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Postby AC » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:24 pm

It is items like this that I remember.....now, who in the heck was this "police official" and what happened here!

Three Arubans to remain in custody
Conflicting reports over confession in teen's disappearance
Saturday, June 11, 2005
Posted: 8:17 PM EDT (0017 GMT)


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- A judge ruled Saturday to keep in custody three youths arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, a government official said.

The decision allows police and prosecutors eight days to continue their investigation into 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance, the official said.

The judge was flown in from the neighboring island of Curacao, a step not considered unusual in high-profile cases, said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. He explained that government officials want to ensure everything is done properly.

Defense attorneys have come to the defense of the young men, saying they have maintained their innocence.

"My client keeps on saying he is not guilty," said attorney David Kock, who represents 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. He added that as far as he knew, none of the three have admitted guilt.

Kock said, "There's a girl missing, so everybody assumes that a crime has been committed."

Antonio Carlo represents Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge. Carlo said the teen "has admitted to no crime whatsoever. My client has maintained that he is innocent."

Asked how Van Der Sloot was faring, Carlo said, "He is a 17-year-old boy. His detention is, of course, having an effect on him emotionally, but he is holding strong."

He said Van Der Sloot had been in contact with his mother and was assisting in the investigation. Both attorneys refused to comment on details of the investigation.

Van der Sloot, Kalpoe and Kalpoe's 21-year-old brother Depak were the last to be seen with Holloway. They were spotted leaving the popular Carlos'N Charlie's nightclub in the early hours of May 30.

A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.

Prosecutors refused to confirm or deny reports of a confession.

Law enforcement sources close to the investigation said there has not been a confession, but that cracks are appearing in the three suspects' stories.

Spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezen said only that the investigation was at a "very crucial" point.

Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said no one had informed him of a confession, but noted that type of information is not something he would learn of during this stage of investigation.

He said early Saturday that there was no search for a body or remains.

"Investigators will continue early in the morning doing their job," Oduber said.

Late Friday, a senior police official told CNN that one of the three youths police took into custody Thursday had confessed to killing Holloway.

The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with more than 100 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating high school graduation.

Casino meeting
Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

Later that night, Holloway went to Carlos'N Charlie's with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

Police said the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot told authorities they then went with Holloway to a beach before taking her back to her hotel at about 2 a.m.

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse on the northwestern tip of the island, which is about 19 miles long and 6 miles wide.

According to police statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol, and that a "dark-colored" man in a black T-shirt with a radio helped her.

Two arrests
That testimony led to Sunday's arrest of Abraham Jones, 28, and Mickey John, 30, two security guards at a hotel near where Holloway was staying.

But a Holiday Inn employee who has reviewed surveillance tapes from that morning said the tapes do not show any sign of Holloway. Authorities had no explanation and were looking at whether the five men have any connections to each other.

The guards' attorneys maintain the two are innocent.

None of the five men has been formally charged.

As part of the Netherlands Kingdom, Aruba follows the Dutch judicial system, under which suspects are arrested on suspicion of a crime and not charged until later.

Van Der Sloot's mother said she was confident her son had told authorities everything and that he was innocent.

"He was willing to help with anything, and he had a kind of quiet resolve -- I mean he said, 'Mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I am innocent, I didn't do anything,'" Anita Van Der Sloot told CNN.

"And in a very almost naive way he was very open with us, told us everything what happened," she said, adding that he has offered to speak with the Holloway family.

Government officials have said solving Holloway's disappearance is a national priority on the small Caribbean island where tourism is a top industry.

A massive search operation has involved authorities, family, friends and volunteers.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missi ... index.html



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So, we have a Senior LE saying that there was a confession.

Then, we have Joran taking LE out to the beach while in handcuffs.

I remember Beth saying that she went into an LE office and saw a statement which was ripped up and thrown in the trash.

I believe there was a statement given by Joran explaining what took place and in that statement, there was talk of seizures.

I believe that LE then spoke to Beth and Jug regarding seizures and they said Natalee never had seizures, so it was basically forgotten at that time.

Then we have Joran telling Vander Eem about seizures and what happened to Natalee on that night.

I can't help but think someone has been covering for Joran from the beginning. I mean, why would he even get to the point where he took LE on a walk to the beach. If he didn't confess to something, why bother even taking that walk, especially since it was reported that a confession was made by one of the suspects?

Also, being that Joran had been coached by his father before being arrested, you would think that he would NEVER have got into a position for that walk on the beach if there had not been a confession of some kind.

JMO
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Postby AC » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:30 pm

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: You`d actually think they certainly would do that. And Nancy, I don`t know. They`ve got -- you know, they got more evidence now than we`ve ever seen before. So I have no idea why they haven`t brought him back in for questioning.

GRACE: You know, Jug, when all of this happened, at the very, very beginning, when Natalee didn`t make that plane back to the U.S. after her high school senior trip to Aruba, you went down there. What happened when you got there? And how did the Aruban investigators treat you at that time?

TWITTY: Well, you know, after seeing the tape the other day that Peter De Vries did, it made it a lot clearer to me as to what happened. ...I think that the police knew that she was not alive the second day. When he did the shaking thing in the video -- you know, they questioned Beth and I the first day, second day, and then also questioned me two weeks later, and they kept asking about the epileptic

GRACE: Right.


TWITTY: ... fits, or you know, that type stuff. Well, you don`t ask that straight out of the box. I knew there was something funny. So they knew. I think Joran told them that probably something happened on the beach and she did this. But Van Der Straaten, you know, probably just wanted to cover his friend`s son`s butt, and actually just got into it early on, and then it just got deeper and deeper and snowballed and they just covered every track (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: So Jug, what you`re telling me is that at the very beginning, in that very first week, when you went down to search for Natalee, they were asking you guys, you and Beth, her mom, Is she an epileptic? Does she have seizures? Which goes hand in hand with the story he just told on secret video that she had a seizure and died.

TWITTY: Absolutely. I mean, that`s what -- to me, and to Beth also, that just solidifies that he is telling the truth.

GRACE: Or he`s sticking to his story that she died of a seizure because, Jug, I don`t buy that a completely healthy girl -- you`re her stepfather, you know her as well as anybody else -- a completely healthy girl, not an epileptic, never had a seizure in her life, would have a couple of drinks at a bar and suddenly died? I don`t buy that.

But what it does prove is the story that he`s telling now, he may have told police way back when, and they didn`t put it in the file. What was in the file, Jug...

TWITTY: No, no. They put it in the file. Absolutely. I guarantee he told them that, Nancy. I promise you, because the next night, after Beth and I went in there, Beth gave a statement. I didn`t. They didn`t even ask for my statement until, like, two weeks later, like the 15th, which was crazy because all my friends were down there. They could have given them all the information they wanted. But they took Beth`s. The very next night, they came out to a restaurant when we were there, and Dennis Jacobs said, I need you to redo another statement. And they tore that statement up. So...

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Postby billybob » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:32 pm

So what is your theory and why are we going down memory lane on this again ... or what exactly is your point?
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Postby resigned » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:06 am

billybob wrote:So what is your theory and why are we going down memory lane on this again ... or what exactly is your point?


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Postby AC » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:07 am

billybob wrote:So what is your theory and why are we going down memory lane on this again ... or what exactly is your point?


Billybob, you know that I have tried to look at all sides of this case. My point is, that right from the beginning of this case it is very possible that Joran gave a confession to ALE, one that mirrors what he discussed with Vander Eem. I do believe it is very possible that someone has covered his tracks. I would like to know who that Senior ALE member was. This person leaked information to the press and it would be very interesting to find out what he/she knows regarding this case. THAT is my point.
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Postby charlierat » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:40 am

AC wrote:
Billybob, you know that I have tried to look at all sides of this case. My point is, that right from the beginning of this case it is very possible that Joran gave a confession to ALE, one that mirrors what he discussed with Vander Eem. I do believe it is very possible that someone has covered his tracks. I would like to know who that Senior ALE member was. This person leaked information to the press and it would be very interesting to find out what he/she knows regarding this case. THAT is my point.

The reference to a confession in the story you quoted doesn't really hold water. See my comments about the same article in the Gretawire thread.
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Postby AC » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:45 am

charlierat wrote:The reference to a confession in the story you quoted doesn't really hold water. See my comments about the same article in the Gretawire thread.


LOL, I've seen it Charlie....but, I'm sure you already are aware of that fact.
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Postby K_Meine » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:59 am

My question is this. If it were true that a confession was made by someone and as pictured people were taken out to the beach. Who made the decision to not follow through on this "confession" and why?
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Postby AC » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:02 pm

K_Meine wrote:My question is this. If it were true that a confession was made by someone and as pictured people were taken out to the beach. Who made the decision to not follow through on this "confession" and why?


That seems to be the question!

FYI, that is a photo of Joran in handcuffs taking ALE to the beach. I remember that day and thought this case would be put to bed. It didn't happen.....makes no sense to me.
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Postby charlierat » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:03 pm

K_Meine wrote:My question is this. If it were true that a confession was made by someone and as pictured people were taken out to the beach. Who made the decision to not follow through on this "confession" and why?

Your question depends entirely on a couple of huge "if's." The PV's have been made available. There were no confessions. Plus, who said that there was no follow through? The area that Joran led the investigators was, and has remained, a center of intense scrutiny and examination.
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Postby AC » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:04 pm

charlierat wrote:Your question depends entirely on a couple of huge "if's." The PV's have been made available. There were no confessions. Plus, who said that there was no follow through? The area that Joran led the investigators was, and has remained, a center of intense scrutiny and examination.


We have not seen the entire file...so how do you know all the PV's have been available?
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Postby K_Meine » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:30 pm

charlierat wrote:Your question depends entirely on a couple of huge "if's." The PV's have been made available. There were no confessions. Plus, who said that there was no follow through? The area that Joran led the investigators was, and has remained, a center of intense scrutiny and examination.


A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.


Here's an obvious idea. Why not find this CNN person and ask them who told them about the confession. If they are to only report the news and not create the news then the source should be legitimate. It is quite bizarre that for a few days there at the beginning it seemed justice would be served and then all of a sudden someone hit the breaks.

ASSuming there was a confession scenario. What possible reason(s) would there be to favor concealment of the crime versus prosecution of a crime? Could "they", whoever they are RTBS, have realized at this early juncture that there was no longer a body available to support a confession and thus moved to distract in order to not appear incapable.
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Postby dugo » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:04 pm

Joran describes that "confession" in his book.. I'll check if the dates match when I can be bothered to look for the book.
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Postby K_Meine » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:59 pm

dugo wrote:Joran describes that "confession" in his book.. I'll check if the dates match when I can be bothered to look for the book.


Has anyone ever considered that Joran might actually want to "confess"? The conundrum for him is that even if we wanted to confess most people won't believe what he says. Unless he knows exactly where she is and wasn't placed in the water. He becomes his own victim. Ooops.
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Postby Gregor » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:18 pm

K_Meine wrote:
Has anyone ever considered that Joran might actually want to "confess"? The conundrum for him is that even if we wanted to confess most people won't believe what he says. Unless he knows exactly where she is and wasn't placed in the water. He becomes his own victim. Ooops.


Any criminal who wants to confess gets a lawyer and goes to the authorities. Since Joran has been represented by more than one competent attorney I'm sure he's had this explained to him.

If he had anything to confess, and felt inclined to, I'm sure one of his attorneys would have helped him.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:48 pm

K_Meine wrote:My question is this. If it were true that a confession was made by someone and as pictured people were taken out to the beach. Who made the decision to not follow through on this "confession" and why?


Mind boggling at best.

There was no confession, therefore, no "decision to not follow through on this "confession".

Key word here is IF

You want people to provide you with a reason for something that does not exist?

Amazingly mindboggling!
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:56 pm

K_Meine wrote:ASSuming there was a confession scenario.

What possible reason(s) would there be to favor concealment of the crime versus prosecution of a crime?


:what:

Again, an assumption is made, and a reason for the assumption asked for. How can that be done truthfully, intelligently, or reasonably?

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Postby Glenda » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:01 pm

There was never a confession! This is BS.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:27 pm

Glenda wrote:There was never a confession! This is BS.


I know that, Glenda.
So does everyone else.

It seems that someone is looking for a reason/way to make a qualified statement of something that never happened.

Which is exactly what Beth did. (and got away with for Months/Years.)
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Postby resigned » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:43 pm

One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.

But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Referring to Dompig's statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der Biezen (search) said Saturday: "We neither confirm nor deny any information coming from other sources ... [about] alleged statements of suspects in this case."

"The investigation at the moment is the following: Five suspects are being held ... and we are at a very crucial, very important moment in our investigation," she said.


Who told Craig who told Karl who told Michele who told Greta who told Soledad who told.................. :lol:

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Postby Glenda » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:57 pm

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One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.

But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig (search), who told The Associated Press that the man who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Referring to Dompig's statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der Biezen (search) said Saturday: "We neither confirm nor deny any information coming from other sources ... [about] alleged statements of suspects in this case."

"The investigation at the moment is the following: Five suspects are being held ... and we are at a very crucial, very important moment in our investigation," she said.


Who told Craig who told Karl who told Michele who told Greta who told Soledad who told.................. :lol:

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Croes who heard the breaking news on CNN... (Aruba's only source of int'l news) and FOX needed a source since CNN's sources told Fox it wasn't true!
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Postby resigned » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:07 pm

Glenda wrote:
Croes who heard the breaking news on CNN... (Aruba's only source of int'l news) and FOX needed a source since CNN's sources told Fox it wasn't true!


They should have been following it on the internet. Lots of R/T posting -with information from a variety of sources back then. :D
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Postby Slickster » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:56 pm

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They should have been following it on the internet. Lots of R/T posting -with information from a variety of sources back then. :D


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Roll Tide!
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Roll Thaide!

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Whatever Thaide they roll,
They still roll 'it' well.

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