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by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:03 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:

If so they even took a bigger risk.

How so? They accomplished their goal.

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:29 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
How so? They accomplished their goal.

And he murdered Stephany.

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:47 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
And he murdered Stephany.

Can't blame the U.S. Attorney for that one. Sorry.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:53 pm

U.S. still waiting for van der Sloot

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There has been plenty of outrage around the world and online about the possibility Joran van der Sloot might only do a 3-5 year sentence for murdering Stephany Flores.

The body of the 21 year old Peruvian student was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba.

Peruvian investigators say van der Sloot admitted killing Flores when she found material relating to Natalee on his laptop.

Although the Flores family is outraged by the prospect Stephany's death could result in such a short prison sentence, it's not like van der Sloot would have smooth sailing after serving his time.

He's still facing extradition on a U.S. indictment for wire fraud and extortion. The FBI says he defrauded the Holloway family by accepting money for information about Natalee's fate but never delivering the promised information.

A Justice Department spokesperson here in Birmingham says the U.S. Attorney's office is keeping a close eye on van der Sloot's Peruvian legal maneuvers and are waiting their turn.

Peggy Sanford responded by e-mail to CBS42: “This office has always had the intention of pursuing its case against Joran van der Sloot. If the reported plea proposal were to be accepted in Peru, then we might have that opportunity sooner, rather than later.”

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/ ... 5g2bg.cspx

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:59 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
Can't blame the U.S. Attorney for that one. Sorry.

Depends, if he was tricked to leave Aruba for Perú ... they were convinced he was a murderer, right? The knew we had been examined by a psychiatrist. They knew he was unstable.

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:01 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:

Depends, if he was tricked to leave Aruba for Perú ... they were convinced he was a murderer, right? The knew we had been examined by a psychiatrist. They knew he was unstable.

He wasn't tricked by the U.S. Attorney to leave Aruba. Whatever gave you that idea?

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:02 pm

Yes and Beth supplied the money...

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:05 pm

gwen wrote:Yes and Beth supplied the money...

Joran didn't need Beth to finance his other worldwide jaunts. What gives you the idea that he would not have ended up in Peru if it were not for Beth's money? I'm not seeing the connection.

by **AlwaysL8** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:08 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:

Depends, if he was tricked to leave Aruba for Perú ... they were convinced he was a murderer, right? The knew we had been examined by a psychiatrist. They knew he was unstable.

Joran would have killed again no matter where he was. That's what killers do. To blame anyone else is just really over the top.

If he was examined by a psychiatrist and deemed unstable...maybe...just maybe his family (his mother) should have done more to keep him from running wild and killing young women. If you want to lay the blame on someone other than joran himself...there ya go.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:10 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
Joran didn't need Beth to finance his other worldwide jaunts. What gives you the idea that he would not have ended up in Peru if it were not for Beth's money? I'm not seeing the connection.

Think about it...His mother was attempting to get him in rehab and he was at home painting fences. I don't think he had any money rolling in, but then along came Beth AGAIN with an offer of money...

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:11 pm

NEW YORK, Sept. 18, 2010
Van der Sloot Aided by Holloway Mom Visit?
Criminal Attorney: Beth Holloway Twitty Used "Very Bad Judgment," Could Hurt Extortion Case Against Him

(CBS/AP) Has Beth Holloway Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, hurt her efforts to bring Joran van der Sloot to justice?

The mother of the missing Alabama teen has come under some fire after reportedly sneaking into a Peruvian jail to confront the main suspect in her daughter's disappearance.

Twitty's attorney confirms his client did, in fact, meet briefly with van der Sloot. But now questions are being raised as to whether her actions could ultimately undermine her quest for justice.

The last time Twitty came face to face with van der Sloot was the night after her daughter disappeared. This meeting was reportedly very brief, but dramatic.

Van der Sloot has been behind bars for three and a half months now locked inside Peru's notorious Castro Castro prison charged with the brutal murder of a 22-year-old Peruvian woman, Stephany Flores.

According to authorities, Twitty came face-to-face with van der Sloot, who has long been the prime suspect in her 18-year-old daughter's disappearance on the island of Aruba five and a half years ago.

Apparently Holloway snuck into the prison without being identified and carrying a hidden camera, aided by a Dutch TV reporter doing a special on her.

Twitty, who spent about five minutes with him, allegedly began the meeting telling him she had "no hate in her soul" for him.

He is said to have responded by handing her his attorney's business card and saying he couldn't speak without his lawyer present.

RadarOnline went further, claiming she asked direct questions about Natalee's disappearance, but he refused to answer.

John Q. Kelly, Twitty's attorney, confirmed only that she is in Peru, saying, "She's a mother without a daughter. She wants to bring her daughter home."

Authorities in Peru reportedly quickly removed her from the prison.

Peruvian immigration records obtained by the AP show that Twitty arrived in Peru on September 11 and departed early Friday, bound for Panama.

Michael Griffith, an international criminal attorney, said on "The Early Show on Saturday Morning" that Twitty did a very inappropriate thing.

"She used very bad judgment," Griffith said, adding that her visit could hurt her case against van der Sloot. "She's a complainant in a case in Alabama for extortion, where van der Sloot (allegedly) took money from her. Since she's a possible witness, this could be construed as possible witness tampering. I don't know what he said to her, but even if he was inclined to speak to her, by bringing ... the reporter who had already once tricked van der Sloot into giving a confession, I'm sure he would have shut up seeing him there with Mrs. Twitty."

Griffith added it's unlikely Twitty will face charges for her contact with van der Sloot, but it could "certainly" hurt her case in the U.S. for extortion.

U.S. law enforcement officials say van der Sloot extorted $10,000 from Twitty after offering to lead Twitty's attorney to Holloway's body in Aruba, then used the money to fly to Lima.

Griffith said, "The U.S. maintains jurisdiction over their citizens who have been harmed around the world ... we maintain in our embassies, for example, in Peru, there is an FBI office. They could cut a deal with van der Sloot's lawyers down there to have him tell where the body is, because he's going to be facing charges in the United States and he could conceivably help himself by cooperating."

But how could Twitty get into the prison?

Griffith, who has visited a Peruvian prison, said, "Usually, in the old days, the security was very lax." He remarked that, once finding himself trapped in a Peruvian jail, "for a couple of cigarettes I was able to get out.

"But the Miguel Castro Castro is a very difficult prison to get into. You have to go through a body scanner and have to give a passport. I don't know how she got in there. And if she did something inappropriate, she could face charges down there."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 8945.shtml

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:12 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Joran would have killed again no matter where he was. That's what killers do. To blame anyone else is just really over the top.

If he was examined by a psychiatrist and deemed unstable...maybe...just maybe his family (his mother) should have done more to keep him from running wild and killing young women. If you want to lay the blame on someone other than joran himself...there ya go.

You say killed again, yet there is NO evidence that he had killed before.

As for his mother, she was doing what she could. He was of age which makes it much harder to do.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:13 pm

I thought that little stunt Beth pulled might come back to bite her in the ass! :lol:

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:16 pm

by **CherokeeKid** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:17 pm

by **AlwaysL8** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:18 pm

gwen wrote:
You say killed again, yet there is NO evidence that he had killed before.

As for his mother, she was doing what she could. He was of age which makes it much harder to do.

Yes, I say killed again. Most who have followed this case (including officials in Aruba) believe he killed Natalee. They just don't have ENOUGH evidence to convict him.

How easy you brush aside his mother's responsibility, but hold his victim's mother responsible. Mind boggling, to say the least. A bit scary, too.

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:18 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
Joran didn't need Beth to finance his other worldwide jaunts. What gives you the idea that he would not have ended up in Peru if it were not for Beth's money? I'm not seeing the connection.

He was invited to come to Perú remember? Arrangements made for his stay by a vague "friend". Very well possible that wasn't coincidental.

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:18 pm

gwen wrote:
You say killed again, yet there is NO evidence that he had killed before.

As for his mother, she was doing what she could. He was of age which makes it much harder to do.

by **K_Meine** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:19 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
Beth (FBI ?) took a risk. Give so much money to someone who is insane, is irresponsible. He was monitored, they knew his mental state at the time.

IMO "the plan" wasn't that poorly drawn up. Regardless of what some people have conjured up in their minds about Beth I truly believe she ultimately wants and deserves to know what happened to Natalee and be afforded the opportunity to properly bury her daughter (imagine having to bury your own child?

)

IF Joran comes cleans she gets what she wants and he gets the money and that's it. IF he doesn't, which he didn't, he gets slapped with fraud as he should. Beth gave him the opportunity to clear his conscience and make a few sheckles and he blew it once again.

BTW, "insane" is a rather strong adjective unless that has been determined by a professional. IMO he clearly has "mommy related female issues" but let's not over label him just yet. Who is "they" in the last sentence? (the enablers?)

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:20 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
He was invited to come to Perú remember? Arrangements made for his stay by a vague "friend". Very well possible that wasn't coincidental.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:26 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Yes, I say killed again. Most who have followed this case (including officials in Aruba) believe he killed Natalee. They just don't have ENOUGH evidence to convict him.

How easy you brush aside his mother's responsibility, but hold his victim's mother responsible. Mind boggling, to say the least. A bit scary, too.

I have followed this case from the very beginning and even though people and ALE may believed that he killed Natalee, there is still absolutely NO evidence that he did.

As for his mother's responsibility, I explained that above. Now the so called "victim" mother's responsibility was very irresponsible to me for years...

As to the mind boggling and scary comment...it never ceases to amaze me the way fear has control over some people's lives... :lol:

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:27 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Yes, I say killed again. Most who have followed this case (including officials in Aruba) believe he killed Natalee. They just don't have ENOUGH evidence to convict him.

How easy you brush aside his mother's responsibility, but hold his victim's mother responsible. Mind boggling, to say the least. A bit scary, too.

I don't hold the victim's mother responsible for a murder. I blame her for her stupid actions.

BTW - I find your mentality rather scary too.

by **Knipoog** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:27 pm

K_Meine wrote:
IMO "the plan" wasn't that poorly drawn up. Regardless of what some people have conjured up in their minds about Beth I truly believe she ultimately wants and deserves to know what happened to Natalee and be afforded the opportunity to properly bury her daughter (imagine having to bury your own child? )

IF Joran comes cleans she gets what she wants and he gets the money and that's it. IF he doesn't, which he didn't, he gets slapped with fraud as he should. Beth gave him the opportunity to clear his conscience and make a few sheckles and he blew it once again.

BTW, "insane" is a rather strong adjective unless that has been determined by a professional. IMO he clearly has "mommy related female issues" but let's not over label him just yet. Who is "they" in the last sentence? (the enablers?)

Must be a professional opinion.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:28 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
He was invited to come to Perú remember? Arrangements made for his stay by a vague "friend". Very well possible that wasn't coincidental.

Exactly...could have very easily been JQK staging another sting as the one he "attempted" to pull of in NY.

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:30 pm

gwen wrote:
I have followed this case from the very beginning and even though people and ALE may believed that he killed Natalee, there is still absolutely NO evidence that he did.

As for his mother's responsibility, I explained that above. Now the so called "victim" mother's responsibility was very irresponsible to me for years...

As to the mind boggling and scary comment...it never ceases to amaze me the way fear has control over some people's lives...

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