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Postby FloridaDoug » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:49 am

cajun_mali wrote:
FloridaDoug wrote:

1) They knew Natalee was not going to show up

2) The best way to deal with the press is to use it to your advantage by searching for Natalee and being televised. They knew it was a waste of time, and they were not smart enough to see the advantages of good publicity.

3) They knew Natalee was not going to show up


1) No they didn't.

2) The wasting time comment is just a repeat of one and three. It keeps us going in a silly circle where I say they didn't help because the did expect her to be found alive and a bit embarassed.

3) No they didn't.

Let's skip 1) and 3) for a while.


1) Yes they did

2) It is a silly circle

3) Yes they did
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Postby cajun_mali » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:54 am

FloridaDoug wrote:
1) Yes they did

2) It is a silly circle

3) Yes they did


It's pretty bad when we try to rationalize why they didn't search.

The ulimate truth, no matter what we believe or all that's been written, we simply don't know.
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Postby cajun_mali » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:56 am

FloridaDoug wrote:
They made inquiries and hand-out posters.


When did they put up the "kidapped" notes at Joran's school?
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you just can't make this shit up

Postby iquitos » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:50 am

excerpt

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460125,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you go to that school?

DEBARDELEBEN: We were looking for Joran. We wanted to talk to him and try to find out where he went, what school he attended, and just help in any way we possibly could to find Natalee.


VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, when you got to the school, did you talk to anybody?

ENNIS: Yes. We were told there was a school he went to. And we went to that school, and they said "No, he's not here." We had carried some of the posters we had that said "Missing" with Natalee's photograph on it to pass out to try to aid in the search for her.

And the chief of the school, he was the headmaster there, said he doesn't go to school here, and if you would, please don't put any more of these around my school. We said certainly, we won't do that.


On leaving we went across the street and got into a car. He came across the street, he actually jaywalked, and he said, "I wouldn't want my name used, to say that I told you this, but he goes to the International School, and he is there now, and I under he is sleeping over there, and possibly in a sleeping bag."

So we went to the International School straight from there. The headmaster at one of the other schools.

VAN SUSTEREN: Charlie, you then went to the International School. What happened when you got there?

DEBARDELEBEN: When we got there, we met the headmaster of the International School, myself and a couple other friends that were with us, and Mitch and another friend who stayed out in the lobby. And we spoke with the head master asking if he know the whereabouts of Joran or anything about Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you, Charlie?

DEBARDELEBEN: He told us some quite interesting facts, as a matter of fact, that Paulus and Joran had been there a day or two before, that Paulus was trying to explain with his son what had happened, and that he was trying to explain that his son had taken Natalee out to the light house, that she wanted to see sharks, that at some point she had fallen.

And he was just volunteering information, but also saying what a good boy Joran was and how the father was about to be a judge, and he was a very upstanding citizen of Aruba. And it was really apparent to us that he was doing the best he could to cover for him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, what was your impression of the headmaster. Did you get the sense that he was straight talking, or were you suspicious of him?

ENNIS: I was very suspicious because the first thing he said was she may have drowned, and the way these currents are they would carry her out to sea and we would never find the body.

He mentioned that the night she went missing, probably they could not tell that she came back to the hotel because the cameras were not working. How would he know these things unless he was coached into it?

And I was suspicious of what he had to say, because from day one this thing appeared to be a cover up. The police, it seems their main objective was to protect Joran, and the heck with finding Natalee.


VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you say that, Mitch?

ENNIS: Van der Straaten told us, he said "I don't think I could arrest my best friend's son. I am his godfather, and I honestly don't think that he's guilty. He is a witness."

And I said this is strange. That is the last person who saw her. And he said, "We are working on another angle on that." And that angle was the two black men that were security guards, they were going to try to blame it on them.

I felt like from day one we could tell that they did not want us there. They were very uncomfortable with us being around them because they were trying to cover it up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anybody else in the investigation that you met that you have a thought about whether the person was doing his job or her job or not, or that you're suspicious of?

ENNIS: One of the things that was really strange about it, Greta, to me was we had a meeting with them, and we had 25 questions to ask them. They would not answer a single one of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who are they, the police? Do you the police?

ENNIS: This is really the odd thing. The police are supposed to be investigating Natalee's disappearance. But they told us in the meeting that the investigation, the people in charge of it, was the Aruban tourism department, which I thought was a little bit strange.

It appeared to me that they were not trying to investigate anything. It was damage control. They were worried about tourism, not finding Natalee.
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Re: you just can't make this shit up

Postby WordsofWisdom » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:16 pm

iquitos wrote:you just can't make this shit up


Yeah, "Charlie" and "Mitch".......

Obviously they do not live in the real world.
Unbelievable.

That Nasty Aruban Police Force.
They wouldn't answer any questions posed by these self entitled asses.
Nor would the school... ahhhhh.

Wonder what would happen if the Mountain Brook police force was asked questions about an ongoing investigation by the media or parents of a possible runaway ADULT?

Wonder what would happen if someone went to MBHS and made inquiries about one of their students? Especially a student that was a minor child.

:roll:
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Re: you just can't make this shit up

Postby WordsofWisdom » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:22 pm

iquitos wrote:VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.

...snip

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you, Charlie?

DEBARDELEBEN: He told us some quite interesting facts, as a matter of fact, that Paulus and Joran had been there a day or two before


WTF. :roll:
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Re: you just can't make this shit up

Postby iquitos » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:52 pm

WordsofWisdom wrote:
Yeah, "Charlie" and "Mitch".......

Obviously they do not live in the real world.
Unbelievable.

That Nasty Aruban Police Force.
They wouldn't answer any questions posed by these self entitled asses.
Nor would the school... ahhhhh.

Wonder what would happen if the Mountain Brook police force was asked questions about an ongoing investigation by the media or parents of a possible runaway ADULT?

Wonder what would happen if someone went to MBHS and made inquiries about one of their students? Especially a student that was a minor child.

:roll:


if it was a black guy from aruba they would cuff him and haul him in for disorderly conduct.
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Postby cajun_mali » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:02 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:
2) The best way to deal with the press is to use it to your advantage by searching for Natalee and being televised. They knew it was a waste of time, and they were not smart enough to see the advantages of good publicity.


fear of nut cases.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460125,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you go to that school?

DEBARDELEBEN: We were looking for Joran. We wanted to talk to him and try to find out where he went, what school he attended, and just help in any way we possibly could to find Natalee.


VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, when you got to the school, did you talk to anybody?

ENNIS: Yes. We were told there was a school he went to. And we went to that school, and they said "No, he's not here." We had carried some of the posters we had that said "Missing" with Natalee's photograph on it to pass out to try to aid in the search for her.

And the chief of the school, he was the headmaster there, said he doesn't go to school here, and if you would, please don't put any more of these around my school. We said certainly, we won't do that.

On leaving we went across the street and got into a car. He came across the street, he actually jaywalked, and he said, "I wouldn't want my name used, to say that I told you this, but he goes to the International School, and he is there now, and I under he is sleeping over there, and possibly in a sleeping bag."

So we went to the International School straight from there. The headmaster at one of the other schools.

VAN SUSTEREN: Charlie, you then went to the International School. What happened when you got there?

DEBARDELEBEN: When we got there, we met the headmaster of the International School, myself and a couple other friends that were with us, and Mitch and another friend who stayed out in the lobby. And we spoke with the head master asking if he know the whereabouts of Joran or anything about Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you, Charlie?

DEBARDELEBEN: He told us some quite interesting facts, as a matter of fact, that Paulus and Joran had been there a day or two before, that Paulus was trying to explain with his son what had happened, and that he was trying to explain that his son had taken Natalee out to the light house, that she wanted to see sharks, that at some point she had fallen.

And he was just volunteering information, but also saying what a good boy Joran was and how the father was about to be a judge, and he was a very upstanding citizen of Aruba. And it was really apparent to us that he was doing the best he could to cover for him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch, what was your impression of the headmaster. Did you get the sense that he was straight talking, or were you suspicious of him?

ENNIS: I was very suspicious because the first thing he said was she may have drowned, and the way these currents are they would carry her out to sea and we would never find the body.

He mentioned that the night she went missing, probably they could not tell that she came back to the hotel because the cameras were not working. How would he know these things unless he was coached into it?

And I was suspicious of what he had to say, because from day one this thing appeared to be a cover up. The police, it seems their main objective was to protect Joran, and the heck with finding Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you say that, Mitch?

ENNIS: Van der Straaten told us, he said "I don't think I could arrest my best friend's son. I am his godfather, and I honestly don't think that he's guilty. He is a witness."

And I said this is strange. That is the last person who saw her. And he said, "We are working on another angle on that." And that angle was the two black men that were security guards, they were going to try to blame it on them.

I felt like from day one we could tell that they did not want us there. They were very uncomfortable with us being around them because they were trying to cover it up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anybody else in the investigation that you met that you have a thought about whether the person was doing his job or her job or not, or that you're suspicious of?

ENNIS: One of the things that was really strange about it, Greta, to me was we had a meeting with them, and we had 25 questions to ask them. They would not answer a single one of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who are they, the police? Do you the police?

ENNIS: This is really the odd thing. The police are supposed to be investigating Natalee's disappearance. But they told us in the meeting that the investigation, the people in charge of it, was the Aruban tourism department, which I thought was a little bit strange.

It appeared to me that they were not trying to investigate anything. It was damage control. They were worried about tourism, not finding Natalee.
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ruth knew who she set natalee up with

Postby iquitos » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 pm

someone knew she left the club with him. so why did they have to await the posse to look for him? ruth could have done it that night or first thing the next morning. she could have contacted joran and asked him where natalee is. tom twitty knew him too. instead they left "as scheduled" with all the witnesses and all the travel coordinators save one. what an odd thing to do.
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Postby petals » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:17 am

cajun_mali wrote:It appeared to me that they were not trying to investigate anything. It was damage control. They were worried about tourism, not finding Natalee.

Who is "they?" Debardeleben and Ennis?
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Re: you just can't make this shit up

Postby resigned » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:40 pm

iquitos wrote:
if it was a black guy from aruba they would cuff him and haul him in for disorderly conduct.



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Postby WordsofWisdom » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:15 pm

resigned wrote:.......Jones, or John? 8)


Oh you mean the "African Americans"? :roll:

Oh they weren't coached.. oh no way... :roll:
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Oh they weren't coached.. oh no way... :roll:


....ALE tried but that damn Deepak had to go and get diarrhea of the mouth. :lol:
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they would cuff

Postby iquitos » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:43 pm

deepak too. he is "black" enough.
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Postby FloridaDoug » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:18 am

cajun_mali wrote:
1) It's pretty bad when we try to rationalize why they didn't search.

2) The ulimate truth, no matter what we believe or all that's been written, we simply don't know.


1) Explain not rationalize. And why is it bad?

2) That can be said of everything we discuss
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Postby FloridaDoug » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:20 am

cajun_mali wrote:
FloridaDoug wrote:
They made inquiries and hand-out posters.


When did they put up the "kidapped" notes at Joran's school?


Early on, along with making inquiries
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:35 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:
Early on, along with making inquiries


VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.
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VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.



On what day did Debardelben come to Aruba?

He was NOT on the initial flight down with Beth, Jug, Jodi, Mat, and Ruffner. Iirc, it was on Wednesday or Thursday of the first week. June 1 or 2, 2005.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:04 am

resigned wrote:On what day did Debardelben come to Aruba?

He was NOT on the initial flight down with Beth, Jug, Jodi, Mat, and Ruffner. Iirc, it was on Wednesday or Thursday of the first week. June 1 or 2, 2005.


You sure about that?

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He is an atty. He's the one that got the Twitty's hooked up with the Souza woman, right away. Guess you could call it some kind of roleplay. Maybe, he was just advising his best friend with what he knew. Nothing sinister as everyone thinks. He was on that plane as Jug's best friend


The seven families vacation together, share holidays and weekend dinners and help raise each other's kids. When Beth married into the group five years ago, six couples joined her and Jug on their Mexican honeymoon. And when Natalee disappeared, those same six couples were at their side in Aruba.


Charles DeBardeleben Executive Vice President and General Counsel for Steward Machine Co., Inc. and President of Hardie-Tynes Co., Inc.

Currently, Charles serves on the board of directors for Steward Machine Co., Inc., Hardie-Tynes Co., Inc., and Deb Corporation. He is also active in a variety of community activities including the United Way, Rotary Club of Birmingham, YMCA, and The Redstone Club. Charles is a member of the Alabama State Bar Association.



Do you know who was on that FIRST (of many) McWane planes to/from Aruba?

Why wouldn't he be on that plane with Jug?

I will look further when I have some time...
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:05 am

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VAN SUSTEREN: After you met with Van der Sloot, did there come a time when you went to the International school? I mean Van Der Straaten.

DEBARDELEBEN: Yes, Greta. We actually went there the next day.


How many McWane planes took folks to Aruba that day (and the next) ?
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Postby cajun_mali » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:13 am

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1) Explain not rationalize. And why is it bad?

2) That can be said of everything we discuss


!) If don't know the facts, it's a rationalization.

2) No. We know j2k were never brought to court, nor even formally charged, for any crime. We know j2k told a lie. We know there were minor differences amoung the 20 or so signed and unsigned statements. We know a lot, but most don't go to the central question of what happened to Natalee.
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Postby cajun_mali » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:18 am

petals wrote:Who is "they?" Debardeleben and Ennis?


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Postby iquitos » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:18 am

with jar?
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Postby henk » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:22 am

WordsofWisdom wrote:

Do you know who was on that FIRST (of many) McWane planes to/from Aruba?

Why wouldn't he be on that plane with Jug?

I will look further when I have some time...


You don't have to look far, WoW.. It's in the same article cajun_mali posted above... :D

VAN SUSTEREN: Mitch and Charlie, thank you both for joining us.

MITCHELL ENNIS, MET WITH JORAN'S HEADMASTER: You're very welcome.

CHARLES DEBARDELEBEN, MET WITH JORAN'S HEADMASTER: You're very welcome.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let me start first with you, Mitch. When do you about, do you remember arriving in Aruba 2005?

ENNIS: Yes--Wednesday morning, about 11:00 o'clock.


VAN SUSTEREN: What did you do when you got there, Mitch? What was the day like?

ENNIS: First thing we did is we went straight to the hotel to meet Jug and Beth. And we got there, met them. And then the first person we talked to was the chief of police. I think his name was Jan van der Straaten.

VAN SUSTEREN: Charlie, were you with Mitch this whole? Did you arrive with him?

DEBARDELEBEN: I sure did. I was with him the whole time.


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WordsofWisdom wrote:

Do you know who was on that FIRST (of many) McWane planes to/from Aruba?

Why wouldn't he be on that plane with Jug?

I will look further when I have some time...



Then you will say that you were wrong? :lol:
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