Let's admit it, the case is dead ...

[cajun_mali]

Unless Natalee walks in alive, there is no evidence and never will be.

[billybob]

Unless Natalee walks in alive, there is no evidence and never will be.

I am inclined to agree.

[resigned]

The case hasn't been solved by the ALE. It remains an open investigation - just last month they were doing forensics on a bone that was found.



What's the rush?

[Buster]

Unless Natalee walks in alive, there is no evidence and never will be.

Thankfully there are still some people investigating alternative scenarios than the "Joran did it" one but I've to agree the case seems pretty much dead as are most Natalee forums nowadays BTW.

The cow has been milked dry (darn where's that pic now) there's no more money or fame to be made by Betsy, Peter, Greta and all the other pond sucking scum that have only used her disappearance as a means to further themselves.

Still somehow I do hope she did manage to get to Venezuela that would be one hell of a step up from maison Twitty in Mountain Brook.

[zed]

For all intents and purposes, the disappearance of Holloway is a cold case. New leads come up from time to time, and I doubt people will stop searching, but ... without new leads, and continued interference from Twitty-Reynolds-Holloway, it will not be possible to get anything out of Joran. Beth most definitely messed with Aruban authority discussions with Joran with her "surprise" jail visit. She also interfered with her own case, and strengthened Joran case of 5 years harassment against Beth.

[resigned]

For all intents and purposes, the disappearance of Holloway is a cold case. New leads come up from time to time, and I doubt people will stop searching, but ... without new leads, and continued interference from Twitty-Reynolds-Holloway, it will not be possible to get anything out of Joran. Beth most definitely messed with Aruban authority discussions with Joran with her "surprise" jail visit. She also interfered with her own case, and strengthened Joran case of 5 years harassment against Beth.

Actually it is the United States of America v. Joran van der Sloot on the extortion charges.
Joran hasn't filed a case against Beth.
He makes silly claims about people "out to get him" a lot. Always some kind of bogeyman with that guy.

[zed]

I don't think Joran has said that anyone is out to get him. He has said that Twitty and de Vries have been harassing him for years. That much is obvious. Twitty said, during the de Vries tapes, that Joran cancelled that deal requesting money in exchange for information. Twitty contacted him about information for $10k (not exactly the $250k that Joran originally sought) and he said sure ... who wouldn't. She had no reasonable expectation that he would tell the truth, and he knew this.

Where is that Natalee girl anyway ... maybe she sank in a pirate ship after leaving Aruban shores as a third rate human sex trade prize.

[resigned]

I don't think Joran has said that anyone is out to get him. <>

In the Telegraaf interview Anita told the paper she does not believe Joran killed Holloway.

"But if he killed Stephany, he'll have to pay the price. I won't visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him," she was quoted saying.

She said Joran's mental health had deteriorated steadily from the time of the Holloway disappearance. She attributed his decline in part to intense media scrutiny.

She told the paper he had called her several days before Flores' death.

"He said he was being followed. He had been arrested together with a girl and robbed. He was not making sense," the paper quoted her as saying.

"I can't cry for Joran like I did for Paul. I hope that he gets psychological help."

[zed]

Why would Anita believe that Joran killed Natalee? There is nothing to suggest that she is dead ... other than the fact that she disappeared. Her disappearance is mitigated by the fact that "mom" came running with "call me hootie". That request implied that "mom" thought her daughter had willingly gone missing. Too bad ... so sad.

Clearly she accepts that if the woman is dead and if her son is walking out of the room after the murder, then he should pay the price. That murder, (given the date & circumstances) could have been stress triggered, a big difference from "call me hootie".

Sure ... his story to the Chilean police was that he was being followed, that he was stopped by a couple of guys that said they were police, that those police attempted to extort him and Stephany, and that they must have followed him and that she must have been murdered while he was out getting coffee. He even tried to stage discovering the body by pretending to be locked out of his room and then asking the desk clerk to open his room. His first story suggests that he was unaware of video surveillance, and that he thought his story about "being followed" would buy him a ticket to Aruba.

Of course she can't cry for Joran like she did for Paul. Paul died doing what he loved ... playing tennis. Joran simply pissed his life away.

[zed]

He probably doesn't realize that his life is over. He may well be still thinking that he's the international playboy, the guy that everyone wants to know ... but it will be at least 6 years before Peru is resolved, and then a couple more with the Alabama Sting Operation. He'll be in his 30s before he can walk the Aruban beach again ... and by that time his friends will be marrying, with children, with careers, and moved on. Joran will be left behind ... Mr Playboy with dead women in hiw wake.

Who would cry for someone that threw his life away?

[bbeba103]

I never heard that Joran called Anita a few days before the murder of Stephany ocurred, the only phone call reported on the news was the phone call made to Anita from Joran in the taxi cab while Joran was in Chile...

Maybe I missed that...

[cajun_mali]

Actually it is the United States of America v. Joran van der Sloot on the extortion charges.
Joran hasn't filed a case against Beth.
He makes silly claims about people "out to get him" a lot. Always some kind of bogeyman with that guy.

Silly? Well, it doesn't matter since it's pretty much over.

[iquitos]

He probably doesn't realize that his life is over. He may well be still thinking that he's the international playboy, the guy that everyone wants to know ... but it will be at least 6 years before Peru is resolved, and then a couple more with the Alabama Sting Operation. He'll be in his 30s before he can walk the Aruban beach again ... and by that time his friends will be marrying, with children, with careers, and moved on. Joran will be left behind ... Mr Playboy with dead women in hiw wake.

Who would cry for someone that threw his life away?

surely he has had an inkling for a while. he was a pariah. the media had put him in a tight place and he finally snapped, hear tell.

[cajun_mali]

He probably doesn't realize that his life is over. He may well be still thinking that he's the international playboy, the guy that everyone wants to know ... but it will be at least 6 years before Peru is resolved, and then a couple more with the Alabama Sting Operation. He'll be in his 30s before he can walk the Aruban beach again ... and by that time his friends will be marrying, with children, with careers, and moved on. Joran will be left behind ... Mr Playboy with dead women in hiw wake.

Who would cry for someone that threw his life away?

I imagine the Alabama thing will quickly go away because of entrapment.

And who knows what will happen in Peru?

But, the issue with Natalee is dead.

[Slickster]

I imagine the Alabama thing will quickly go away because of entrapment.

And who knows what will happen in Peru?

But, the issue with Natalee is dead.

As do I.
It has been a setup since the beginning.

Case isn't over until we see the Twitty's do the perp-walk for all of their involvement.
I have great faith in Unreals, the likes of Renee Gielen and all the other blokes that will stay with this feakin case til the end.
http://www.youtube.com/user/annelou1000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDvB5OOd79s
How Beth Holloway deceived the USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrYbrpmNrvE

Hang on, it is coming.
imo.

Note to the #1 poster of this board:
go ahead and tear me a new a-hole.
It isn't going to change the facts.

[zed]

surely he has had an inkling for a while. he was a pariah. the media had put him in a tight place and he finally snapped, hear tell.

I think he thought he could walk on water after avoiding any consequence for the disappearance of Natalee. That experience led to his arrogance, not people like Beth and Peter trying to get answers.

[zed]

I imagine the Alabama thing will quickly go away because of entrapment.

And who knows what will happen in Peru?

But, the issue with Natalee is dead.

I think he'll get the Peru murder reduced to 6 years based on crime of passion. Even if Natalee is found, there's nothing to connect her to Joran so yes, unless his missing shoe is found with Natalee, that case is done.

[bbeba103]

I think he'll get the Peru murder reduced to 6 years based on crime of passion. Even if Natalee is found, there's nothing to connect her to Joran so yes, unless his missing shoe is found with Natalee, that case is done.

I have always wondered why in Joran's 2008 confession to his buddy Patrick why he said he was lucky Natalee wasn't found, I believe he said something about sperm, but even then had she been found their wouldn't be much left such as "remains" especially what happens to a body over time, lets not forget if she was disposed off in the ocean.

How would experts prove that a rape ever took place, their had to be something to connect it back to Joran.

I also thought why the need to explain about a missing shoe or shoes in my mind I wondered why did he felt the need to explain that his shoes were missing, if he had just left Natalee on the beach.

My only conclusion was if a shoe or shoes were infact missing he needed to make sure and explain that right away, because those shoes could be with Natalee if found that would sure link Joran.


Other wise someone can agrue that just because he was the last person seen with Natalee doesn't mean he killed her, or did any harm to her...

I read on a website awhile back that Joran's feet were examined to see if his story about walking home without shoes was true or not, since walking bare foot on the pavement wouldn't be such an easy walk, his feet were fine so that showed he lied, or someone gave him a ride home..

So I am not sure if that's true or not..
Every website has a different story.

[cajun_mali]

I think he'll get the Peru murder reduced to 6 years based on crime of passion. Even if Natalee is found, there's nothing to connect her to Joran so yes, unless his missing shoe is found with Natalee, that case is done.

I have always wondered why in Joran's 2008 confession to his buddy Patrick why he said he was lucky Natalee wasn't found, I believe he said something about sperm, but even then had she been found their wouldn't be much left such as "remains" especially what happens to a body over time, lets not forget if she was disposed off in the ocean.

How would experts prove that a rape ever took place, their had to be something to connect it back to Joran.

I also thought why the need to explain about a missing shoe or shoes in my mind I wondered why did he felt the need to explain that his shoes were missing, if he had just left Natalee on the beach.

My only conclusion was if a shoe or shoes were infact missing he needed to make sure and explain that right away, because those shoes could be with Natalee if found that would sure link Joran.


Other wise someone can agrue that just because he was the last person seen with Natalee doesn't mean he killed her, or did any harm to her...

I read on a website awhile back that Joran's feet were examined to see if his story about walking home without shoes was true or not, since walking bare foot on the pavement wouldn't be such an easy walk, his feet were fine so that showed he lied, or someone gave him a ride home..

So I am not sure if that's true or not..
Every website has a different story.

IF Joran and Natalee were at a sandy beach, I can see him taking off his shoes when sand got in them and forgetting them, whether he harmed Natalee or not.

[zed]

IF Joran and Natalee were at a sandy beach, I can see him taking off his shoes when sand got in them and forgetting them, whether he harmed Natalee or not.

Sure, but if Natalee is in a remote spot, buried, or, for example, in the bird sanctuary ... and Joran's shoe is in the same odd spot, then the shoe would tie him to Natalee's disappearance.

[bbeba103]

IF Joran and Natalee were at a sandy beach, I can see him taking off his shoes when sand got in them and forgetting them, whether he harmed Natalee or not.

I can agree with that as well...
It wouldn't show he harmed Natalee..

[Mimiof5]

Unless Natalee walks in alive, there is no evidence and never will be.

the bone that was extensively tested wasn't a figment of your imagination. Really.

[cajun_mali]

the bone that was extensively tested wasn't a figment of your imagination. Really.

If it was Natalee, what would it prove other than Natalee was dead?

[Flippy]

If it was Natalee, what would it prove other than Natalee was dead?

That itself, proving that she was dead, on Aruba, would be quite a blow to many around here. For me, it would prove nothing.

However, if the bone was natalees and it came from the ocean, then it strongly suggests that the rest of here was nearby in the ocean, inside of the area where the currents would pull here out to sea, and would suggest that she was weighted down pretty good. But that is all hypothetical because it wasn't her.

[Mimiof5]

If it was Natalee, what would it prove other than Natalee was dead?

Proving Natalee dead so far hasn't happened. If her remains are found buried, wrapped in something such as a blanket or crab trap, she didn't bury herself and it would be ruled a homicide in the U.S. but Aruba will probably call it a suicide. LOL.