when he saw her the last time she was alive, June 16 2008. George said Yes. Baez went on to question him if the reason he remembered that was because he knew is was the last time he had seen Caylee alive (bringing in his 'she drowned in the pool' theory). Question was sustained. Then Baez went on if he remembered what Cindy was wearing that day, question sustained. Then Baez asked if he remembered what his wife Cindy wear last Tuesday... question sustained.

Finally, the judge had enough, interrupted the proceeding, looked up the uoles in one large folder and read it out loud. I cannot remember the exact wording, maybe it's on again later on.
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Postby LovelyPigeon » Tue May 24, 2011 6:50 pm

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Postby gwen » Tue May 24, 2011 7:36 pm

Linda's statement that "Casey always comes up with a bigger, better and newer lie" says it all.

Baez's statement about Casey going to school after having "her father's penis in her mouth" was the most disgusting!
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Postby Heli » Tue May 24, 2011 7:52 pm

gwen wrote:Linda's statement that "Casey always comes up with a bigger, better and newer lie" says it all.

Baez's statement about Casey going to school after having "her father's penis in her mouth" was the most disgusting!


Things said in opening statements is NOT evidence. So let's see what Jose brings to the witness box that even remotely supports any of the allegations he made in opening.

His opening was one of the biggest WTF moments I've ever been witness to.
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Postby Ber » Tue May 24, 2011 8:01 pm

If Baez coerced Casey in to the abuse defense because they had no other way to go, do you think that George and Lee would sue him for Slander?
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Postby LovelyPigeon » Tue May 24, 2011 8:06 pm

dugo wrote:I mean .. the prosecution tries to bring it that duct tape was the murder weapon in a premeditated murder as if they have cold hard evidence when and under what circumstances it was applied and they shoot down a lawyer asking questions about said tape. All I could make out was pros saying something like `scope' .. how is the tape out of scope here .. Doesn't make much sense to a lay and if it does in a legal sense, why does pros make such a big deal about it if they are going to prove Casey stuck it on Caylees mouth to kill her. It would make me, from the pov of a jury wonder about the amount of tunnel vision within the prosecution, no matter what the reason to sustain the objections.


I believe it was all a matter of legal procedure.

Baez tried to question George about things that have not been brought into evidence. Baez made some claims/statements during his opening, but none of that is evidence. He can't question the prosecution's witness beyond the scope of what the prosecution asked the witness.

Baez appears to be d-u-m-b about trial procedures.
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Postby LovelyPigeon » Tue May 24, 2011 8:08 pm

Ber wrote:If Baez coerced Casey in to the abuse defense because they had no other way to go, do you think that George and Lee would sue him for Slander?


I don't think there's a way to do that, since lawyer/client discussions are legally private.

I think Casey is the one who sold Baez on the abuse excuse, and Baez mined whatever he could from various statements, letters, depositions, and circumstances during the past 3 years.
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Postby Ber » Tue May 24, 2011 8:11 pm

LovelyPigeon wrote:
I don't think there's a way to do that, since lawyer/client discussions are legally private.

I think Casey is the one who sold Baez on the abuse excuse, and Baez mined whatever he could from various statements, letters, depositions, and circumstances during the past 3 years.


I agree but I am sure there was some coersion on Baez's part.
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Postby Ber » Tue May 24, 2011 8:12 pm

I believe Baez when he said Caylee was never missing...Casey knew where she was the entire time...
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Postby Isanah » Wed May 25, 2011 3:38 am

gwen wrote:Linda's statement that "Casey always comes up with a bigger, better and newer lie" says it all.

Baez's statement about Casey going to school after having "her father's penis in her mouth" was the most disgusting!




Baez said that???!!!!! WTF? :shock:
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Postby Isanah » Wed May 25, 2011 3:39 am

gwen wrote:Linda's statement that "Casey always comes up with a bigger, better and newer lie" says it all.

Baez's statement about Casey going to school after having "her father's penis in her mouth" was the most disgusting!




Baez said that???!!!!! WTF? :shock:
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Postby Eliza » Wed May 25, 2011 4:12 am

I've observed a lot of trials but never saw a judge look up something in a "book" and read the answer.

I don't know who is more lost. The judge or Beaz.

Baez and his client are the scum of the earth.

This trial will make the OJ trial look tame and just.

Fry that witch. Better yet, give her life in a cell block and let the other convict mothers have their way with her for killing Lil Caylee.
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Postby Ber » Wed May 25, 2011 6:14 am

Isanah wrote:


Baez said that???!!!!! WTF? :shock:


yes, and he referenced the statemenet more than once...it was so sick!
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Postby wildroses » Wed May 25, 2011 7:59 am

LovelyPigeon wrote:
I believe it was all a matter of legal procedure.

Baez tried to question George about things that have not been brought into evidence. Baez made some claims/statements during his opening, but none of that is evidence. He can't question the prosecution's witness beyond the scope of what the prosecution asked the witness.

Baez appears to be d-u-m-b about trial procedures.


:lol: :lol: "appears"???

I think he really is dumb about procedures, and not just trial procedures. From what little I have seen in hearings, Judge Perry had to continually school him.
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Postby Ber » Wed May 25, 2011 10:27 am

Can someone please give Baez the definition of and cite an example for the term "relevance." ....
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Postby gwen » Wed May 25, 2011 11:51 am

RAW VIDEO: Baez Lashes Out As Attorneys Arrive At Courthouse (explicit)

Casey Anthony's attorneys, Jose Baez and Cheney Mason, arrived at the Orange County Courthouse on Wednesday. (05/25/11)


http://www.wftv.com/video/28018147/index.html
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Postby gwen » Wed May 25, 2011 11:58 am

Baez To Media Crews: What The?
Casey's Lead Attorney Raises Voice


Read more: http://www.wesh.com/video/28018643/deta ... z1NNt57zz7
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Postby CSI » Wed May 25, 2011 1:59 pm

I wonder where everyone is? I thought the board would be flying since the trial started.
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Postby Pronkjewail » Wed May 25, 2011 2:12 pm

CSI wrote:I wonder where everyone is? I thought the board would be flying since the trial started.


Im still here, but Im doing my best to not give everyone the idea that Im glued to my computer! :lol: Which i secretely am. :oops:
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Postby CherokeeKid » Wed May 25, 2011 2:15 pm

CSI wrote:I wonder where everyone is? I thought the board would be flying since the trial started.


I thought the same. Where is Hannie? I miss her.
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Postby wildroses » Wed May 25, 2011 3:42 pm

Hmmm, there have been more than a couple of times I thought Mason might be in the early stage of some form of dementia; however, listening to Baez's first questions to Tony Lazzaro, I think Baez has early onset dementia
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Postby Heli » Wed May 25, 2011 9:21 pm

Eliza wrote:I've observed a lot of trials but never saw a judge look up something in a "book" and read the answer.

I don't know who is more lost. The judge or Beaz.

Baez and his client are the scum of the earth.

This trial will make the OJ trial look tame and just.

Fry that witch. Better yet, give her life in a cell block and let the other convict mothers have their way with her for killing Lil Caylee.


Judges cannot be expected to know every procedural rule and even the most experienced and learned judges refer to "books" in order to refresh their memories and make a ruling in keeping with the precise wording of a rule or the law. "may" or "shall" can be critical ...

I see very senior judges doing this on a regular basis.
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