Issues w/Jane Velez Mitchell - CNN Headline News - Transcrip

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Issues w/Jane Velez Mitchell - CNN Headline News - Transcript 11/12/08

But, first, we`re getting more information about Joran Van Der Sloot`s alleged involvement in bringing Thai women to Europe to work as prostitutes. Van Der Sloot as you probably know was the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005.

And he`s in trouble again, a hidden camera investigation by a Dutch TV crew caught Van Der Sloot on tape allegedly trying to sell women. That`s right, sell women from Thailand to Dutch prostitution rings.

And now we learn the documentary also claims that Joran`s dad, a powerful Dutch attorney, may have been more involved than initially thought in Natalee Holloway`s disappearance. Joining me by phone Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway, and criminal defense attorney Jeff Brown.

Dave, first of all thank you so much for joining us. I know this has to be difficult as always. This is astounding video that shows Joran trying to lure allegedly young women out of Bangkok to Holland to become prostitutes. What is your reaction to this sex sting?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, it`s really unbelievable, Jane, that it didn`t surprise me. A lot of the experts following our case had indicated this guy was going to strike again. And had indicated that he`ll be involved in some other criminal activity and I guess they were right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and by the way, we have an open invitation to Joran Van Der Sloot`s attorney, Joe Tacopina, he is welcome to join us here on this show to tell his side of the story anytime he wants. We`ve reached out and we haven`t gotten a comment at this point.

I want to ask you about the connection between this whole Bangkok incident and the Natalee Holloway case. Obviously, that`s your primary concern, Dave. You want to find out what happened to your daughter.

Now, in the documentary, they interviewed Celeste, who is supposedly an ex-girlfriend of Joran`s and she says something quite astounding, that she believes Joran`s dad was more involved than previously thought. Can you explain that? Because you`ve seen the documentary.

HOLLOWAY: Yes. She had indicated that Joran told her that Joran`s father knows more and coached him through this whole process of interrogation and so forth. He also told her that there was one other person who knows all about the case. And a lot of people believe that it was Paul Van Der Sloot himself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, why do you say that? Because we`ve also heard of another person, Dowry (ph), that was referred to in a previous expose.

HOLLOWARY: In that previous expose, Patrick was the guy who spent about six to seven months with Joran, and, of course, he`s -- he was the one that believes that Dowry is actually his father.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok, so in other words, that`s a name that`s being used and you feel that that`s a cover-up for the father. This is such fascinating stuff.

Jeff Brown, criminal defense attorney. So many legal issues, first of all, speaking of Natalee, can any information gathered in this alleged scam in Bangkok to lure women into prostitution in Holland be used to help solve the Natalee Holloway case by going to the court and saying, look, he`s a bad guy, look what he`s doing now?

JEFF BROWN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I don`t see how you can do that. Most laws, especially United States laws, prevents you from saying somebody`s a bad person in one instance, therefore, they`re a bad person in the other instance.

Another reason why I don`t think that this evidence will ever get anywhere is I think you and I disagree as to what this tape completely says. I don`t hear prostitution. I hear him saying I want people to come be dancers. He shows them what he wants.

So, even this tape itself, I think, is open to interpretation. Do we take it literally in that he`s looking to bring back dancers, as he says, as they say, as he shows them what he`s looking for, is how to dance. Or are we saying that he`s speaking in code and he`s really looking for prostitution? I think that`s a perfect illustration of how this tape itself will be very --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But let me say this, obviously this is just a jumping-off point for an investigation. I understand that the authorities in Thailand are translating this entire documentary so they can understand what happened.

Dave, don`t they have to launch an investigation based on this, I mean, this is not an open-and-shut case. But they can now try to find out was Joran working as a middle man? Is there somebody in Holland that is paying him off? Is he part of a prostitution ring? Don`t they have to do some investigating?

HOLLOWAY: From what I understand, Jane, the videotape is not the only evidence they have. I think there`s some other email conversations between he and his accomplice.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, you`re saying that this is part of a much larger, sort of scope of investigation, and there`s evidence coming up in other arenas. I`ve heard that, yes, there are emails that have come up that also could implicate him.

You know what`s interesting Jeff Brown, is that one of the prosecutors in Thailand of reportedly kind of pooh-poohed the whole idea of prosecuting him. Saying, you can`t prosecute anybody on a TV show. Sure you can.

To catch a predator is a perfect example of prosecuting people based on undercover video that was obtained by a news crew.

BROWN: Yes, you can use a show like that to launch an investigation and keep in mind, in most countries, not all countries, but most countries, what a defendant or a suspect says can be repeated by anybody basically.

The problem that you may run into legally is trying to use other people`s statements that are on the show in a courtroom, in America, for instance, you wouldn`t be able to do that. You`d actually have to call that witness and have them testify and kind of in the present sense. So, you can run in to some of those logistic problems.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dave, we only have a couple of seconds. Do you think that Joran Van Der Sloot is ever going to be prosecuted either for your daughter`s disappearance or for this latest problem in Bangkok?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I don`t mean to be negative or anything. From what I`ve seen in the past and what I see in this tape and what evidence they have, you know, I`m not very confident that they will.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s got to be depressing for you.

HOLLOWAY: It is. It is. I wish they would have done more and developed a case a little bit more than what they did. But who knows? You know, that`s -- the Dutch and the Thai authorities to make that decision, not me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I just want you to know that we will never forget Natalee. Dave and Jeff, thank you so much for joining us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... vm.01.html

[iquitos]

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:roll:

Are you including Dave in this comment, IQ?

[iquitos]

something they know nothing about, yes. i don't think dave is an idiot in general. i really object to this baseless legal speculation and constant demonization. the lawyer made sense though. and dave should not have used the daury=paulus formulation. that is pure smear.

[Glenda]

Dave's is to keep Natalee's case alive!

Many of the things he says are due to misinformation.

I hope he doesn't blame the Thai and Dutch authorities for not arresting Joran for this last PRDV charade.

[all10suspects]

Dave's is to keep Natalee's case alive!

Many of the things he says are due to misinformation.

I hope he doesn't blame the Thai and Dutch authorities for not arresting Joran for this last PRDV charade.

I am just glad its Dave and not Beth. I do not think Joran will
be arrested. Its just good when ever thier is news. Is Aruba
paying Joran a pr fee?

[charlierat]

Dave's is to keep Natalee's case alive!

Many of the things he says are due to misinformation.

I hope he doesn't blame the Thai and Dutch authorities for not arresting Joran for this last PRDV charade.

...or use the fact that Joran does not get arrested as confirmation that Joran benefited from favortism during and after the summer of 2005.

[Glenda]

I am just glad its Dave and not Beth. I do not think Joran will
be arrested. Its just good when ever thier is news. Is Aruba
paying Joran a pr fee?

I'm sure that Beth's sister-in-law could answer that one, since she is in charge of Aruba's PR.

[resigned]

I'm sure that Beth's sister-in-law could answer that one, since she is in charge of Aruba's PR.

Are you certain about that?

Looks like Aruba has been moved to the past client list.

http://www.quinnandco.com/html/pages/travel.html

[iquitos]

Are you certain about that?

Looks like Aruba has been moved to the past client list.

http://www.quinnandco.com/html/pages/travel.html

still doing the aruba westin though.

[resigned]

still doing the aruba westin though.

Isn't that where Greta and Beth stayed last year - the only place that had room.

[charlierat]

Isn't that where Greta and Beth stayed last year - the only place that had room.

No, they stayed at the Marriott Surf Club.

[gwen]

Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot reportedly discussions prostitution trafficking
Thursday, November 13, 2008 HANNAH WOLFSONNews staff writer
Natalee Holloway's father said Wednesday he believes a video that shows the main suspect in his daughter's disappearance talk about trafficking in prostitutes - but doesn't believe it will make a difference in his family's case.

"It's been a sham from the beginning," Dave Holloway said from his home in Mississippi. "You look at all this stuff and it's unbelievable."

Holloway said he had watched part of and read a transcript of a Dutch television show that allegedly shows Joran van der Sloot telling two men posing as members of the Dutch sex trade that he could get Thai women to work for them on false documents.

The show, which aired Sunday in Holland, was created by Peter De Vries, who last year captured van der Sloot talking callously about dumping Holloway's body. De Vries won an international Emmy for that show.

Holloway disappeared in 2005 while on a trip to Aruba with fellow graduates of Mountain Brook High School. Van der Sloot, who was the last person seen with her before she disappeared, was arrested but never tried due to lack of evidence.

In the show, De Vries showed Van der Sloot, 21, in Bangkok talking to sex workers and offering to find them paying work. At the end of the show, De Vries confronted him on the phone and Van der Sloot dismissed the claims, saying, "I have done nothing. You initiated everything."

Dutch news outlets have reported that the Thai authorities have requested a copy of the tape. Holloway said he had heard some speculation that van der Sloot had already been arrested, but could not confirm it.

However, he said that if van der Sloot were tried and convicted of trafficking in Thailand - a crime he said could mean eight years in prison - it would bring him some comfort.

"If he'd have to spend some time in a Thai jail, that'd be better than spending 30 in an Aruban prison," Holloway said. "That's like the difference between a five-star hotel and ... a dungeon."

E-mail: hwolfson@bhamnews.com

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/storie ... xml&coll=2

[iquitos]

not just what was shown, edited, i presume. peter might have broken a few laws himself.

[Glenda]

Dutch news outlets have reported that the Thai authorities have requested a copy of the tape.

I guess Hannah doesn't speak Thai either. Good for Hannah for sourcing her information.

[iquitos]

dave's last statement. let him rot in jail in thailand because aruba can't prove he did anything to natalee?

[all10suspects]

dave's last statement. let him rot in jail in thailand because aruba can't prove he did anything to natalee?

If Dave said that thier is nothing wrong with that. Its how he feels.
Aruba will not jail him so why not another country if he did something wrong?

[AlwaysL8]

dave's last statement. let him rot in jail in thailand because aruba can't prove he did anything to natalee?

That is not what Dave said. Why are you purposely misquoting him?

[iquitos]

That is not what Dave said. Why are you purposely misquoting him?

this is what hannah said he said: "If he'd have to spend some time in a Thai jail, that'd be better than spending 30 in an Aruban prison," Holloway said. "That's like the difference between a five-star hotel and ... a dungeon."

i guess you are right but i think dave is wrong. i am sure prison conditions in thailand are much worse than aruba. so a short time in a bad prison might be as bad as a longer period in a better one. besides, in aruba he would have a support system that does not exist in thailand, except for his girlfriends).

[AlwaysL8]

this is what hannah said he said: "If he'd have to spend some time in a Thai jail, that'd be better than spending 30 in an Aruban prison," Holloway said. "That's like the difference between a five-star hotel and ... a dungeon."

i guess you are right but i think dave is wrong. i am sure prison conditions in thailand are much worse than aruba. so a short time in a bad prison might be as bad as a longer period in a better one. besides, in aruba he would have a support system that does not exist in thailand, except for his girlfriends).

Where does it say "rot in jail"? Why the embellishment?

[iquitos]

Where does it say "rot in jail"? Why the embellishment?

that is what one does in a dungeon.

[AlwaysL8]

that is what one does in a dungeon.

Those are your words, not Dave's. Before long, it will be all over the net that Dave said he wants joran to "rot in a Tai jail", imo, this is one way the misinformation all of a sudden becomes a "fact".

[Bongo]

Those are your words, not Dave's. Before long, it will be all over the net that Dave said he wants joran to "rot in a Tai jail", imo, this is one way the misinformation all of a sudden becomes a "fact".

No no, don't blame Iquitos, those are the Telegraaf's words, they made this up, this Dutch daily newspaper, misinforming on a daily basis!!

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2496 ... tml?p=18,2


do 13 nov 2008, 13:02
'Laat Joran wegrotten in Thaise cel' =like 'Let's Joran rot away in Thai cel'

‘Vader’ Nathalee haalt de pers met ferme uitspraak

AMSTERDAM - De vader van Natalee Holloway hoopt dat Joran van der Sloot "snel wordt opgesloten in een Thaise cel."

''Joran kan beter een paar jaar in Thailand worden opgesloten, dan dertig jaar in een gevangenis op Aruba'', zegt Dave Holloway in The Birmingham News. ''Een verschil tussen een kerker en een vijfsterrenhotel.''
Dave Holloway zag de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries afgelopen zondag waarin Joran probeert vrouwen te verhandelen. Hij gelooft overigens niet dat de uitspraken van Joran kunnen helpen in de zaak van zijn vermiste dochter. Het zou Holloway wel "rust geven" als Joran in Thailand achter de tralies beland voor vrouwenhandel, zo zegt hij.


vader en moeder holloway ('father and mother Holloway')
Foto: Ab Blauw

[AlwaysL8]

Those are your words, not Dave's. Before long, it will be all over the net that Dave said he wants joran to "rot in a Tai jail", imo, this is one way the misinformation all of a sudden becomes a "fact".

No no, don't blame Iquitos, those are the Telegraaf's words, they made this up, this Dutch daily newspaper, misinforming on a daily basis!!

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2496 ... tml?p=18,2


do 13 nov 2008, 13:02
'Laat Joran wegrotten in Thaise cel' =like 'Let's Joran rot away in Thai cel'

‘Vader’ Nathalee haalt de pers met ferme uitspraak

AMSTERDAM - De vader van Natalee Holloway hoopt dat Joran van der Sloot "snel wordt opgesloten in een Thaise cel."

''Joran kan beter een paar jaar in Thailand worden opgesloten, dan dertig jaar in een gevangenis op Aruba'', zegt Dave Holloway in The Birmingham News. ''Een verschil tussen een kerker en een vijfsterrenhotel.''
Dave Holloway zag de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries afgelopen zondag waarin Joran probeert vrouwen te verhandelen. Hij gelooft overigens niet dat de uitspraken van Joran kunnen helpen in de zaak van zijn vermiste dochter. Het zou Holloway wel "rust geven" als Joran in Thailand achter de tralies beland voor vrouwenhandel, zo zegt hij.


vader en moeder holloway ('father and mother Holloway')
Foto: Ab Blauw

Iquitos has those words coming out of Dave Holloway's mouth. I was just pointing out that Dave did not say "rot in jail".

I have no doubt that is was said, just not by Dave Holloway.

[Bongo]

Iquitos has those words coming out of Dave Holloway's mouth. I was just pointing out that Dave did not say "rot in jail".

I have no doubt that is was said, just not by Dave Holloway.

, said by misleading media, people -in general- tend to believe headlines, taking it for granted.