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Postby henk » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:20 am

petals wrote:The official language of Barbados is English so I don't think there would be any translation problems there, either.


Petals, Sarge said Bahamas, I thought she said Barbados.. :oops: :oops:

But the outcome is the same..

Language of the Bahamas
The lingua franca of the Bahamas is English.

Most Bahamian's speak English quite well, with some "improvements" (depending on your point of view) which tend to be looked upon as errors in other English speaking countries, i.e. "Whay yuh tink use'a goin'? (Translated: Where are you are going?). Very colorful.
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Postby sarge » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:52 am

The Bahamians usually speak English with beautiful British accents.
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In Myrtle Beach - you're not gonna have the " confusion" of whether vrijen means anything from I got off just looking at her ..........to ~ she gave me a blow job. IMO
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Postby henk » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:33 pm

resigned wrote:In Myrtle Beach - you're not gonna have the " confusion" of whether vrijen means anything from I got off just looking at her ..........to ~ she gave me a blow job. IMO



Have fun in Myrtle Beach.. But.. at least you won't be "confused".. :roll:

Worst Medium Cities for Crime (200,000-500,000 pop.)
On the other hand, the South seems to be particularly challenged with crime:

1.Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach has the highest total rate of crime in the nation, due to a high rate of violent crime and the nation's highest rate of property crime. In particular, the rates of assault, burglary, and larceny are particularly high.
2.Montgomery, AL
The murder rate is significantly high in Montgomery, as are the rates of robbery, burglary, and larceny.
3.Laredo, TX
While the larceny rate is high in Laredo, residents can take comfort in the relatively low rates of murder and forcible rape.
4.Waco, TX
Like Laredo, violent crime is less of a concern in Waco than property crime. In particular, burglary and larceny are a problem.
5.Wilmington, NC
Wilmington has the second-highest rate of burglary in the country. On the other hand, the rates of forcible rape and assault are low.
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Postby resigned » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:00 pm

henk wrote:
resigned wrote:In Myrtle Beach - you're not gonna have the " confusion" of whether vrijen means anything from I got off just looking at her ..........to ~ she gave me a blow job. IMO



Have fun in Myrtle Beach.. But.. at least you won't be "confused".. :roll:

Worst Medium Cities for Crime (200,000-500,000 pop.)
On the other hand, the South seems to be particularly challenged with crime:

1.Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach has the highest total rate of crime in the nation, due to a high rate of violent crime and the nation's highest rate of property crime. In particular, the rates of assault, burglary, and larceny are particularly high.
2.Montgomery, AL
The murder rate is significantly high in Montgomery, as are the rates of robbery, burglary, and larceny.
3.Laredo, TX
While the larceny rate is high in Laredo, residents can take comfort in the relatively low rates of murder and forcible rape.
4.Waco, TX
Like Laredo, violent crime is less of a concern in Waco than property crime. In particular, burglary and larceny are a problem.
5.Wilmington, NC
Wilmington has the second-highest rate of burglary in the country. On the other hand, the rates of forcible rape and assault are low.


Thank You for your wishes for "fun".

Do you know if there is a Myrtle Beach Strategic Task Force that blames everything on the families of missing persons there as well? TIA
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Postby sarge » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:12 pm

It depends on which study you believe.

If you click on this link it will show you a map of the cities with the most crime in the country.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008 ... rime.html#



New Orleans has highest crime rate in country, national study says
by Brendan McCarthy, The Times-Picayune
Monday November 24, 2008, 6:30 PM
Michael DeMocker, The Times-PicayuneNew Orleans police investigate the slaying of a 24-year-old man on Friday near Cambronne and Spruce streets. The city tops a new survey of the nation's most violent urban areas in a study released today.

Long known as an American murder capital, New Orleans also has the highest rate of overall crime in the country, according to a high-profile and controversial study released Monday.

A map showing the top 10 most crime-plagued cities in the United States.

The number of crimes reported in the city last year, analyzed alongside population estimates, puts New Orleans head and shoulders above its closest peer, Camden, N.J., and nearly 400 other cities, according to the study by CQ Press.

The dubious honor will surprise no one in New Orleans. Even New Orleans Police Superintendent Warren Riley dismissed the murder capital title as nothing new -- though he also challenged the survey's methodology, especially its use of a population number city officials dispute.

In a rare news conference Monday afternoon, Riley seemed to suggest that the city's crime problem is endemic -- and thus perhaps impossible to correct.

"In the 1870s, New Orleans was considered, in the riverboat gambling days, one of the most violent cities in the country," he said. "Is it the water in the Mississippi? I don't know what it is. But we certainly have some problems. So does every urban city."

Riley laid blame with poverty and poor schooling, saying these societal ills have allowed crime to "fester for a long time."

"The problem won't change until we take care of the poor people in this city, until we take care of the impoverished in this city, until we gave them the same educational opportunities as everyone else, until we give them direction" he said.

Notably, Riley did not mention his department as an important force in reducing crime.

Police officials in other cities took a different tack with the new study. In Camden, which ranked second to New Orleans, the police chief said the spike in crime led to changes in the city's policing plan.

"The unacceptable level of crime has been the driving force behind our recent reorganization as well as the development of our crime-control plan," Camden Police Director Louis Vega said in a prepared statement.

In Ramapo, N.Y., the city with the lowest crime rate, the top cop lauded the department's community-outreach efforts.

"The community is our eyes and ears, and we work closely with community groups, schools, parent teacher associations and more," said Christopher St. Lawrence, chairman of the police commission in the affluent city of 120,000 people, located about 20 miles north of New York City.

The report's rankings are calculated using crime statistics from seven major categories: murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and car theft. Rates are calculated using population data.

The usefulness of such rankings is hotly debated among many in the criminal justice field. For example, the FBI and some criminal justice groups stopped using a similar methodology in 2004, arguing that it was not a true indicator of crime -- in part because it overvalued the importance of less-serious crimes that occur more often, such as theft, over relatively rare but serious crimes, such as murder.

The creators of the rankings did issue a special note about New Orleans, highlighting the city's dramatic changes in population over the past few years.

In determining the CQ report, the researchers used a 2007 population of 220,614, the estimate that was provided to the FBI when police agencies across the country reported their statistics, according to Ben Krasney, a CQ spokesman. That estimate is less than a later U.S. census estimate of 239,124.

The census number, meanwhile, has been attacked as far too low by city leaders, who have filed an official challenge to the figure. The challenge is still pending.

Krasney said CQ used the same population totals reported to the FBI for every city in order to "level the playing field." He also said that although some may quibble with their methodology, the comparisons among the cities are fair.

Riley disagrees.

"It's inaccurate information," the chief said Monday. "There's nothing factual about it. There's nothing scientific about it."

Krasney said New Orleans ranked well above Camden, and would have still taken the crime title with the higher population number provided by the U.S. census. It's not clear what population figure city officials think should have been used, and whether it would have affected the rankings.

Mayor Ray Nagin's communications staff did not return requests for comment.

. . . . . . .

Brendan McCarthy can be reached at bmccarthy@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3301.
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Postby henk » Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:31 pm

resigned wrote:
Thank You for your wishes for "fun".

Do you know if there is a Myrtle Beach Strategic Task Force that blames everything on the families of missing persons there as well? TIA


The Myrtle Beach Strategic Task Force must be much, much better then "as well".. I'm sure they solve all cases, never make mistakes and never ever look at friends or family to blame.. Not even when they are lying.. :roll:
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Postby resigned » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:06 pm

henk wrote:
The Myrtle Beach Strategic Task Force must be much, much better then "as well".. I'm sure they solve all cases, never make mistakes and never ever look at friends or family to blame.. Not even when they are lying.. :roll:


The "Task Force" protects and preserves tourism. It's LE that investigates and fumbles the ball during the first days of the investigation - at least that's the way Aruba did it in the Holloway case. :lol:
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Postby petals » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:12 pm

I'll bet that crime victims and their families in Myrtle Beach could only pray that local law enforcement agencies would devote a fraction of the priority, resources and professionalism to their case that Aruban law enforcement devoted to the Natalee Holloway case. :lol:
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petals wrote:I'll bet that crime victims and their families in Myrtle Beach could only pray that local law enforcement agencies would devote a fraction of the priority, resources and professionalism to their case that Aruban law enforcement devoted to the Natalee Holloway case. :lol:



ALE started too late with their "priority" check...professionals know their limitations and a good bit of the resources were to keep Amercian tourism dollars forthcoming - not with the Holloway "investigation".

They fucked up the case coming out of the gate and then whined about the dollars they spent covering their sorry asses. Oh Boo Hoo. :cry:
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Postby cajun_mali » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:41 pm

I take it that is your opinion. It seems professional LE seems to have a different opinion.

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ALE started too late with their "priority" check...professionals know their limitations and a good bit of the resources were to keep Amercian tourism dollars forthcoming - not with the Holloway "investigation".

They fucked up the case coming out of the gate and then whined about the dollars they spent covering their sorry asses. Oh Boo Hoo. :cry:
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Postby resigned » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:39 pm

cajun_mali wrote:I take it that is your opinion. It seems professional LE seems to have a different opinion.




Don't "seem" that way to me.
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Postby FloridaDoug » Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:39 am

resigned wrote:
henk wrote:
Sarge, I agree it's scary to let your 18 year old daughter go.. But what could happen in Barbados what could not happen in Myrtle Beach ? And I'm not talking about difficulties being in a different country..


At least in Myrtle Beach things wouldn't be blamed on the translation problems after LE screws up the case initially because of their laissez-faire attitude. :lol:


Maybe, but the case could end up unsolved along with many others in the USA
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Maybe, but the case could end up unsolved along with many others in the USA

.....at least there might have been a fighting chance to find out what happened if J2K wouldn't have had 10 days to see if a body "appeared" and what to do and say whether one did or it didn't.
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Postby yankee-in-france » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:13 am

resigned wrote:.....at least there might have been a fighting chance to find out what happened if J2K wouldn't have had 10 days to see if a body "appeared" and what to do and say whether one did or it didn't.


Pat, that is an excellent point. At the ten day mark, Joran could be more confident that her body wasn't coming back. I don't think 2K to this day know what happened to Natalee and I think that ALE knows that, but for Joran, those ten days were critical. If they had taken him into custody immediately, he wouldn't have been in the same position. IMO.
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Postby FloridaDoug » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:14 pm

resigned wrote:
FloridaDoug wrote:
Maybe, but the case could end up unsolved along with many others in the USA


.....at least there might have been a fighting chance to find out what happened if J2K wouldn't have had 10 days to see if a body "appeared" and what to do and say whether one did or it didn't.


Maybe and maybe not. The fact that J2K never helped look for Natalee is indicitive that they knew it was a waste of time. No body, no case, in Aruba, the USA, or anywhere.
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Postby jolari » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:18 pm

My thought/rant for the day--some may be offended. I suggest they just skip this little tirade of mine. Just my outlet..

What if, could have, should have & so on could keep us posting and reading for years. To me the point since 05/30/05 until today is that the whereabouts of a young women seems to be unknown. From what we have learned is that her last known whereabouts were in Aruba.

We can point out shortcomings of the LE there, in the USA, & any other location that one thinks relates to this case til the cows come home. We can discuss the missing persons numbers from any where in this big wide world, we can discuss whether we think Joran did it, her mother is involved, she is hiding etc. But the main reason most of us are here is that we do not know where Natalee is today, but we care and will continue to care until we know. It's like a boomerang--who can top who with the "worse" story.

It is horrible that three young men have been called all sorts of names, spent time in the Aruban prison and to this day nothing has been proven as to their guilt or innocence. It is horrible that it seems that those that care deeply about Natalee do not know where she is. Families have been torn apart, relationships have either grown stronger or been destoyed & if we have any ounce of common sense in us, we have to know that it is not unique to this case but to all families associated with a missing loved one.
We know how much it has consumed many of us. Dear God what does it do to those directly involved.?.

Insinuations, accusations, finger pointing, name calling and everything else that we do here on these blogs seems to have done nothing more than feed our own individual hungers. A young women is still missing and three young men have lived their lives under a cloud. Meanwhile we just go on and on........

I just have to thank God or the fates that my involvement is just as a reader and blogger.

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jolari wrote:My thought/rant for the day--some may be offended. I suggest they just skip this little tirade of mine. Just my outlet..

What if, could have, should have & so on could keep us posting and reading for years. To me the point since 05/31/05 until today is that the whereabouts of a young women seems to be unknown. From what we have learned is that her last known whereabouts were in Aruba.

We can point out shortcomings of the LE there, in the USA, & any other location that one thinks relates to this case til the cows come home. We can discuss the missing persons numbers from any where in this big wide world, we can discuss whether we think Joran did it, her mother is involved, she is hiding etc. But the main reason most of us are here is that we do not know where Natalee is today, but we care and will continue to care until we know. It's like a boomerang--who can top who with the "worse" story.

It is horrible that three young men have been called all sorts of names, spent time in the Aruban prison and to this day nothing has been proven as to their guilt or innocence. It is horrible that it seems that those that care deeply about Natalee do not know where she is. Families have been torn apart, relationships have either grown stronger or been destoyed & if we have any ounce of common sense in us, we have to know that it is not unique to this case but to all families associated with a missing loved one.
We know how much it has consumed many of us. Dear God what does it do to those directly involved.?.

Insinuations, accusations, finger pointing, name calling and everything else that we do here on these blogs seems to have done nothing more than feed our own individual hungers. A young women is still missing and three young men have lived their lives under a cloud. Meanwhile we just go on and on........

I just have to thank God or the fates that my involvement is just as a reader and blogger.



Not to be picky, but....Natalee has been missing since May 30, 2005 - last seen in a car with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

I think that the three young men put the cloud over their heads when they decided to lie about where they dropped off a missing person and then maintained that lie for 10 days.
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Postby iquitos » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:19 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:
Pat, that is an excellent point. At the ten day mark, Joran could be more confident that her body wasn't coming back. I don't think 2K to this day know what happened to Natalee and I think that ALE knows that, but for Joran, those ten days were critical. If they had taken him into custody immediately, he wouldn't have been in the same position. IMO.


the cops don't know what happened to her either. if joran didn't know what happened to her, he is not going to know after 10 days either.
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Postby sarge » Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:25 pm

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the cops don't know what happened to her either. if joran didn't know what happened to her, he is not going to know after 10 days either.



He would not have had time to be coached up either.
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the cops don't know what happened to her either. if joran didn't know what happened to her, he is not going to know after 10 days either.


One would have to believe that Joran doesn't know what happened to her to agree with that statement.......I don't. He may not know the exact location she is now - but he knows what "happened" to Natalee.
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Postby iquitos » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:50 pm

don't know either. otherwise, they would have tried and convicted someone years ago. Joran is quite the fool admitting what he did, if anything, since that would provide leads to possible witnesses. Is Daury still in NY? Seems he would be in a very vulnerable position where he might tell all.
Oh I forgot, Daury is just a figure of speech. Joran didn't mean that part but the rest is gospel except he changed that story too and said he sold her! i think Joran is full of shit and has no idea what happened to her.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:22 pm

resigned wrote:.....at least there might have been a fighting chance to find out what happened if J2K wouldn't have had 10 days to see if a body "appeared" and what to do and say whether one did or it didn't.


Even in Aruba LE has to have probable cause to arrest and imprison. Tell us- what reason did they have to detain and/or arrest JK2 in those 10 days? What?

They had nothing.
But that is all folks have against JK2 and ALE- a LACK of evidence or probable cause.

And they still have nothing.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:24 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:Maybe and maybe not. The fact that J2K never helped look for Natalee is indicitive that they knew it was a waste of time. No body, no case, in Aruba, the USA, or anywhere.


I strongly disagree.
No way, under any circumstances, especially THEIR circumstances, should JK2 have assisted in a search.

No way.
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Postby sarge » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:58 pm

WordsofWisdom wrote:
I strongly disagree.
No way, under any circumstances, especially THEIR circumstances, should JK2 have assisted in a search.

No way.


Why? :huh:
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