Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

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Postby WangChung » Wed May 11, 2011 7:28 pm

Linda in L.A. wrote:
Ok...so now I'll need to go back and see if my memory is actually as bad as I sometimes think it is...lol.


I don't think your memory is bad, Linda, and, despite our past disagreements, I respect your opinion. You'll hang in there until she's hauled away in chains. :lol:

Seriously, as you go back and read the archives, please take a look at my posts. Present in the early reams of vile satire and commentary I authored are my predictions of Beth's impending love affair with avarice, dishonesty and fame. And the eventual results. Lookey what came true. :lol:

* I nailed the divorce on the head.

* Beth's presence in a gambling casino when she got 'the call', not a "quaint bed & breakfast" as initially claimed.

* Natalee's unmasking as a normal teenager, not the virginal donation cow Beth sold the media.

* Jug's propensity for drunken violence.

* Beth and Jug's now well-documented and abhorrent behavior while comped guests at various Aruban resorts.

* Beth and Jug's milking everyone in sight for 'freebies' and the petulant response non-cooperating milkees could expect. (Delta Airlines - "We Love To Fly!" - but not for free. :lol: )

* Beth and Jug's latent racism, later confirmed as overt racism. ("Aruban assholes!!")

* The sudden appearance of new motor vehicles in the Happy Twitty Family while Beth was soliciting and accepting financial donations from the public for "The Natalee Holloway Trust Fund". (Jug's new Harley, Matt's new Toyota, Beth's new Lexus)

* I foretold Beth's eventual dependency on cosmetic surgery, although I might have referred to it as "a head transplant".

* The book, media tours and resulting poorly-attended autograph sessions.

* Beth's goal to be a "teevee star".

* The lengths Beth would go to in order to become a teevee star.

* The starf**king Beth would engage in, if necessary, to become a teevee star. (Geraldo, John Ramsey, Greta, Joe M., :lol: Televangelist :lol: Robert Schuller and others as it would turn out.)

I could go on, but you'll get a better 'picture' of my educated guesses, and their results, as you peruse the archives. Happy reading! :D

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Postby billybob » Wed May 11, 2011 9:05 pm

Linda in L.A. wrote:
So you are saying they will turn the money down as long as the court says they were wronged?



I certainly hope not for what they have been through and certainly for all their legal expenses. But this was never ever about the money for the Kalpoe brothers always about Dr. Phil admitting what he did on that show was wrong and not true.
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Postby Linda in L.A. » Thu May 12, 2011 5:13 am

billybob wrote:

I certainly hope not for what they have been through and certainly for all their legal expenses. But this was never ever about the money for the Kalpoe brothers always about Dr. Phil admitting what he did on that show was wrong and not true.


Then sorry Billybob...your comment makes no sense to me. It's either about the money...or not about the money...but it can't be both. I can see getting angry and suing Dr. Phil. I can see wanting him punished. Heck, I can even see taking the money. But if they (or is it just what you think they want??) want to say its not about the money...then don't take the money. They want Dr. Phil punished? Fine...make him pay and they can donate any monies left. Or man up and say hell yeah we want the money.
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Postby Linda in L.A. » Thu May 12, 2011 5:23 am

WangChung wrote:Last quote does not exists!


You are so right Wang...I "will" hang in there until she is in chains. I was one who sat on the fence forever regarding Joran. Jumped right down once he described how Natalee died on the video. I understand totalally he is a liar and that could have all been made up. Either way...it showed me how little emotion he held for her. People can say all they want he was just a kid, or he is a liar, or "on and on". But a normal kid doesn't act like he did.

He wants to whine because he was followed by the media? Then he needed to stop giving bogus stories. Just my opinion...but I own it.

I will go back and read as soon as I can. I wasn't able to tonight. But predictions are not facts and while I will reserve judgment until I DO read...I'm not so sure what you listed was actually predictions. I think it was discussion of how you saw events as they unfolded.

But give me a chance...I want to read more for myself than anything else. Appreciate your post though with no attack for my opinion :)
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Postby billybob » Thu May 12, 2011 5:41 am

Linda in L.A. wrote:Then sorry Billybob...your comment makes no sense to me. It's either about the money...or not about the money...but it can't be both. I can see getting angry and suing Dr. Phil. I can see wanting him punished. Heck, I can even see taking the money. But if they (or is it just what you think they want??) want to say its not about the money...then don't take the money. They want Dr. Phil punished? Fine...make him pay and they can donate any monies left. Or man up and say hell yeah we want the money.



If Dr. Phil would have admitted up front immediately the show did wrong there would have been no suing for money. It is obvious the tape was altered. so after that money becomes apart of the natural way with lawyers and courts. but the size or amount of whatever settlement might be gotten is not the primary motivation, but clearing their name from that horrible broadcast of lies and the subsequent rampage of Beth taking those lies and going on every newscast she could for weeks.
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Postby Linda in L.A. » Thu May 12, 2011 11:43 am

Again I'll ask you Billybob. Is this your opinion of why they sued and their purpose...or is this something they have told you personally?
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Postby PerryPeabody » Thu May 12, 2011 12:05 pm

billybob wrote:I certainly hope not for what they have been through and certainly for all their legal expenses. But this was never ever about the money for the Kalpoe brothers always about Dr. Phil admitting what he did on that show was wrong and not true.


You are partially right and partially wrong. When the Kalpoes shopped for attorneys to take the case, financial compensation was certainly something they wanted to achieve. You are right that they wanted and want an admission that what was presented as having been said on the tape was not what was said and that the tape had been manipulated.
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Postby yankee-in-france » Thu May 12, 2011 12:15 pm

billybob wrote:If Dr. Phil would have admitted up front immediately the show did wrong there would have been no suing for money. It is obvious the tape was altered. so after that money becomes apart of the natural way with lawyers and courts. but the size or amount of whatever settlement might be gotten is not the primary motivation, but clearing their name from that horrible broadcast of lies and the subsequent rampage of Beth taking those lies and going on every newscast she could for weeks.


... oh, the naivete, perhaps BB you or yours have never been in the position of being a defendant, most of us haven't, but attorneys will tell every defendant they represent never to admit anything.

... hmmm, having said that, I think that what Dr. Phil did was reprehensible and I hope that the Kalpoes get a judgment. I don't know that the will. I suspect that they have a problem with complying with court orders and appearances, but whatever ... I don't think that you speak for the Kalpoes, and we do remember that the Kalpoes did join in on the Joran lies. I think that they are totally innocent of any wrongdoing, but nonetheless, they did lie.
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Postby Black-Tulip » Thu May 12, 2011 12:25 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:
... oh, the naivete, perhaps BB you or yours have never been in the position of being a defendant, most of us haven't, but attorneys will tell every defendant they represent never to admit anything.

... hmmm, having said that, I think that what Dr. Phil did was reprehensible and I hope that the Kalpoes get a judgment. I don't know that the will. I suspect that they have a problem with complying with court orders and appearances, but whatever ... I don't think that you speak for the Kalpoes, and we do remember that the Kalpoes did join in on the Joran lies. I think that they are totally innocent of any wrongdoing, but nonetheless, they did lie.


They lied to help a friend. Not out of self interest.

How could they know Natalee would never return? At that moment it was a rather innocent lie. Happens all the time with teenagers.

But what Dr. Phil did is really disgusting.
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Postby resigned » Thu May 12, 2011 1:50 pm

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They lied to help a friend. Not out of self interest.

How could they know Natalee would never return? At that moment it was a rather innocent lie. Happens all the time with teenagers.

But what Dr. Phil did is really disgusting.


We don't know why they lied or when their lying stopped - only that they didn't drop Natalee at the Holiday Inn as they initially claimed.

They are each other's alibi. Not exactly rock solid by any standards.
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Postby Black-Tulip » Thu May 12, 2011 2:08 pm

resigned wrote:
We don't know why they lied or when their lying stopped - only that they didn't drop Natalee at the Holiday Inn as they initially claimed.

They are each other's alibi. Not exactly rock solid by any standards.


Whatever. Still that has nothing to do with the altered tape and Dr. Phil's defraud.
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Postby dugo » Thu May 12, 2011 2:10 pm

resigned wrote:We don't know why they lied or when their lying stopped - only that they didn't drop Natalee at the Holiday Inn as they initially claimed.

They are each other's alibi. Not exactly rock solid by any standards.


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Postby resigned » Thu May 12, 2011 2:38 pm

dugo wrote:
Plaintiffs are not on trial, Dr Phil is.


That's what they think. :lol:

( I was replying to BT comment regarding why they lied - so it was in that context) We don't know why they lied or when and if the lying ever stopped.
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Postby resigned » Thu May 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phil

Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST by Josh Grossberg


He usually focuses on relationship problems, but even Dr. Phil couldn't resist joining the media circus surrounding the Natalie Holloway case. And now it may cost him.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, teenage brothers who were once considered prime suspects in the 18-year-old's May 30, 2005, disappearance while vacationing in Aruba, is suing the Dr. Phil show, claiming they were defamed on national TV.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

The episode in question aired Sept. 15, 2005, on the nationally syndicated show, days after the brothers were released from custody by Aruban police. Holloway was last seen getting in a car with the siblings and Dutch teen Joran Van Der Sloot, but authorities said they lacked sufficient evidence to hold the teens, in part because investigators could not determine whether Holloway was dead or alive since her body had yet to be found.

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

Per court documents, McGraw & Co. specifically implied that the siblings slipped Holloway a date-rape drug, forced her to have nonconsensual sex and then supposedly aided in killing her and hiding the body, allegations which the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot have denied.

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

The suit claims Deepak Kalpoe agreed to the sit-down with the P.I. in the assumption that Skeeter might help clear him and his brother. Skeeter allegedly told Kalpoe that the gruff McGraw was a "god" who could "influence a country" and help their case.

After months of searching for the missing young woman, Aruban investigators shifted their probe away from the brothers and Van Der Sloot to pursue other leads. The case remains unsolved.

A lawyer for the Kalpoes could not be reached for comment Friday. Their suit seeks unspecified general, special and punitive damages.

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

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They are shooting for the stars regarding something that is done everyday on US TV. They were arrested again after the lawsuit was filed - I guess that was Dr. Phil's fault too.

I still want to see the FBI and NFI analysis of the actual tapes - because 6 years later I still don't know what tape is what and why Roger/Scrux would have been provided with any tape to have translated. I'm not as gullible as I once was. :D
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Postby billybob » Thu May 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Maybe because ALE trusted him as a man of high character, was considered an expert in the field of computer forensics and trusted that he would be able to discover exactly what was said on those recordings and allow it to be shown to anyone that cared to listen. :x



And by the way they are not tapes, but "recordings"
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Postby Black-Tulip » Thu May 12, 2011 4:57 pm

resigned wrote: I'm not as gullible as I once was. :D


:high:

worse :lol:
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Postby CherokeeKid » Thu May 12, 2011 5:24 pm

:tup: :lol:
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billybob wrote:Maybe because ALE trusted him as a man of high character, was considered an expert in the field of computer forensics and trusted that he would be able to discover exactly what was said on those recordings and allow it to be shown to anyone that cared to listen. :x



And by the way they are not tapes, but "recordings"


I don't believe that ALE released any tapes to an internet poster. That's nonsense. :roll:

...Or recordings. :lol:
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Postby resigned » Thu May 12, 2011 5:33 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
:high:

worse :lol:


To quote the legendary singer Dionne Warwick:

"I got your number, hussy" :laughat:
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Postby charlierat » Thu May 12, 2011 5:56 pm

From the Huffington Post:

In a previous interview with AOL News, Babcock [a member of Dr'ed Phil's legal team] said he suspected there was more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys, Babcock alleged in the March interview. "Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," he said. "These guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys pursuing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

A spokesperson for the Aruba Tourism Authority told HuffPost that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 58689.html

When I read the above, my first reaction was disbelief. Then I remembered that Dr'ed Phil's legal team actually cited scared monKKKeys as a fact source in one of their pleadings. That's when it started to add up.

I would have thought that Dr'ed Phil et al. could afford better lawyers than that.
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Postby billybob » Thu May 12, 2011 6:11 pm

resigned wrote:
I don't believe that ALE released any tapes to an internet poster. That's nonsense. :roll:

...Or recordings. :lol:
to you he was an Internet poster but not to ALE. To them he was an expert that could find the truth.
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Postby iquitos » Thu May 12, 2011 6:19 pm

WangChung wrote:Last quote does not exists!


Thanks wang for putting on your serious hat and telling it (again) like it is. Always great to hear from you.
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Postby resigned » Thu May 12, 2011 6:44 pm

billybob wrote:to you he was an Internet poster but not to ALE. To them he was an expert that could find the truth.


Did they consult with iwabwu too? :lol: :lol:

An expert. Oh please. :roll:


Someone may have gave Roger some recording but that doesn't mean it came from ALE or that it is an orignal copy of Skeeter's hard drive recording.

I'll wait until the documents of the analysis from the NFI and FBI are shown .
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Postby AlwaysL8 » Thu May 12, 2011 7:15 pm

resigned wrote:Last quote does not exists!


I'm wondering what happened to all the "innocent until proven guilty"?

n/m, that only applies to joran. :roll:
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AlwaysL8 wrote:
I'm wondering what happened to all the "innocent until proven guilty"?

n/m, that only applies to joran. :roll:


Just Joran. The poor little rich kid from a nice family. He doesn't "look" like a killer....
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