Frannie & The Girls - Press Conference Stars

[DiamondDot]

Let's not forget that Joran did the jelly shot off her belly and all the brothers saw this, per their statements. I sure haven't seen anything saying Joran did a belly shot off of any other girls. Even her friends confirmed Joran did the belly shot off of Natalee.

Do you believe Natalee is the only MBer to do belly shots? There are no statements otherwise.

[WordsofWisdom]

Joran, Deepak and Satish, all independently when questioned, identified the girl that got in the car as Natalee Holloway.

There is no way that I believe that anyone else except Natalee was the person that got into the Kalpoe car while leaving Carlos and Charlies in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005. IMO all three would most certainly be disputing that huge point up until this day - which they aren't and haven't ever.

IF this theory was correct, they would STILL not know.

[WordsofWisdom]

What about Deepak commenting about the girl being a good dancer? I think everyone knows that was Natalee.

What about it?
Is Natalee the ONLY person that could dance?

[WordsofWisdom]

Let's not forget that Joran did the jelly shot off her belly and all the brothers saw this, per their statements. I sure haven't seen anything saying Joran did a belly shot off of any other girls. Even her friends confirmed Joran did the belly shot off of Natalee.

"all the brothers"?
where did "all the brothers" say that, or her friends?

[plhtx1]

Do you believe Natalee is the only MBer to do belly shots? There are no statements otherwise.

I believe that Natalee is the only one that Joran did a belly shot with.

[WordsofWisdom]

I believe that Natalee is the only one that Joran did a belly shot with.

Thats not the question.

[K Hemingway]

I believe that Natalee is the only one that Joran did a belly shot with.

Joran was not the only one to lick one off her belly...

[WordsofWisdom]

And she claimed her mother was Hitler's sister's daughter.....that HAD to be Natalee.

Nah... another student referred to her mother that way too.

[plhtx1]

"all the brothers"?
where did "all the brothers" say that, or her friends?

Satish, June 11

saw that the girl laid down on top of the bar. I had never seen this before. I asked Joran "What is she going to do." Joran told me that the girl wanted him to drink a bodyshot off of her. I saw that the girl poured a drink on her belly, after which Joran drank it (sucked it up). The girl had paid for the bodyshot (drink). According to me I had stood alone for a while. Joran cam

[plhtx1]

Joran was not the only one to lick one off her belly...

Did I say that?

[plhtx1]

Thats not the question.

I thought the question was about Joran not knowing he was with Natalee.

[resigned]

Joran was not the only one to lick one off her belly...

What if he wasn't? Big deal! She had every right to be licked by anyone she wanted as much as Joran had the right to lick anyone he wanted.....What makes the difference in his case is that he left with Natalee in the Kalpoe car and no one has seen or heard from Natalee again. Joran claims he left her "at the beach".

[plhtx1]

What if he wasn't? Big deal! She had every right to be licked by anyone she wanted as much as Joran had the right to lick anyone he wanted.....What makes the difference in his case is that he left with Natalee in the Kalpoe car and no one has seen or heard from Natalee again. Joran claims he left her "at the beach".

Exactly.....derailing is all they try to do. It's obvious that Joran was with Natalee and no one else. That's the only reason I brought up Joran doing the belly shot off of Natalee. Heck, everyone could have licked off her. I don't care. Joran says he did the shot off her and Satish saw it. So, I'm pretty sure they knew who Natalee was.

[resigned]

Nah... another student referred to her mother that way too.

No another student did not refer to "her mother" ( the other student's mother) that way too. The student "supposedly" said that she heard Natalee refer to Beth in that manner.

[K Hemingway]

My my...a tad touchy today?

I guess we can only discuss belly shots in a certain way.

[plhtx1]

Most of this has already been covered in the 2 threads that I referenced.

Did he "meet" her at the casino, or was it when they ran into him again? I forget if it was at Moomba's on the way out... It was VERY brief.

And it IS Dark in C&C's except when camera flashes are taking pictures. Have you ever been there? It is a nightclub. Nightclubs are dark. Except for various "lit" signs/decorations...

C&Cs is not dark like the type of bars you are describing. And believe me, the bars are very lit up so you can see who you are doing a belly shot with. And yes, I have been there

[WordsofWisdom]

Let's not forget that Joran did the jelly shot off her belly and all the brothers saw this, per their statements. I sure haven't seen anything saying Joran did a belly shot off of any other girls. Even her friends confirmed Joran did the belly shot off of Natalee.

How does this prove anything at all?

You say Satish saw Joran do it.... ok.
What is your point?
What does this prove?

It only proves that the girl Joran did a bellyshot with is the one he left with. I agree with that.

[WordsofWisdom]

No another student did not refer to "her mother" ( the other student's mother) that way too. The student "supposedly" said that she heard Natalee refer to Beth in that manner.

that too.
One of the journals or facebook.. one of those type ... was referring to her mother the same way.

[WordsofWisdom]

C&Cs is not dark like the type of bars you are describing. And believe me, the bars are very lit up so you can see who you are doing a belly shot with. And yes, I have been there

No doubt.
But the time factor plus the (lets call it dim) lighting plus the alcohol, plus the crowd....

[resigned]

[WordsofWisdom]

Exactly.....derailing is all they try to do. It's obvious that Joran was with Natalee and no one else. That's the only reason I brought up Joran doing the belly shot off of Natalee. Heck, everyone could have licked off her. I don't care. Joran says he did the shot off her and Satish saw it. So, I'm pretty sure they knew who Natalee was.

[WordsofWisdom]

As I said....

[ghost]

Because "ghost" knows no other way.
She IS from Mountain Brook, so factor that in.

You are from Aruba. How do I know? You make up stories and present them as fact.

It's statements like that that killed credibility of certain people who attempted to cast every citizen of Aruba in one singular light. You, my dear, are no different from Beth in that respect. When you do this, change Mountain Brook to Aruba. You'll see what I mean.

Why mock her? She's allowed her opinion same as you are.

I mock the constant I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG in reference to "facts" we all know this poster doesn't know for a fact. It's one thing to voice an opinion. You'll notice opinions aren't what I'm mocking. It's statements made as fact that are not fact but opinion.

So. WoW. You STATE for a FACT these things. As you obviously are presenting them not as your opinion but as fact, surely you can explain.

1. What has Brian Riser lied about, to whom, and how do you know?
2. We can assume that you have, in fact, have had detailed conversations with Bryan Reynolds as you know, for a fact, he did not come into contact with either Deepak or Satish, yes?
3. You have, we can assume, been in contact with Natalee Holloway after May 30, 2005 as you know, for a fact, that she did not leave with Joran, correct?

[K Hemingway]

[resigned]

As I said....

Doesn't look that dim to me. I've been in places where the only light is from cigarettes and lighters.

Do you think that no one could see one another because it was after midnight and/or crowded and/or of the alcohol factor ( in a bar/restaurant of all places)? These were teenagers - not senior citizens with hearing and eye issues.

One would have to take a ginormous amount of liberty and assumptions to just get to the point that they couldn't ID Natalee just from mere sight - but taken into consideration that at least Joran spoke to her in the club, licked a shot off of her, according to him and that all three later identified the girl as Natalee...it is impossible. IMO