A renewed direction

[Slickster]

from the beginning. nobody has anything on him. he is by all accounts a first rate cop.

"the mb folks demonized jan"
Oh yes. mb is the background for this whole thing.
They are growing weary with their same 'ol taglines.

[resigned]

from the beginning. nobody has anything on him. he is by all accounts a first rate cop.

By all accounts!!! - geesh - you don't read much do ya?

You mean by Dutch and Aruba accounts - except for that nasty Arubas Rudy Croes...and a few others.

[iquitos]

By all accounts!!! - geesh - you don't read much do ya?

You mean by Dutch and Aruba accounts - except for that nasty Arubas Rudy Croes...and a few others.

rudi the guy who said nothing until a few years later when he had been minister of justice the whole time and ultimately responsible? the "investigation" then came up croppers. you are the great speculator on this subject and it is all fumes.

[K_Meine]

To be a realist, I can kinda "forgive" Jan on this one. Perhaps he spoke too candidly; but the facts at the time time were that you had a young woman who had vanished in a very small foreign land, without money, passport, or any other means that would even hint at a runaway situation; so really after two or three days you would know that it wasn't going to end well.

Yes, there are exceptions, but those exceptions are far between and they make international news for a reason.

I appreciate your thoughts on this one Flippy. However, the other statements regarding Joran going to a mental institution and not letting whatever happen to his friend Paulus do keep me a little suspicious. Didn't he also try to break up a search party early on? All I'm saying is I wouldn't find it surprising at all that, like Joran, Jan knows more about what really happened than he told anyone. You can't cover and uncover the truth at the same time. IMO, he likely helped his friend Paulus out of a jam, which is admirable, but this wasn't the occasion to do so.

[iquitos]

for less than a month.

[K_Meine]

from the beginning. nobody has anything on him. he is by all accounts a first rate cop.

Why would a first rate cop wait 10 days to start an investigation? I would be interested to know exactly what "accounts" you are referring to in reference to Jan being first rate. AFAIC, ANYONE who had something to lose in Natalee's disappearance is/was suspicious and IMO Jan did as much as Paulus, Joran and Aruba.

[Knipoog]

Why would a first rate cop wait 10 days to start an investigation? I would be interested to know exactly what "accounts" you are referring to in reference to Jan being first rate. AFAIC, ANYONE who had something to lose in Natalee's disappearance is/was suspicious and IMO Jan did as much as Paulus, Joran and Aruba.

Here we go again. Unbelievable.
You never learn.
Now I understand why you don't understand a ιωτα.

[K_Meine]

Here we go again. Unbelievable.
You never learn.
Now I understand why you don't understand a ιωτα.

Nice deflection by failing to answer any of the questions.

[Knipoog]

Nice deflection by failing to answer any of the questions.

You make a statement that isn't the truth and then you ask why.

There is no possible answer.

[resigned]

You make a statement that isn't the truth and then you ask why.

There is no possible answer.

Surely there is an answer as to why they arrested the security guards but not Paulus's son and his buddies first. Besides they used to bum cigarettes and hit on the tourist girls....or cuz J2K pointed out they left Natalee with a guard.

[Knipoog]

Surely there is an answer as to why they arrested the security guards but not Paulus's son and his buddies first. Besides they used to bum cigarettes and hit on the tourist girls....or cuz J2K pointed out they left Natalee with a guard.

That was not stated by KM.

Do you need new reading glasses or what?

[resigned]

That was not stated by KM.

Do you need new reading glasses or what?

I'll have the "what" ....what?

I don't limit myself to just the questions KM asks...do you need a PM button or what? ...what?

[patricehenri]

I appreciate your thoughts on this one Flippy. However, the other statements regarding Joran going to a mental institution and not letting whatever happen to his friend Paulus do keep me a little suspicious. Didn't he also try to break up a search party early on? All I'm saying is I wouldn't find it surprising at all that, like Joran, Jan knows more about what really happened than he told anyone. You can't cover and uncover the truth at the same time. IMO, he likely helped his friend Paulus out of a jam, which is admirable, but this wasn't the occasion to do so.

None of this is verified. How is it you cling onto this after all these years? Mock confession scrap pieces of paper dived from dumpsters that ended up translated 3 ways on a pathetic little blog on the internet.

If one can't grasp the source what hope is there?

That's right.

"who cares, where's Natalee"

[dugo]

Nice deflection by failing to answer any of the questions.

Nice loaded question.

[Black-Tulip]

Nice loaded question.

The proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.


GrannyToad would say: Plurium Interrogationum

[K_Meine]

iquitos wrote:
from the beginning. nobody has anything on him. he is by all accounts a first rate cop.

Iquitos, you've expressed your thoughts and feelings in regards to Jan. I'm interested in how you came to those conclusions.

1. "Nobody has anything on him". Nobody has anything on Joran. Is that a coincidence? The police are supposed to be the most upstanding citizens there are yet the investigation into Natalee's disappearance didn't start in a very timely manner because Paulus was his buddy and that notion was confirmed by Rudy Croes.

2. You said by all accounts he is a first rate cop inferring there is a reason you feel that way. I don't recall any media highlighting how he was a first rate cop so are you just saying that or did you read it somewhere?

And yes he was only on "the case" for a month. Just enough time to help and then run. BTW, I admit I have no proof whatsoever but Jan did say, according to media outlets, some pretty suspicious things.

IMO some crazy things went on those first few days and it's the people who were around then who need to be requestioned. AFAIC, there were only so many people around in the beginning who had the power and/or knowledge to make this situation disappear. Joran couldn't do it alone so IMO we're left with Paulus(dec.) and Jan. Maybe Jan is the first rate cop some thinks he is. I just think of all the people left he's a very likely source of untold information.

[Slickster]

iquitos wrote:
from the beginning. nobody has anything on him. he is by all accounts a first rate cop.

Iquitos, you've expressed your thoughts and feelings in regards to Jan. I'm interested in how you came to those conclusions.

1. "Nobody has anything on him". Nobody has anything on Joran. Is that a coincidence? The police are supposed to be the most upstanding citizens there are yet the investigation into Natalee's disappearance didn't start in a very timely manner because Paulus was his buddy and that notion was confirmed by Rudy Croes.

2. You said by all accounts he is a first rate cop inferring there is a reason you feel that way. I don't recall any media highlighting how he was a first rate cop so are you just saying that or did you read it somewhere?

And yes he was only on "the case" for a month. Just enough time to help and then run. BTW, I admit I have no proof whatsoever but Jan did say, according to media outlets, some pretty suspicious things.

IMO some crazy things went on those first few days and it's the people who were around then who need to be requestioned. AFAIC, there were only so many people around in the beginning who had the power and/or knowledge to make this situation disappear. Joran couldn't do it alone so IMO we're left with Paulus(dec.) and Jan. Maybe Jan is the first rate cop some thinks he is. I just think of all the people left he's a very likely source of untold information.

KMeine overlooks/likes to overlook the fact that POS Betty did EVERYTHING in her power to keep the police OUT of the investigation.
And again, Paulus played no role in Jan's decisions whatsoever.
Rudy Croes told more lies and half truths. Went with the wind.

[iquitos]

the responsible jobs in antilles law enforcement. they seem to be just fine with him but the board gossips/smearers "know" better.

[resigned]

the responsible jobs in antilles law enforcement. they seem to be just fine with him but the board gossips/smearers "know" better.

And why again did he leave the Police Commish's job a month after Natalee disappeared? High profile case - IMO, it's strange he didn't stay to 'solve' the case. What did he know and when did he know it?

[CherokeeKid]

And why again did he leave the Police Commish's job a month after Natalee disappeared? High profile case - IMO, it's strange he didn't stay to 'solve' the case. What did he know and when did he know it?

It was just four weeks into Natalee's disappearance. No one could have predicted that it would turn into a high-profile case the way it it. Many times, when a person goes missing, the media stays on the story for a few weeks or months.

Jan van der Straten had already made arrangements for his retirement and return to the Netherlands months before Natalee went missing.

He was not the only one to oversee the case. Dolphi Richardson was on the case from the start. Dompig and his team worked intensely on the case. And a team of FBI agents were on Aruba from June 2 on to assist in the case.

[resigned]

It was just four weeks into Natalee's disappearance. No one could have predicted that it would turn into a high-profile case the way it it. Many times, when a person goes missing, the media stays on the story for a few weeks or months.

Jan van der Straten had already made arrangements for his retirement and return to the Netherlands months before Natalee went missing.

He was not the only one to oversee the case. Dolphi Richardson was on the case from the start. Dompig and his team worked intensely on the case. And a team of FBI agents were on Aruba from June 2 on to assist in the case.

Appreciate your expertise on Jan. Why's he still working if he retired? Bad pension planning?

[CherokeeKid]

Appreciate your expertise on Jan. Why's he still working if he retired? Bad pension planning?

Not necessarily. Many people return to work after they retired. Maybe he was bored. Maybe he got a great offer. Maybe he missed living in the Caribbean.

Just a few thoughts. Jan van der Straten would be the one to answer it.

[Emily]

Appreciate your expertise on Jan. Why's he still working if he retired? Bad pension planning?

REQUEST FOR VD STRATEN
It was 2 to 3 years ago that the Antilles made the first attempt to seek vd Straten to work in Bonaire. “But my contract (in Aruba) was to end in August 15, 2005, so there wasn’t a possibility to go”, vd Straten said to this publication. He will procure to finalize this re-organization in Aruba first. After the invitation from the current Minister of Justice of the Anitlles, David Dick, he accepted the position. It was after two months passed that he spoke to his colleague and current Bonaire police chief Gerold Daantje.

[resigned]

REQUEST FOR VD STRATEN
It was 2 to 3 years ago that the Antilles made the first attempt to seek vd Straten to work in Bonaire. “But my contract (in Aruba) was to end in August 15, 2005, so there wasn’t a possibility to go”, vd Straten said to this publication. He will procure to finalize this re-organization in Aruba first. After the invitation from the current Minister of Justice of the Anitlles, David Dick, he accepted the position. It was after two months passed that he spoke to his colleague and current Bonaire police chief Gerold Daantje.

Does that say somewhere that he retired to the Netherlands......I must have missed it?

I recall one version where it was claimed that it was common for them to "rotate" commisioners between the Netherland Antilles. Hard to believe any of it. He may have been demoted to Bonaire for his "help" in the Holloway case - it's not like anyone is gonna to issue a presser claiming such...

[resigned]

Not necessarily. Many people return to work after they retired. Maybe he was bored. Maybe he got a great offer. Maybe he missed living in the Caribbean.

Just a few thoughts. Jan van der Straten would be the one to answer it.

But you did it for him.....I thought you would like the opportunity to follow-up on his life since you seem to know him so well.