48 HOURS Mystery overtime!

[newsseeker]

My two cents, the FBI was so far off in its "profile" of the Baton Rouge serial killer that people like us on a board had a more accurate suspicion prior to the guy's arrest and conviction...i.e. FBI: white, reality, black; Fbi: well-educated, reality, not hardly. I don't have much faith in profiling anymore.

edited one time to correct typos.

[Wolf®]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

[Narcissist71]

My two cents, the FBI was so far off in its "profile" of the Baton Rouge serial killer that people like us on a board had a more accurate profile prior to the guys arrest an conviction...i.e. FBI: white, reality, black; Fbi: well-educated, reality, not hardly. I don't have much faith in profiling anymore.

Let's not forget about the DC snipers as well.

And calling someone a sociopath is one of those trigger words........that it seems everyone wants to call a "suspect".

They used it against Dr. Lee as well.......though he was not a Chinese Spy.

But I found the CBS.com interview interesting........I would love to know what Dompig knows......He is insistent as to Joran and the K2 Bros being involved in the disappearance, whether it be murder or disposing of the body in some way.

[Narcissist71]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

Have to agree with you there. The 3 should be suspects.....or POI......

and I think there is much posturing going on by both sides.

[Cat]

I heard Dompig state on the program that the crime was not murder.

[Siddalee]

I am 100% sure that you would not return to shore!!! I don't care if the float dummy swam back to shore, Dr. Croes KNOWS from personal experience that a body would not return to shore!

Hm-m-m, I used to know a Ruben Croes in Aruba who worked in the e.r. at the hospital, wonder if he became a doctor? Do you know, Glenda? He did look familiar.

[openminded mom]

Have any of you watched at the CBS website the video "Dompig on 48 hours? In it he says that the family had an aire of superiority. He thenvery subtely alludes that they think that Aruba is corrupt based on their own history where the police and justice system were corrupt. Clearly a reference to AL racist past. He stressed that they have rules, a justice sytem and that these rules needed to be followed.

I think this whole Aruba corruption thing stems from a bunch of prima donnas who are used to running the show in "the kingdom of Mountain Brook" Clearly in the statements from the yearbook which was shown in another thread point to a group of people who feel a strong sense of entitlement and better than anyone else.

This angers me to no end. I don't know who the hell that bitch Beth Twitty and that bully of a husband Jug think they are, They are no better than anyone else. Nor are all the rest of assholes in the Kingdom of Mountainbrook!!! Who the hell do these people think they are? As an American they are downright an emabrrassment. How can they behave in this manner when they are a GUEST in another country? I'm sorry that natalee is missing, but their damn arrogance is just an impediment, when the hell are they going to figure it out??? How dumb can they be??? I feel sorry for Dave and Robin because they have to deal with the likes of them, and the Twits actions hurt thequest for answers that everyone wants.

OK rant over. I feel better.

[Elaine S]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

You're right Wolf, everybody's veracity is at question here, but Dompig's remark of Joran only changing his statment 3 times, BUT changing "little" things 25 times seemed quite telling. And... I have to wonder how many other "little" things changed in Joran's interviews with the mass media when compared to the statements he gave ALE. Every now and then when Mr. Dompig smiled, he reminded me of the cat who swallowed the canary... which again led me to believe he knows a whole lot more!

[Narcissist71]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

You're right Wolf, everybody's veracity is at question here, but Dompig's remark of Joran only changing his statment 3 times, BUT changing "little" things 25 times seemed quite telling. And... I have to wonder how many other "little" things changed in Joran's interviews with the mass media when compared to the statements he gave ALE. Every now and then when Mr. Dompig smiled, he reminded me of the cat who swallowed the canary... which again led me to believe he knows a whole lot more!

Problem is that if there was no variation in his story.......not the 3 big changes....but the little changes.....people would use that as evidence that it was a designed story....as most people have variations when telling the truth....and telling the exact same story with no variations is indication of a lie.

ETA.....basically it's always a no-win situation.....as they will use the variations as evidence of guilt, and if no variations evidence of guilt.

[Maybelline]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

You're right Wolf, everybody's veracity is at question here, but Dompig's remark of Joran only changing his statment 3 times, BUT changing "little" things 25 times seemed quite telling. And... I have to wonder how many other "little" things changed in Joran's interviews with the mass media when compared to the statements he gave ALE. Every now and then when Mr. Dompig smiled, he reminded me of the cat who swallowed the canary... which again led me to believe he knows a whole lot more!

Changing little details in a story is not unusual even when a person is telling the truth. It's almost impossible to tell the same story with every little detail exactly the same umpteen dozen times for almost 3 months. It would be more unbelieveable if every little detail in the story remained exactly the same each time.

Edited for typo.

[Maybelline]

Sounds like we think alike Narcissist.

[Narcissist71]

Right on Maybelline.

[Elaine S]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

You're right Wolf, everybody's veracity is at question here, but Dompig's remark of Joran only changing his statment 3 times, BUT changing "little" things 25 times seemed quite telling. And... I have to wonder how many other "little" things changed in Joran's interviews with the mass media when compared to the statements he gave ALE. Every now and then when Mr. Dompig smiled, he reminded me of the cat who swallowed the canary... which again led me to believe he knows a whole lot more!

Problem is that if there was no variation in his story.......not the 3 big changes....but the little changes.....people would use that as evidence that it was a designed story....as most people have variations when telling the truth....and telling the exact same story with no variations is indication of a lie.

ETA.....basically it's always a no-win situation.....as they will use the variations as evidence of guilt, and if no variations evidence of guilt.

I would have to think that for Dompig to have an exact number of the little ones, for one reason or another, it was a red flag. I've always said that truth only has one version, and I think that if I were being held as a suspect in murder, and being totally honest, I'd sure as hell tell the same story every time I told it. Perhaps I'm being naive.

[kalekona]

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but here's what I took away from the show. Dompig is no dummy... well spoken, and very believable. He never veered away from the fact that he believes J2K, and PVD have knowledge of what happened, and that perhaps others are involved. He even said that the FBI thought Joran to be a sociopath... He made some very strong statements that he's inclined to believe these 4 are not without guilt in Natalee's disappearance. I think he did a great job in showing that ALE is not stupid, but in doing that, he seems to continue to point to the same people... and, obviously he knows a lot more than any of us. If I sat on the fence before, I'm more comfortable sitting there now.

I, too, saw the shaking of the head by one of the girls when asked if Natalee would have ever gotten into a car with strangers...

It's pretty popular with me....I dont want the job of picking the guilty party in this case...I havent ran across anyone involved in this case so far that I would comfortably rule out at this time...

Personally I think both sides are trying to look better than they really are....neither side has come close to telling the entire truth....( by sides...I mean Holloway/Twitty's vs VDS/Kalpoes)

You're right Wolf, everybody's veracity is at question here, but Dompig's remark of Joran only changing his statment 3 times, BUT changing "little" things 25 times seemed quite telling. And... I have to wonder how many other "little" things changed in Joran's interviews with the mass media when compared to the statements he gave ALE. Every now and then when Mr. Dompig smiled, he reminded me of the cat who swallowed the canary... which again led me to believe he knows a whole lot more!

Problem is that if there was no variation in his story.......not the 3 big changes....but the little changes.....people would use that as evidence that it was a designed story....as most people have variations when telling the truth....and telling the exact same story with no variations is indication of a lie.

ETA.....basically it's always a no-win situation.....as they will use the variations as evidence of guilt, and if no variations evidence of guilt.

I would have to think that for Dompig to have an exact number of the little ones, for one reason or another, it was a red flag. I've always said that truth only has one version, and I think that if I were being held as a suspect in murder, and being totally honest, I'd sure as hell tell the same story every time I told it. Perhaps I'm being naive.

if your story was a generalized one with little detail... such as i went to the bar, we left, i went home etc.. sure it would remain unchanged but once you get into detail any tiny thing your asked or you remember that was not in the original statement is a variation and the greater detail the more you would expect it to change.
if joran didn't say they did the 151 shots in the first statement once he does that is a change in his story, but it is not a lie..

the truth doesn't change but details can.

[skepticynic]

Beth cried. Is the show over?

I saw that. First thing I thought of was those are tears of defeat, not grief. She doesn't cry when asked questions about Natalee...She only tears up on any interview when asked if she thinks they'll ever get answers.

Either that or the BMW dealer called and did not have her Love Bowl convertible in red....(ok I feel mean today...she never cried for Natalee.)

[Spuds]

I'd more suspicious of someone who told the story the same way every time. That is a story that is practiced. No one tells the story the same way each and every time it's told. It's a sure bet that if they do, they are not telling the truth.

[kalekona]

I'd more suspicious of someone who told the story the same way every time. That is a story that is practiced. No one tells the story the same way each and every time it's told. It's a sure bet that if they do, they are not telling the truth.

right and you said it much more concise than i did. lol

[Linny1125]

It would all be so simple if we could climb behind the eyes of every single person in this case,and see every minute detail from each of those perspectives.

[rohn]

Kind of disappointing in some respects.

Would have kind of like to have heard a few "why" questions in there. Like "why do you think Paulus is not telling us all that he knows" "Why do you think Joran was involved" "Why is JOran still the prime suspect" Dompig might have declined to answer, but maybe not. An

And when the hell is someone going to ask what the feck happened on the weekend of June 10 - 12????

Don't know what to make of the guy. Last night it was reported that the dune search was being put off until sometime in April and that just seems incomprehensible to me. He comes across well as does Joran, but...

O/T That sitcom that was on before it was really, really, really un-funny. It stank.

I was glad to learn of the involvement of yet another Croes in the case, however: Charles Croes, Steve Croes, Rudy Croes, Marianne Croes now this guy, then Grizelda Croes, Hamish Croes and Ahmed Croes.

[Heli]

Kind of disappointing in some respects.

Would have kind of like to have heard a few "why" questions in there. Like "why do you think Paulus is not telling us all that he knows" "Why do you think Joran was involved" "Why is JOran still the prime suspect" Dompig might have declined to answer, but maybe not. An

And when the hell is someone going to ask what the feck happened on the weekend of June 10 - 12????

Don't know what to make of the guy. Last night it was reported that the dune search was being put off until sometime in April and that just seems incomprehensible to me. He comes across well as does Joran, but...

O/T That sitcom that was on before it was really, really, really un-funny. It stank.

I was glad to learn of the involvement of yet another Croes in the case, however: Charles Croes, Steve Croes, Rudy Croes, Marianne Croes now this guy, then Grizelda Croes, Hamish Croes and Ahmed Croes.

Shame on you, you forgot Jacques Croes

[Narcissist71]

Sorry I was googling age progression/regression software......kind of expensive.

Elaine......

I think Kalekona, and Spuds make good points.....

I understand on the surface everyone thinks well I'd do this or that......but as Kalekona makes the point......each detail.....usually inserted later might change the story a little bit.....was the original story a lie because one forgot a small detail?

Since I don't know what the 25 things are.....I can only generalize.......knowing the 25 little changes might change my opinion of course......but when they generalize, I can only answer in the same manner.

[Narcissist71]

I'd more suspicious of someone who told the story the same way every time. That is a story that is practiced. No one tells the story the same way each and every time it's told. It's a sure bet that if they do, they are not telling the truth.

right and you said it much more concise than i did. lol

I liked your post.....as you clearly made your case......it was both clear and concise.



Though I agree with Spuds as well.

[kalekona]

I'd more suspicious of someone who told the story the same way every time. That is a story that is practiced. No one tells the story the same way each and every time it's told. It's a sure bet that if they do, they are not telling the truth.

right and you said it much more concise than i did. lol

I liked your post.....as you clearly made your case......it was both clear and concise.



Though I agree with Spuds as well.

thank you..

[Elaine S]

Sorry I was googling age progression/regression software......kind of expensive.

Elaine......

I think Kalekona, and Spuds make good points.....

I understand on the surface everyone thinks well I'd do this or that......but as Kalekona makes the point......each detail.....usually inserted later might change the story a little bit.....was the original story a lie because one forgot a small detail?

Since I don't know what the 25 things are.....I can only generalize.......knowing the 25 little changes might change my opinion of course......but when they generalize, I can only answer in the same manner.

I don't disagree with you... it just seemed strange that Dompig threw those 25 little things in the mix. Must have meant something..

[Narcissist71]

Sorry I was googling age progression/regression software......kind of expensive.

Elaine......

I think Kalekona, and Spuds make good points.....

I understand on the surface everyone thinks well I'd do this or that......but as Kalekona makes the point......each detail.....usually inserted later might change the story a little bit.....was the original story a lie because one forgot a small detail?

Since I don't know what the 25 things are.....I can only generalize.......knowing the 25 little changes might change my opinion of course......but when they generalize, I can only answer in the same manner.

I don't disagree with you... it just seemed strange that Dompig threw those 25 little things in the mix. Must have meant something..

Quite possible.......though when I heard him talk.....I thought he made more of the 3 big changes.......and mention the 25 little ones......kind of downplaying them........

since the media here made such a big deal about them.

But that is only my opinion.

ETA....you know the shows here, don't say 25 little variations.......they lump them all together......as these twenty some odd lies to investigators.