Father says daughter raped with broomhandle

[victims cry]

The father of the accuser yesterday said that she told him she was raped with a broom handle.

Why wasnt it in the search warrant?

However 2nd dancer says argument at party and one of the players saying a player grabbed a broomstick and threatened to sexually assault the 2 with it.

Several players confirm this argument to a radio station on condition of anonymity

[frrp]

so, there is a broom involved .strange the cops did not find the broom ,but then again maybe none mention the broom till after they had searched the first time . cops was not looking for a broom.
now if they find the broom will her DNA still be on it?

[Nena]

first thing I thought of when I heard this.. was.. yes.. the guys made have made some disgusting comment about broom .. but I dont think she was actually raped with one... Im thinking maybe its a last ditch effort on the accusers part to explain away the lack of DNA. She surely was aware that the broom statement had publically been discussed...

IF a broom had been used to commit a rape.. surely she would have mentioned this to the nurse/doctor/police at the hospital??? and woudlnt the rape kit results be able to pick up signs of wood or plastic or whatever the broom was made of ?

I know her father said she hadnt told him of the broom before, because she was embarrassed.. and while I could see that as plausible.. it doesnt negate why she would NOt have told the nurse/doctor examining her.
Obviously this would have been of utmost importance .. and would have instigated a search warrant for the broom.. which apparently no broom was listed on the warrant.

[victims cry]

so, there is a broom involved .strange the cops did not find the broom ,but then again maybe none mention the broom till after they had searched the first time . cops was not looking for a broom.
now if they find the broom will her DNA still be on it?

Well to be fair, we dont know if there was or wasn't. It was the father saying the accuser told him this.

What i find a little odd, is that there was the threat of sexual assault with one in the argument.

Of course this could be taken both ways. Did this give the boys the idea, or did it give Jane Doe the idea for the rape accusation.

And why wouldnt she have mentioned it to the cops so they could put it in the search warrant?

Then again..is the father telling the truth

[Nena]

as far as the father goes.. I think he believes what he's been saying... as to whether he's been told the truth.. I dont know.. but I dont think the father is intentionally lying.. he seems a trusting decent fellow...
I feel really badly for him....

[Sora15]

I have no doubt that the father believes what he is saying, that does not mitigate the fact that the police did not list a broom on the list of items to be taken on the search warrant, and I am sure if they were told that a broom was used to assault her then they would have wanted to look for the broom test it for her dna to confirm the story and check the distal end of it for fingerprints and possibly epithelials

I remember hearing the DA Nifong saying that the dna was going to incriminate the guilty and exculpate the innocent, and lo and behold, none of it matches any of the Duke Lacrosse players, and now all of a sudden the dna doesn't matter

Who does that sound like?

Warrant for the party house

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0329061duke1.html

Warrant for the dorm of Mcfayden


No mention of a broom being looked for.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke5.html

[Sami]

I heard about the broom a long time ago, I think. It was mentioned for awhile, then dropped, then resumed again yesterday.

At the very beginning, I heard that the boys had wanted the dancers to simulate a sex act with the broomstick.

Then, I heard it mentioned on one or more shows that she had been vaginally, orally, and anally raped -- and sodomized with a broomstick.
That was told by the District Attorney himself, quite early on.

I have also heard that she was not in a coherent state, either in the car right after the attack (when the police were called by the parking lot security officer) or even later in the hospital. That's why she was thought to be totally drunk and not believed.

Also, a TH 'doctor' said that if she were slipped a drug, she might not have been coherent or even thinking rationally for some time after the attack, which could by why it took her so long to tell what had happened and who did it.

I agree with VC, though, I don't have any idea who is telling the truth -- BUT I do find it strange that by the time the police arrived at the house, ALL the boys were gone! That tells me they must have known something bad had occurred, and that there must have been some truth to it or they wouldn't have run like scared rabbits.

[skepticynic]

I heard about the broom a long time ago, I think. It was mentioned for awhile, then dropped, then resumed again yesterday.

At the very beginning, I heard that the boys had wanted the dancers to simulate a sex act with the broomstick.

Then, I heard it mentioned on one or more shows that she had been vaginally, orally, and anally raped -- and sodomized with a broomstick.
That was told by the District Attorney himself, quite early on.

I have also heard that she was not in a coherent state, either in the car right after the attack (when the police were called by the parking lot security officer) or even later in the hospital. That's why she was thought to be totally drunk and not believed.

Also, a TH 'doctor' said that if she were slipped a drug, she might not have been coherent or even thinking rationally for some time after the attack, which could by why it took her so long to tell what had happened and who did it.

I agree with VC, though, I don't have any idea who is telling the truth -- BUT I do find it strange that by the time the police arrived at the house, ALL the boys were gone! That tells me they must have known something bad had occurred, and that there must have been some truth to it or they wouldn't have run like scared rabbits.

I heard about the broom rape on blogs but no media sources. I did hear that the boys asked if they had "toys" with them (after she showed up a half hour late, then tried to get out of the show after ten minutes of dancing) and when they did not, one offered up a broomstick to act out on. At no point was there a threat. Now this was also coming from the second stripper, who has since changed her story and tried to hire a PR firm. This stripper also started out agreeing with the boys about her condition upon arrival at the party, only to change it.

The father may be an honest and decent man, but since his daughter lied about her occupation for the past four years how would he know if she was being honest now? Why the sudden change in story?

The timeframe and how the ID was done is what is killing me. One of the "rapists" made EIGHT phone calls while attacking her, if the timeline is to be believed. The other was there a few minutes and then hopped into a cab, went to an ATM, had food, and swiped a card key to his dorm...all while allegedly raping this woman. The lineup was a composite of the lacrosse team. So much for a fair lineup.

I don't know who is telling the truth. I can only go by photographic evidence, how many times stories are changing, the timeframe, and how the two were picked by the accuser.

Just for the record...I was drugged and gang raped 20 years ago and remember very little about anything except the point where I gained lucidity, and my condition afterwards. Even long afterwards, I could not ID most of the men, or exactly what happened. So if this woman is lying because the guys did not want to pay 800 bucks for a ten minute dance, I will be more than pissed off.

[Sami]

Skepticynic, how horrible for you!!!! I am SO sorry you had to endure such a horrible ordeal!!!

Here is what I remember hearing early on: They were dancing and the guys wanted them to simulate sex with the broomstick. They refused and one of the guys started making racial comments. One of the comments made was 'Tell your grandpa thank you for my cotton shirt'.

I also heard today that some of the boys who were at the party have given statements to the effect that the racial comments were made (back and forth), so the girls were also making racial comments, too.

[skepticynic]

Skepticynic, how horrible for you!!!! I am SO sorry you had to endure such a horrible ordeal!!!

Here is what I remember hearing early on: They were dancing and the guys wanted them to simulate sex with the broomstick. They refused and one of the guys started making racial comments. One of the comments made was 'Tell your grandpa thank you for my cotton shirt'.

I also heard today that some of the boys who were at the party have given statements to the effect that the racial comments were made (back and forth), so the girls were also making racial comments, too.

I have heard the exact same thing as you; we must watch the same news and read the same papers

Please don't be sorry; sometimes the most horrible things in life can make one a better and stronger person. The reason I brought this up was because I know firsthand how these drugs affect you and you literally don't remember squat. Nothing "flashes back" because your mind is totally erased. All I remember was how badly I was hurt (which leads me to think I did fight back, though ineffectively) and the last guy. This is why I have doubts about the accuser--my experiences combined with what I read from others make me wonder about the veracity of her story. If she was hit with one of these drugs, she would remember nothing to a point.

[Miss America]

I heard about the broom a long time ago, I think. It was mentioned for awhile, then dropped, then resumed again yesterday.

At the very beginning, I heard that the boys had wanted the dancers to simulate a sex act with the broomstick.

As horrible and unbelievable as it seems, some people voluntarily do weird things to themselves, such as shove broomsticks up their derriere. There are disgusting porn sites about bizarre insertions, a broomstick is almost tame compared to the other things people use. Even if the accuser was drugged and didn't remember what happened at the party, she would have experienced severe pain shortly after being sodomized, unless anal sex was a regular thing for her. And on the topic of drugs, I read somewhere that strippers and prostitutes use drugs while on the job to help them ease the emotional pain that is involved with that line of work. Most strippers and prostitutes hate what they do and hate themselves for doing it. I hope the accuser is lying because I'd hate to think that she really did suffer.

[mgrfin]

Okay, sexual assault with a broom handle is sodomy.

There is no mention of sodomy in the indictment.

There is only rape - so if there is no broom handle, and sodomy is not mentioned, then this case gets thrown out. Am I right?

[skepticynic]

Okay, sexual assault with a broom handle is sodomy.

There is no mention of sodomy in the indictment.

There is only rape - so if there is no broom handle, and sodomy is not mentioned, then this case gets thrown out. Am I right?

Sodomy encompasses anal sex. In some places oral sex is also considered sodomy. Rape with a broom handle is rape by inanimate object, I think. She claimed to be orally, anally and vaginally raped.

Although, I would like to know how one forces a blow job on an unwilling participant when she can shear off your manhood with a jaw clench....

[reddog]

i know i'm sick of hearing th's refer to a broom as a "sex toy".......

[skepticynic]

i know i'm sick of hearing th's refer to a broom as a "sex toy".......

Well, I wonder if that came from that weird blog article where I read that the guys allegedly asked if they had toys with them. From the price they paid, they were expecting a show. When the girls got offended, they allegedly offered up a broom and told them to use it. At this point racial comments were hurled from both sides and the evening was over.

Tough to say at this point, RD; like I said last night every new bit that comes out makes this case weirder and weirder.

[reddog]

i know i'm sick of hearing th's refer to a broom as a "sex toy".......

Well, I wonder if that came from that weird blog article where I read that the guys allegedly asked if they had toys with them. From the price they paid, they were expecting a show. When the girls got offended, they allegedly offered up a broom and told them to use it. At this point racial comments were hurled from both sides and the evening was over.

Tough to say at this point, RD; like I said last night every new bit that comes out makes this case weirder and weirder.

i heard that story on one of the th shows -- greta i think.