Defence dogging on the dog evidence

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Defence dogging on the dog evidence

Postby Heli » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:07 pm

For all those who bash and discredit tracking, cadaver, drug and other trained dogs, please read the excerpt of a transcript from a criminal matter I was recently the reporter on.

A. Our dogs are trained to locate articles that have fresh human scent on them and indicate to these articles and their degree of indication is—they indicate stronger for articles that are extremely fresh.

Q. And in terms of the human scent that you were looking for—the dog was looking for I should say, what was that or whose scent was that?

A. There’s no way for the dog to tell me whose scent it is but the dog does look for anything that carries really fresh human scent and anything that would have—if the handler of the article was under the influence of anything or if they had a high level of adrenaline or fear, that all transfers into scent that would therefore make the dog indicate even stronger on an article.

Q. How does the dog actually indicate?

A. Depending on his level of interest in the article, he will either indicate by nosing the article or in some circumstances will grab at it, will pick the article up in his mouth.

Q. Where did your search take you?

A. We started our search along the front of the business and then we worked our way down to the corner of Queen and Duke and we checked each corner, crossing over. The last corner I checked was the parkette on the—there’s a little parkette, it’s like a small park on the southwest corner of Duke and Queen. Prior to this the canine showed no indication of property on the other street corners I checked. When we entered into the parkette, my canine became very interested upon entering the parkette and brought me directly to a park bench beside a garbage can in the middle of the park.

At this point, my canine reached underneath the bench, far under the bench which backs onto a bush and he pulled out the green and black backpack that was described as being missing by the complainant.


This track was undertaken after a break and enter where two laptops were stolen along with the backpack. It was 4:30 a.m. The officer and her dog recovered all of the stolen property in the manner above. Now somebody tell me dogs are unreliable and their "evidence" shouldn't be accepted as valid before a court. I'd trust Gerus and Bones before I'd trust Casey, Jose, Cheney, Dottie. :wink:
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Postby Heli » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:05 pm

Who do you trust? Gerus and Bones or any tracking or cadaver dog or Casey Anthony?

How about Jose and Cheney who would have us believe that the stink in Casey's trunk was from trash?

It's a real corker that 12 jurors believed Jose and Cheney and rejected everyone and everything else. :(
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Postby suraja » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:29 pm

I can't fault the jurors. They obviously lack intelligence and common sense, they used the brain that they were born with and did not understand and could not follow simple instructions, like the prosecution did not have to prove when, where and how the death occurred, just that it did.

Unfortunately one can't go to the nearest pharmacy and buy a functioning brain. I hope for their sake that their names will never be revealed.

Some of them supposedly have master's degrees. Well that doesn't mean a hill of beans.

I have an acquaintance that collects degrees; he is an attorney, CPA, master's degree in business, several Bachelors degrees and can't apply any of his knowledge to real life. He works as an accountant/bookkeeper for a real estate company.
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Postby LiveNLearn » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:56 am

Thanks for posting this personal info Heli ~ I without a shadow of a doubt would trust the instincts of the dogs over any of the people involved in this, hands down.

I hope that every jury member has had the opportunity now that we are a few weeks out from the end of the trial, to do some further investigation into this.
I hope that they have read every released document, and watched the trial from start to finish to see how Ms. Anthony acted for the cameras when they were not in the court room.

And, I hope her strutting, smiling and laughing haunt them for a long time.

The girl is toxic. Everyone that she has had contact with will never be the same.
She is surrounded by evil, and her web along with her defense managed to pull these people in, and they also will suffer the consequences of this.
Isn't it strange how everyone but Casey Anthony will be "touched" by her for years to come.

Even Gerus the dog was soon retired after his work on this case. I think I heard he was hurt on a job soon afterwards.

But, back to the point, you bet - my money would be on the dogs. I've seen amazing things with dogs, from them being trained to be service companion animals, to just having an uncanny ability to "know" that something is wrong.
Some have even detected cancer in people.

Thanks again Heli.
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Postby Heli » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:43 am

Until I was assigned to the matter that I posted an excerpt from above, I did not know about this type of tracking by dogs.

The dog tracks to the freshest scent trail, not a specific scent. Granted, this can only be used shortly after a robbery or break and enter as in the subject case, but the proof is in the pudding and this dog DID find the items stolen from the business premises.

Every time I think about this jury I just shake my head. How could 12 .... 12 people all be so dumb and lacking in common sense and intelligence? Hell, they couldn't even follow the most basic point of law that states a cause and time of death is not required to be proved nor is a motive. Those were the three things the foreman and Jennifer Ford told us resulted in all the not guilty verdicts. Makes me want to cry that a child murderer got off.
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