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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:29 pm

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Gwen this sounds so hypocritical on your part. Isn't this exactly what you and your partner Mimi do here constantly to promote your radical liberal agenda? Just sayen. :wink:


No as you won't find me repeatedly making remarks such as these:

Eliza wrote:Yawn. Big yawn. Who cares about Palin, the "2nd amendment", and all those other liberal "red herring."

We have soldiers beling killed in AfPak, a health care crisis looming, a housing and foreclosure crisis, a fragile economy, inflation, rising fuel prices, deepening unemployment, and a disengaged president.

Drill baby drill. Who gives a flying flip about Palin or Hannity?

The folks are wising up to liberal indocrination and manipulation, especially by the corrupt organized radical liberal media mafia and their dishonest pundits.
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Postby resigned » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:32 pm

gwen wrote:Eliza...Who is Ken Krueger????? TIA

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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:35 pm

resigned wrote:Ken Krueger
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Thanks.

So really no one of any authority...which is what I figured.
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:05 pm

Reclusive Loughners Seen Meeting Public Defender
Parents of Suspect Jared Loughner Had Remained in Seclusion since Shooting Rampage in Tucson


(CBS/AP) TUCSON - Amy and Randy Loughner were photographed leaving their home Monday for a trip to Phoenix to visit their son's public defender.

The couple, wearing dark sunglasses and leather jackets, have remained in seclusion since the Jan. 8 shooting. Their son Jared Loughner, 22, is the suspect.

The Loughners issued a statement last week requesting privacy.

"This is a very difficult time for us," reads the statement. "We ask the media to respect our privacy. There are no words that can possibly express how we feel. We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened.

"It may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events of Saturday," the statement continues. "We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss."

Mark Kelly, the wife of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in the hospital after being shot in the head, said he would be willing to meet with the Loughners. Kelly, who has two teenage daughters from a previous marriage, said the parents have to be in a tremendous amount of pain.

"I don't think it's their fault. It's not the parents fault," Kelly told ABC in an interview with Diane Sawyer that is set to air Tuesday. "You know, I'd like to think I'm a person that's, you know, somewhat forgiving. And, I mean, they've got to be hurting in this situation as much as much as anybody."

In the days since the shooting, numerous bits of information have emerged that paint a portrait of the 22-year-old Loughner as a disturbed man who alienated most of those around him. His relationship with his father has been described by people who knew the family as strained.

On the morning of the shooting, Loughner was seen running into the desert as his father chased after him - a scene that took place after his father saw him removing a mysterious black bag from the family's car. According to authorities, Loughner purchased ammunition that morning and was later pulled over for running a red light.

Many have felt sympathy for the Lougherners. Last week, people dropped off flowers and cards at their home.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that so far, a team of 250 federal investigators and 130 local detectives have conducted more than 300 interviews with Loughner's friends, family and neighbors since the shooting, but don't know what prompted his violent rampage.

Investigators have had little success gaining information from either the uncooperative Loughner or his parents, who have told authorities that they had little recent contact with their son, law enforcement sources told the Post.

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Amy and Randy Loughner, seen leaving their Tucson home, Jan. 17, 2011. (CBS)

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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:17 pm

Videos show Tucson shooting in detail, sources say

TUCSON - Safeway store surveillance videos clearly show Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being shot in the face above the left eye from about two to three feet away by accused gunman Jared Loughner, who moments later killed U.S. District Judge John Roll as he tried to take cover under a table, two sources who have viewed the footage said Tuesday.

Roll appears to be also trying to help Ron Barber, who was wounded in the attack, as Roll is seen on the video pushing Barber to the ground and getting on top of him, the sources said.

Authorities have recovered nearly two dozen surveillance videos from inside and outside the Tucson grocery store that was the site of the shooting rampage on Jan. 8 that killed six and wounded 13. The videos are likely to provide critical evidence as Loughner faces trial on murder charges.

Investigators believe Loughner entered the store bathroom to put on earplugs minutes before the rampage. He is seen on video talking to a clerk while pointing toward his own ears.

"He's going, 'Can't you see I've got ear plugs on,' " said one source who viewed the video. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

In addition to watching the videos, investigators also have interviewed a friend of Loughner's who told them that sometime between Christmas and New Year's Day, Loughner showed the friend his gun. When the friend asked why he needed a firearm, Loughner responded, "For protection around the house," the sources said.

The friend did not report the incident at the time. He told his father about the episode after hearing that Loughner had been arrested Jan. 8, and the father contacted law enforcement officials, the sources said.

The videos create a vivid picture of Loughner's movements through the Safeway store, which he entered sometime after 9:54 a.m., until he opened fire on the crowd at about 10:10 a.m., the sources said. The footage is now in possession of the FBI, which has declined to release it and is holding it as evidence for a potential trial.

In the clearest of the Safeway videos, Loughner is seen emerging from the south entrance, then looping around a table that was set up outside for Giffords's "Congress on Your Corner" event with constituents. He is "hurriedly walking," one source said, then approaches Giffords head-on and shoots his first bullet into her face, where it struck her just above the left eye and exited out the back of her skull.

"He walks up, goes bang. It's very clear," one source said. "He is maybe 24 to 36 inches away. You can see her go straight down."

Loughner then turns to his left and begins firing on a crowd of people who were sitting in seats and standing in line for the event. They are not seen on this video, but the camera captures muzzle flashes from the gunfire, the source said.

The video then shows Loughner turning back to his right, where 65-year-old Ron Barber, Giffords's district director, and Roll are standing. He is seen shooting Barber, who reaches for his left shoulder, the sources said.

At that point, "Judge Roll starts to push Barber down on the ground and lay on top of Barber, and they start to scamper under the table, but Roll is on top," one source said. "At that point, you can see the suspect shoot Roll. Roll gets shot in the back, then he sort of appears halfway on the other side of the table. He starts to look over his right shoulder, and then he lays back down. It took out his aorta is what the autopsy showed."

That particular video cuts off at that point, the source said, though other videos from the store show Loughner continuing to fire until he has expended his entire magazine. At that point, he was tackled by bystanders.

Loughner shot 32 bullets, the sources said, one more than had been previously reported. A woman who had been at the scene found a spent casing in her purse a couple of days after the incident and reported it to police, the sources said. Though the extended magazine clip Loughner used holds only 31 bullets, investigators now believe he had an additional bullet loaded in the chamber when he began the attack.

The sources also said that investigators interviewed Loughner's parents, Randy and Amy, shortly after the attack and do not believe they had any knowledge that their son was planning it.

Though investigators were forced to break down the rear door of the Loughners' house while serving the warrant shortly after the attack, the parents told them they had barricaded the doors because of unwanted attention from reporters. The parents have cooperated with the investigation and have sought refuge away from their house because of the intense media presence there, the sources said.

Also, sources provided more details about photographs that Loughner dropped off at a Walgreens store and picked up the morning of the shooting. The pictures included one of the gun and others of him holding the gun and wearing a red G-string. The sources said that Walgreens policy is to make copies of suspicious-looking photos, which the store clerks did with Loughner's pictures.

He posted one of them on MySpace at about 4 a.m. the morning of the shooting with a message that began, "Goodbye friends," investigators have said. Walgreens turned over the photos to authorities after learning of the shooting. The photos are in the custody of the FBI, which has declined to release them publicly.

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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:54 pm

gwen wrote:
Thanks.

So really no one of any authority...which is what I figured.


Just an author. Not a "copy and paste" minion. :lol:
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:03 pm

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Just an author. Not a "copy and paste" minion. :lol:


Pffff...make fun all you like, but seems it would be to your benefit to at least read more than one article before your next "copy and paste".


FYI...Ken Krueger, St Louis, who was your reference in your "copy and paste"....

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Ken has been a recording artist, touring performer, nightclub production manager, talent agent, concert production manager, event producer, event planner, corporate production manager, corporate entertainment booker and producer, national concert promoter and Production Director of a large event marketing agency. In short, Ken brings a vast array of experience to bear on a wide variety of entertainment and marketing projects.


WOW - that's impressive...bet he has immense knowledge of the shootings in Tucson. :roll:
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:12 pm

gwen wrote:

FYI...Ken Krueger, St Louis, who was your reference in your "copy and paste"....

WOW - that's impressive...bet he has immense knowledge of the shootings in Tucson. :roll:


Gwennie, you're just a storehouse of information. All that "schooling" paid off! :lol:

I never claimed to do op-eds for the NYT. Do you have a point?

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch published Mr. Krueger's piece and it was the most commented on story of the day.
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:12 pm

Ken Krueger....

Letters to the Editor

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Postby Mimiof5 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:17 pm

Eliza wrote:
Gwen this sounds so hypocritical on your part. Isn't this exactly what you and your partner Mimi do here constantly to promote your radical liberal agenda? Just sayen. :wink:


Mimi hasn't been here constantly but you sure have. It's impossible to take anything you post even remotely seriously after this dimwitted drool:

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Yawn. Big yawn. Who cares about Palin, the "2nd amendment", and all those other liberal "red herring."

We have soldiers beling killed in AfPak, a health care crisis looming, a housing and foreclosure crisis, a fragile economy, inflation, rising fuel prices, deepening unemployment, and a disengaged president.

Drill baby drill. Who gives a flying flip about Palin or Hannity?

The folks are wising up to liberal indocrination and manipulation, especially by the corrupt organized radical liberal media mafia and their dishonest pundits.
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:17 pm

gwen wrote:Ken Krueger....

Letters to the Editor

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... 78c22.html


Thanks, I guess. Do you have a point or just your typical posturing?
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:20 pm

Eliza wrote:
Thanks, I guess. Do you have a point or just your typical posturing?


I have proven my point about you and Vida...Thanks.
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Postby Mimiof5 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:22 pm

gwen wrote:Ken Krueger....

Letters to the Editor

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... 78c22.html


this was much discussed in my office today amongst the Republicans.
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Even Republicans say media handled shooting better than Sarah Palin did
By Greg Sargent
Sarah Palin's accusation that journalists engaged in "blood libel" by allegedly blaming her for the shooting appears to have been a flop -- even among Republicans.

Even Republicans say the media handled the shooting better than Palin did, according to a partisan breakdown of the new Washington Post poll that was sent my way.

Fifty-three percent of Republicans approve of the media's handling of the massacre, versus only 48 percent of GOPers who approve of Palin's handling of it. While that 48 percent is higher than the 25 who disapproved of Palin's handling, the fact that less than half of Republicans gave Palin the thumbs up has to be disconcerting to her.

Indeed, even among Republicans, 71 percent approved of Obama's handling of the shooting, more than 20 points higher than the 48 percent who approved of Palin's handling of it.

All this suggests yet again the degree to which Palin squandered a major opportunity to improve her image. A significant chunk of the public is actually inclined to believe that Palin is generally mistreated by the media, and majorities say they don't blame Palin for the shooting, according to a poll released today by the Dem firm Public Policy Polling. If Palin had taken the high road, she might have ended up looking even more wronged by whoever it is that sought to link her to the shooting, and she could have emerged with the moral high ground.

Instead, only a minority of Republicans think she handled the whole mess well, and even Republicans don't see a problem with the media's treatment of it. If Palin wanted to cast this conflict as a standoff against her familiar antagonist, the "lamestream media," then the lamestream media won hands down.

UPDATE, 11:21 a.m.: Numbers like the above may explain why Republicans like Newt Gingrich now feel safe in coming out and criticizing her.
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:23 pm

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I have proven my point about you and Vida...Thanks.


Whatever makes your clock tick. :shock:

I would have responded to you sooner, regarding your Krueger witch-hunt but in this boiler room, we get bathroom, lunch, and dinner breaks. :lol:
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:40 pm

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Mimi hasn't been here constantly but you sure have. It's impossible to take anything you post even remotely seriously after this dimwitted drool:
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Birds of a feather. More neo-hypocrisy. :lol:
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:22 pm

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The only thing you've proven is you're a newsgirl wanna be. Keep reaching for that brass ring.


I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, which is the Ken Krueger from the article that Eliza posted.

I do however stand by my post below that I made earlier...It was a letter to the editor so he is not an "authority" on the subject...

gwen wrote:Ken Krueger....

Letters to the Editor

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... 78c22.html
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:29 pm

I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, which is the Ken Krueger from the article that Eliza posted.

I do however stand by my post below that I made earlier...It was a letter to the editor so he is not an "authority" on the subject...


Thanks Gwen for making that clear. :shock:
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Postby gwen » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:40 pm

Eliza wrote:
I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, which is the Ken Krueger from the article that Eliza posted.

I do however stand by my post below that I made earlier...It was a letter to the editor so he is not an "authority" on the subject...


Thanks Gwen for making that clear. :shock:


Anytime, Eliza. :wink:
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Postby Eliza » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:42 pm

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Anytime, Eliza. :wink:


Get some rest dear.
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Postby gwen » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:22 pm

Mother: Giffords to be moved to rehab center Friday

Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- who will be moved to a rehabilitation center in Texas later this week, according to her parents -- had worries about her safety long before she was critically wounded by a gunman at a public event, her husband said.

"We've discussed it a number of times," Mark Kelly told CNN affiliate KVOA in an interview Tuesday. "She felt that, that was a possibility, pretty much exactly what had happened ... there have been threats against her and other members of Congress."

Giffords was hosting a constituents' meeting outside a supermarket in Tucson when a gunman opened fire. Six people, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, were killed and 13 others wounded. A 22-year-old suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, is facing federal charges.

Giffords was shot in the head. In an e-mail sent to friends and family members Tuesday and obtained by CNN, Giffords' mother, Gloria, writes that she will be moved from Tucson's University Medical Center to rehabilitation facilities in Houston, Texas, on Friday.

"There is a team of medical specialists involved ... including military surgeons who specialize in bullet wounds to the head," the e-mail says. "They want to start aggressive rehab immediately."

University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten would not confirm that Giffords will be moved Friday.

Loughner is next set to appear in court on Monday in Phoenix. Richard Kastigar, chief investigator for the Pima County Sheriff's Department, said Wednesday authorities believe he showed his gun to a friend before the shooting "between Christmas and New Year's." After the shooting, the friend told his father about the exchange, and the father contacted police, he said. He would not name the friend.

Police have said Loughner bought the gun in November after passing a background check, and bought ammunition at a Walmart near his home hours before the shooting. Seven boxes of ammunition were found after the rampage in a black bag discovered in a dry river bed in Loughner's neighborhood.

In addition, authorities said Wednesday that the gunman apparently fired 32 shots, one more than previously thought. A woman found a bullet casing in her purse several days later, he said.

"A woman who was around the shooting scene that day found the casing and reported it to police," Kastigar said. "It fits right into our investigation. We always knew Loughner had one round in his chamber and 31 in the magazine."

Kastigar said he didn't know whether the woman attended the event at the Safeway, was a passerby or was coming out of the store at the time of the shooting.

Gloria Giffords writes that her daughter shows improvement every day "and shows higher levels of comprehension and complex actions.

"Yesterday, when Mark came back from speaking at her aide's memorial service, she reached up and untied his tie and undid the top button to his shirt," according to the e-mail.

"Last night, she took his iPod and scrolled through all the pictures. Early this morning she began to read cards made for her by some 4th graders! Her unbandaged eye tracked the lines, she opened the cards and turned them over reading the back. Mark's gotten pages of large print of Harry Potter's 1st book for her to hold and read."

The e-mail also says that Giffords gave her husband "a 20-minute neck and back rub."

Giffords remains in serious condition. A second, unnamed victim is listed in good condition.

Kelly told the affiliate the couple was concerned about heated and divisive political debates, but despite the fears, Giffords' passion for public service was a priority.

"She was doing what she loved, she was representing the people of southern Arizona," Kelly said. "She felt it was very important for them to have the opportunity to walk up to her and tell her what they think."

Kelly said the lawmaker will resume her public service "stronger than ever" as soon as she's well enough. He predicted she would return to the scene of the shooting.

"She loves southern Arizona more than anything," he told CNN affiliate KGUN. "She's here every week, doing stuff like 'Congress on your Corner,' and I'm sure the first thing she's gonna do, when she's ready, is a 'Congress on your Corner' at that Safeway" where the shooting occurred.

The outpouring of support has been tremendous, Kelly said, including an elementary school student who sent his $2.85 in lunch money to Giffords with a card.

"I sealed it back up, and we're gonna give it back to him," Kelly said. "It almost made me cry just standing there in the room, just to see the kid put his lunch money in the envelope for her."'

Gloria Giffords wrote in the e-mail that her daughter has hard work ahead of her. She has been moving her limbs on command, according to the e-mail, and doctors have had her sitting up in a chair.

"So now comes the 'true grit' part," she wrote, "and (it) won't be a stroll in a park although Mark predicts she'll be up and walking around in 2 weeks. The physical and emotional therapy will proceed side by side and it'll be stringent."

Giffords has not been able to speak because of a breathing tube in her throat. Her mother wrote that Giffords will continue communicating more as she becomes more alert and will speak after the tube comes out.

"You notice I'm speaking in the present tense ... because that's where all your future prayers are going to come in," she wrote.

The e-mail said Giffords' parents are "humbled by the outpouring of love and prayers and overwhelmed with gratitude." The hospital's front lawn and the perimeter of Giffords' Tucson office are "illuminated by thousands of candles, get-well placards, hers and the other victims' photos, prayers, stuffed animals and people."

Surveillance video of the January 8 shooting shows Loughner walking up to Giffords and firing at her face from 24 to 36 inches away, Kastigar, told CNN.

Kastigar said he viewed the surveillance tape the day of the incident, and the hard drives have been turned over to the FBI. He said its contents have not been previously discussed for a variety of reasons, chief among them protecting the victims' families from the graphic details it contains.

On the tape, the suspect can be clearly seen walking around a table and up to Giffords, pointing a gun at her face and pulling the trigger. Giffords is barely in the frame of the video, he said. The gunman then turns to his left and walks out of the video, where witnesses said he began firing indiscriminately at others.

U.S. District Judge John Roll can be seen on the tape putting his arms over Giffords staffer Ron Barber and attempting to push him down and crawl under the table with him, Kastigar said. In attempting to help Barber, Roll exposes his back to the gunman and is shot. Roll died; Barber was also shot, but survived.

"I have to detach my personal feelings" about the tape as an investigator, but the tape offers investigators a way to sort out sometimes confusing or conflicting witness statements about what took place, he said. It also clarified that the gunman's intended target was Giffords, as it made clear that he walked up and fired the first round at her, Kastigar said.

A law enforcement official said federal and local authorities have conducted more than 300 interviews as part of the investigation.

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