Who told Steve Croes the HI story?

[WordsofWisdom]

I'm not sure who the "we" are you are referring to.

Remember - one of the biggest excuses for LE not detaining J2K for as long as it took was that they were waiting for audio/video recording equipment to arrive.

So naturally, all those interviews the PV's were derived from were recorded, no? That would definitely make for easier transcribing into a written PV.

No that is not true.
ALE, like most LE organizations here in the U.S. have a 48 hour waiting period to start an investigation of a missing person. It is COMMON, for some people to overstay their vacation and they do appear later. That was the premise ALE was working on. After they spoke with the boys, they put them under surveilence, also a common tactic used elsewhere. The allegation that they did nothing for 10 days is crap.

In addition, they had 2 minors- different laws apply to them.

OT:
Excuse? or REASON?
Thats all up to who is doing the interpretation, now isn't it? It's like saying someone "ADMITTED", vs. "STATED". it puts a spin on the whole sentence by changing that one word... and it is done here all the time.

[Emily]

beach drop off was a possibility. it counters the complaint that the HI lie cut off a line of inquiry. it clearly did not. meanwhile, elizabeth ann reynolds was chartering a medjet and preparing to pull natalee out of a crackhouse. i don't know anything about when beach searches happened. i know the mb contingent chose to run to the airport rather than go look for natalee.

If Joran originally was prepared to tell the beach story it ruins the idea that the HI drop off lie was all about deflecting away from it out of fear evidence would be found.

[iquitos]

If Joran originally was prepared to tell the beach story it ruins the idea that the HI drop off lie was all about deflecting away from it out of fear evidence would be found.

that is a very astute observation. it was deepak who appears to have gilded the lilly re the guard. but i don't think he described the two who were arrested.

[all10suspects]

that is a very astute observation. it was deepak who appears to have gilded the lilly re the guard. but i don't think he described the two who were arrested.

So if Joran wanted to tell the truth about the beach story right away
and Deepak stuck to the hotel story could that mean thay 2k are more involved than thought? Why would Deepak need a hotel story if all
he did was drop them off at the beach?

[Glenda]

No that is not true.
ALE, like most LE organizations here in the U.S. have a 48 hour waiting period to start an investigation of a missing person. It is COMMON, for some people to overstay their vacation and they do appear later. That was the premise ALE was working on. After they spoke with the boys, they put them under surveilence, also a common tactic used elsewhere. The allegation that they did nothing for 10 days is crap.

In addition, they had 2 minors- different laws apply to them.

OT:
Excuse? or REASON?
Thats all up to who is doing the interpretation, now isn't it? It's like saying someone "ADMITTED", vs. "STATED". it puts a spin on the whole sentence by changing that one word... and it is done here all the time.

ON TOP of that! Beth did not want the boys arrested in the begining, she wanted them followed, so they would lead them to where she was being held against her will. That if they were arrested, Natalee would starve to death.

This is a fact, not my opinion.

[liesbeth]

[iquitos]

ON TOP of that! Beth did not want the boys arrested in the begining, she wanted them followed, so they would lead them to where she was being held against her will. That if they were arrested, Natalee would starve to death.

This is a fact, not my opinion.

kidnapped!

[resigned]

I don't understand what you are trying to say resigned..
IIRC None of the three boys pointing a vinger at John and Jones... They made up A story about A security guard..
Or are you saying it IS a race thing?

Renfro said police arrested the black guards "because the three boys pointed their fingers at these two security guards, and they couldn't leave that out of the loop. There was no reason to believe the boys were lying."

Teen's disappearance a criminal case
Aruba police say three men are 'people of interest'
Sunday, June 5, 2005 Posted: 7:54 AM

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

'It's Changed Everything'

Charles Rafini, the Aruban teen who says he found the underwear and condoms in the brush, as well as duct tape and a string cut from a bikini or halter top, at a location commonly known to locals as a make-out spot, described the underwear he found as pink with flowers on them. He told FOX News on Wednesday that the location of the findings "is not too far" from the Marriott hotel.

When Rafini hand-carried the articles to police, he said, "they told me, 'nice job' ... and they will go figure out what's going on."

When asked how the island nation — heavily dependent on the tourism industry for its livelihood — is different since Holloway's disappearance, which has gained international attention, Rafini said: "It's changed everything. Aruba is doing worse."

But FOX News has learned that the intense search in the area was also prompted by information from one of the three suspects. Tuesday's search was the second for that area.

An FBI spokeswoman also confirmed that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. However, FBI agents are being included in police briefings, and one agent is being allowed to observe interviews with the suspects through a live video feed or through glass.

Arubans have displayed an eagerness to dispel the shadow cast over their home and help out with the investigation. Reporters from Aruban radio station Top 95 launched their own search before police arrived at the Marriott, and said they found a pair of torn pink-and-white polka dot panties and three condoms, two of them used.

One of the journalists, Albert Vrolijk, said they also found some duct tape wrapped around a tree. The reporters handed their findings over to police, who refused to comment.

Tourism Authority Managing Director Myrna Jansen-Feliciano said "the whole beach area is a place where couples go."

"It could be anybody's" panties and condoms, she said.

[hemchi]

What a bunch of crap. If the last people to be with a missing person tell conflicting stories then you question them again, at least as a witness. Van der Straten checking in with Paulus every day does not count.

[resigned]

What a bunch of crap. If the last people to be with a missing person tell conflicting stories then you question them again, at least as a witness. Van der Straten checking in with Paulus every day does not count.

I agree. Another story three years in the making - like throwing spaghetti at a wall.

[iquitos]

and renfroe may have misspoken since in his statement deepak describes a dark security guard who bore little resemblance to the two arrested. surely they were not privy to the real reasons mickey and friend were taken in for questioning.

[hemchi]

and renfroe may have misspoken since in his statement deepak describes a dark security guard who bore little resemblance to the two arrested. surely they were not privy to the real reasons mickey and friend were taken in for questioning.

But here's the thing...why were the police questioning SGs and fisherman and others in the HI area? This location was given to them by J2K...in conflicting statements! So they dig around in there and come up with 2 guys to arrest without even following up with the lying finger-pointers. J2KN were never seen at the beach or the hotel.

[iquitos]

But here's the thing...why were the police questioning SGs and fisherman and others in the HI area? This location was given to them by J2K...in conflicting statements! So they dig around in there and come up with 2 guys to arrest without even following up with the lying finger-pointers. J2KN were never seen at the beach or the hotel.

maybe they had reason think she did go back to the hotel after she was with Joran on the Marriott beach. key cards? cameras?

[liesbeth]

[all10suspects]

maybe they had reason think she did go back to the hotel after she was with Joran on the Marriott beach. key cards? cameras?

key cards were used the time she was with Joran at 1:26am and around 11am. SO it was not Natalee using key cards. The cameras does not show Natalee. With Joran downloading 2 porn movies on the family pc
gave him plenty of time to go back for the body with somebody!

[iquitos]

all10suspects Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:42 pm
Natalee gets back to the hotel at 1:26am to use key swip.
Natalee is seen on video at 2:38am and 3:10am.
Natalee uses key again at 3:22am and 3:26am.

But the 1:26am amd 2:38am does not match what Joran has said.
So is it Natalee all of those times?
If so the question then becomes what happen to Natalee at after 3:26am?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/nhf/member.t ... page15.htm

[iquitos]

Tripmates timeline

Add:3/5/07
SOLVERT RENESKA (security guard) 07/08/2005
On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 00.00, I saw a group of these American students swimming naked in the sea off the Holiday Inn Hotel. I didn't see from direction they came or what they wore to the sea. I saw that this group students at around 02.30, left the sea and I saw that a couple of these students walked to the “Jacuzzi”. I also was a couple others walk to the “Curacao Tower” and that the others to the “Bonaire Tower” walked. I cannot say how many persons were swimming naked because I didn't count them.

(snip)
On the same day around 02.30, I saw that “M” walking with the slim white man from the northern direction to the direction of the “Marriott Hotel” met and with the slim white man stood under a hut. I must note that at this same moment a group of the American students came naked out of the water on the sand and were putting their clothes on.

[all10suspects]

Tripmates timeline

Add:3/5/07
SOLVERT RENESKA (security guard) 07/08/2005
On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 00.00, I saw a group of these American students swimming naked in the sea off the Holiday Inn Hotel. I didn't see from direction they came or what they wore to the sea. I saw that this group students at around 02.30, left the sea and I saw that a couple of these students walked to the “Jacuzzi”. I also was a couple others walk to the “Curacao Tower” and that the others to the “Bonaire Tower” walked. I cannot say how many persons were swimming naked because I didn't count them.

(snip)
On the same day around 02.30, I saw that “M” walking with the slim white man from the northern direction to the direction of the “Marriott Hotel” met and with the slim white man stood under a hut. I must note that at this same moment a group of the American students came naked out of the water on the sand and were putting their clothes on.

Joran claims to have left Natalee on the beach at 2:50am a sleep when
Satish picked him up. So it could not have been Natalee swimming at 2:30am. Could be the rest of the 124 students or at least some of them.

[all10suspects]

all10suspects Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:42 pm
Natalee gets back to the hotel at 1:26am to use key swip.
Natalee is seen on video at 2:38am and 3:10am.
Natalee uses key again at 3:22am and 3:26am.

But the 1:26am amd 2:38am does not match what Joran has said.
So is it Natalee all of those times?
If so the question then becomes what happen to Natalee at after 3:26am?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/nhf/member.t ... page15.htm

Just think if someone did not use the card at 1:26am then you would have a better chance of Natalee using the card at 3:22am and 3:26am.
That 1:26am swipe screws everything up for those that think it was Natalee using her card!

[resigned]

and renfroe may have misspoken since in his statement deepak describes a dark security guard who bore little resemblance to the two arrested. surely they were not privy to the real reasons mickey and friend were taken in for questioning.

"Misspoken."


I think that we are being fed misstatements now. If they weren't privy then, I doubt if they are privy now....the investgation is still open last I read.

[iquitos]

Joran claims to have left Natalee on the beach at 2:50am a sleep when
Satish picked him up. So it could not have been Natalee swimming at 2:30am. Could be the rest of the 124 students or at least some of them.

all times approximate.

[iquitos]

"Misspoken."


I think that we are being fed misstatements now. If they weren't privy then, I doubt if they are privy now....the investgation is still open last I read.

it s all speculation. we only know what we know.

[Glenda]

and renfroe may have misspoken since in his statement deepak describes a dark security guard who bore little resemblance to the two arrested. surely they were not privy to the real reasons mickey and friend were taken in for questioning.

The only information Renfro was privy to was from the Twitty's.

[resigned]

Ruben Trapenburg - "Aruba Government spokesperson"

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

[resigned]

The only information Renfro was privy to was from the Twitty's.

Didn't they stop speaking at some point early on in the case? Yet...I recall Ms. Renfro was still doing interviews on various media outlets..where was that info coming from if the "well had dried up"?