The Refugees Unleashed

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:33 pm

gwen wrote:
Exactly...could have very easily been JQK staging another sting as the one he "attempted" to pull of in NY.

where's is elton he left peru after one interview with the authorities in peru, the mystery man who nothing is known about.

After all that has gone down where is elton exactly ?

He ran off somewhere to Columbia.

by **AlwaysL8** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:36 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
He was invited to come to Perú remember? Arrangements made for his stay by a vague "friend". Very well possible that wasn't coincidental.

Other than out of the mouth of the murdering liar himself, has this ever been verified/proven?

by **resigned** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:36 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
He was invited to come to Perú remember? Arrangements made for his stay by a vague "friend". Very well possible that wasn't coincidental.

He made the decision to go - no one else.
His mental state has been denied by many for many years- he works it to his advantage. In the Flores case - it is to get a lighter sentence.

He was only home, allegedly painting fences, because his mother couldn't afford to keep in the lifestyle he had become accustomed.

He was out gambling and partying in Aruba prior to going to Peru.
Same old story - same old Joran.

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:39 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Other than out of the mouth of the murdering liar himself, has this ever been verified/proven?

Easy to check. If it's not true you had heard it by now.

by **K_Meine** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:40 pm

gwen wrote:I thought that little stunt Beth pulled might come back to bite her in the ass!

How unfortunate you might find pleasure in someone's else's pain.

Griffith said, "The U.S. maintains jurisdiction over their citizens who have been harmed around the world ... we maintain in our embassies, for example, in Peru, there is an FBI office. They could cut a deal with van der Sloot's lawyers down there to have him tell where the body is, because he's going to be facing charges in the United States and he could conceivably help himself by cooperating."

Beth may be considered to be a bitch by many people but IMO she's not stupid. I doubt she walked into Castro Casto without thinking through the ramifications first. It's not unthinkable that the plan was to get to the point of cutting a deal. All I know is Joran better be able to produce Natalee's remains because if he can't he'll be behind bars for a really long time. Peru, USA, Aruba. Who wants to go first?

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:45 pm

gwen wrote:
Think about it...His mother was attempting to get him in rehab and he was at home painting fences. I don't think he had any money rolling in, but then along came Beth AGAIN with an offer of money...

His mother had been bankrolling his hanging out in Aruba, Thailand and anywhere else he wanted to go.

by **AlwaysL8** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:45 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
Easy to check. If it's not true you had heard it by now.

IOW, no proof needed when the words benefit joran.

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:48 pm

resigned wrote:
He made the decision to go - no one else.
His mental state has been denied by many for many years- he works it to his advantage. In the Flores case - it is to get a lighter sentence.

He was only home, allegedly painting fences, because his mother couldn't afford to keep in the lifestyle he had become accustomed.

He was out gambling and partying in Aruba prior to going to Peru.
Same old story - same old Joran.

His mother was bankrolling his lifestyle in Aruba. Same old enabling story.

by **resigned** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:48 pm

He ran out of money as usual - Joran came up with ideas to get more (the painting fences just wasn't cutting it)

by **Black-Tulip** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:48 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
IOW, no proof needed when the words benefit joran.

Sorry but I have a little trouble with your logic.

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:50 pm

BREAKING NEWS ! FBI VIDEO TAPED IT ALL!

Greta Van Susteren | June 4, 2010 1:14 PM

FBI VIDEO TAPED JORAN VAN DER SLOOT EXTORTING THE MONEY from a representative of Beth Holloway.
THE TAPING OCCURRED ON MAY 10 IN ARUBA AND ARUBAN AUTHORITIES WORKED WITH THE FBI TO DO THIS.
THIS WAS A JOINT OPERATION [FBI AND ARUBA] CAREFULLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED.
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NOTE: What we don't know is WHY van der Sloot was not arrested on May 10. The criminal complaint released yesterday by the US Attorney in Alabama identifies May 10 as the crime date. They had enough evidence on May 10 to make the arrest - they had the crime on tape. From a prosecutor's viewpoint, it doesn't get any better than catching the crime on tape.
(Note also that Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly was seen in Aruba at least twice in May.
More information to come...
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Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/brea ... z1G8qNDAIy

Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/brea ... z1G8pym12i

by **AlwaysL8** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 pm

Black-Tulip wrote:
Sorry but I have a little trouble with your logic.

lol

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 pm

bbeba103 wrote:BREAKING NEWS ! FBI VIDEO TAPED IT ALL!

Greta Van Susteren | June 4, 2010 1:14 PM

FBI VIDEO TAPED JORAN VAN DER SLOOT EXTORTING THE MONEY from a representative of Beth Holloway.
THE TAPING OCCURRED ON MAY 10 IN ARUBA AND ARUBAN AUTHORITIES WORKED WITH THE FBI TO DO THIS.
THIS WAS A JOINT OPERATION [FBI AND ARUBA] CAREFULLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED.
----

NOTE: What we don't know is WHY van der Sloot was not arrested on May 10. The criminal complaint released yesterday by the US Attorney in Alabama identifies May 10 as the crime date. They had enough evidence on May 10 to make the arrest - they had the crime on tape. From a prosecutor's viewpoint, it doesn't get any better than catching the crime on tape.
(Note also that Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly was seen in Aruba at least twice in May.
More information to come...
----

Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/brea ... z1G8qNDAIy

Read more: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/brea ... z1G8pym12i

My opinion is that the U.S. Attorney did not want to arrest him on foreign soil without an indictment. An indictment eliminates the need for a preliminary hearing, where a Judge could decide to cut him loose.

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 pm

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:16 pm

What an idiot Dietl is! :lol:

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:19 pm

K Meine...I did not say I found pleasure in anything that Beth does or did. I do think that she made a lot of very foolish decisions that she supposedly did all in the name of finding her daughter...

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:40 pm

gwen wrote:K Meine...I did not say I found pleasure in anything that Beth does or did. I do think that she made a lot of very foolish decisions that she supposedly did all in the name of finding her daughter...

I think the majority of those foolish decisions were driven by what had to be overwhelming guilt for ever allowing that trip.

by **gwen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:42 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
I think the majority of those foolish decisions were driven by what had to be overwhelming guilt for ever allowing that trip.

Probably right...I also think that Beth is very focused on Beth and what will work best for her to gain from the situation.

by **Mimiof5** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:18 pm

gwen wrote:
Probably right...I also think that Beth is very focused on Beth and what will work best for her to gain from the situation.

I view Beth in the same light as the other parents who want something good to result from their child's loss. In this case, I think it has everything to do with identifying Joran's enablers and I don't mean his mother.

by **K_Meine** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:56 am

gwen wrote:K Meine...I did not say I found pleasure in anything that Beth does or did. I do think that she made a lot of very foolish decisions that she supposedly did all in the name of finding her daughter...

IMO most, if not all, of her decisions were based purely on a high level of emotion. In the absence of calmness and rationale certainly many decision might appear foolish to an outsider. She's not unlike a junkie who will do anything to get a fix. Her likely ultimate fix is to bury her only daughter with a little dignity so she can move to the next step of the grieving process. BTW, this is a process she will endure for a life time not just when and if Natalee is ever recovered.

It's easy to pass to judgment from the outside but just imagine for 5 minutes what it would be like to have your child missing under similar or even the same circumstances. I'm sure I'd probably make a foolish decision or two myself under such duress.

by **gwen** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:48 am

K_Meine wrote:
IMO most, if not all, of her decisions were based purely on a high level of emotion. In the absence of calmness and rationale certainly many decision might appear foolish to an outsider. She's not unlike a junkie who will do anything to get a fix. Her likely ultimate fix is to bury her only daughter with a little dignity so she can move to the next step of the grieving process. BTW, this is a process she will endure for a life time not just when and if Natalee is ever recovered.

It's easy to pass to judgment from the outside but just imagine for 5 minutes what it would be like to have your child missing under similar or even the same circumstances. I'm sure I'd probably make a foolish decision or two myself under such duress.

My hinky meter went off from the very first time that Beth Twitty appeared on TV. I have never made any bones about the fact that I do not like Beth (whatever she calls herself on this day).

That being said, as a mother I have empathy for her, however that only goes so far. All her shenanigans that I have watched have really disgusted me. She had money at her disposal to do whatever necessary to help her find her daughter, but she always used the sleazy resources...JQK, Dietl, Mammano, Peter.

This last escapade of hers with the extortion ploy and her subsequent trip to Castro Castro was used to further her career as a TV person. Beth has always seemed more to care more about the media attention on herself than actually finding the real truth about what happened to Natalee.

Beth has from the very beginning made it more about Beth than her "US citizen", "full ride scholarship", "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" daughter whose name was Natalee...

by **iquitos** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:14 pm

She barely speaks english. She talks nonsense. What she is, among other traits, is vengeful, avaricious and vain.

by **Heli** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:15 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
Evidently it was a risk and at a price she was willing to take in order to get the guy off the street before he harmed another girl. It also will provide an opportunity for the feds to interrogate him about the human trafficking he seems to have ties to.

Why would they interrogate him about that? There's no nexus at all to the U.S. and the allegations stemming from a deVries setup and a grainy covert video occurred in Thailand.

Federal cops have better things to do than pursue matters with a foreign citizen that are alleged or speculated to have occurred in yet a third foreign jurisdiction. But then again, the U.S. likes to keep their fingers in the pie all over the world, so who knows what they'd do or not do. :wink:

There's also that little issue of an accused in custody on U.S. charges is entitled to the protection pursuant to R. v. Miranda. Some crack american defence attorney would obviously advise that he remain mute.

by **Heli** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:20 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
I think the majority of those foolish decisions were driven by what had to be overwhelming guilt for ever allowing that trip.

I reject that she had any guilt, overwhelming or otherwise. She has not once acknowledged that any of her decisions as a parent were wrong or even ill-advised and even less that Dave Holloway's position about that trip may have been the correct one.

My recollection is she's always taken the very opposite position about her daughter going on a booze fest to Aruba.

by **billybob** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:36 pm

gwen wrote:
My hinky meter went off from the very first time that Beth Twitty appeared on TV. I have never made any bones about the fact that I do not like Beth (whatever she calls herself on this day).

That being said, as a mother I have empathy for her, however that only goes so far. All her shenanigans that I have watched have really disgusted me. She had money at her disposal to do whatever necessary to help her find her daughter, but she always used the sleazy resources...JQK, Dietl, Mammano, Peter.

This last escapade of hers with the extortion ploy and her subsequent trip to Castro Castro was used to further her career as a TV person. Beth has always seemed more to care more about the media attention on herself than actually finding the real truth about what happened to Natalee.

Beth has from the very beginning made it more about Beth than her "US citizen", "full ride scholarship", "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" daughter whose name was Natalee...

BRAVO! Best post here in a very long time!

The Refugees Unleashed

Split f/ JVDS Defense asks to be judged crime by passion

Nancy at her grizzliest.....

The O'Reilly Factor - Did the FBI Botch Van Der Sloot Case

I don't think natalee's mother is that bright

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