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by **iquitos** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:53 pm

dugo: ..."Forensic computing is an art rarely done right though. I wouldn't be surprised if they are just looking for things that support accusations in stead of some serious truth finding." ...

The problem with the Natalee case from the moment the posse touched down in Aruba.

i don't think it matters how but the story that she saw something on the computer (snooped or not) confronted him and they fought and she died rings true to me.

now why was she with him? was she put up to it? was she an accidental fly in the ointment? blades brother tried to warn the casino who joran was.

by **bbeba103** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:06 pm

iquitos wrote:dugo: ..."Forensic computing is an art rarely done right though. I wouldn't be surprised if they are just looking for things that support accusations in stead of some serious truth finding." ...

The problem with the Natalee case from the moment the posse touched down in Aruba.

i don't think it matters how but the story that she saw something on the computer (snooped or not) confronted him and they fought and she died rings true to me.

now why was she with him? was she put up to it? was she an accidental fly in the ointment? blades brother tried to warn the casino who joran was.

mr. flores denies this ever taken place
and that roberto blades brother was just looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

this can be easily crossed out if the workers in the casino were questioned by the authorities, down in peru.

many questions unanswered, but some will continue to say it doesnt change the end result, but jmo in a case all facts matter.

:laffit2:

by **Linda in L.A.** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:12 pm

Vidasigue wrote:

Hi Linda in L.A.,

The only thing I'm believing right now until proven otherwise is that this whole thing was a far too conveniently wrapped package. Take the Beth/Kelly sting operation out of the equation just days prior and I'm not seeing a wrapped package. Not implying whatsoever that death is a justified punishment for computer snooping even though that may be what it "sounds like"

You can call it blaming the victim, but this Stephany character who tramped around casinos and nefarious areas of her city against her family's wishes and traveled with masks and a B/D kit is someone devoid of moral turpitude IMO. No man should take it upon himself to determine a sentence of death for any type of perceived transgression no matter the character or lack thereof.

That being said I find it difficult to empathize with anyone living on the dark side finding themselves in peril. Don't place yourself in situations that can make you a victim and you won't become one.

So I'll ask you point blank. If you believe your last paragraph...does that refer only to Stephany and Natalee...or are you also referring to Joran? I do agree Natalee and Stephany made bad decisions, but like you, I don't believe any person whould take it upon themselves to determine a sentence of death. It appears Joran DID make that decision...at least regarding Stephany. I believe also regarding Natalee...but considering there is no proof or body...I'll step aside on that one.

Joran has made bad decision after bad decision...yet I don't hear any condemnation coming from you or others for those decisions. Have I missed it then?

by **PufPuf93** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:13 am

bbeba103 wrote:Last quote does not exists!

Elton is the interesting dude, Blades is irrelevant distraction. :idea:

by **bbeba103** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:07 pm

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Posted on Mar 22, 2011 @ 06:25PM

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

WORLD EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS From Van Der Sloot Crime Scene & More

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered.

"Peruvian police high tech official Oscar Gonzalez claimed that "there is additional information that could be of interest" in the confiscated computer of Van der Sloot, who is currently locked-up in Peru's Castro Castro prison waiting to stand trial for the murder of Peruvian college student, Stephany Flores.

Van der Sloot's lawyer recently entered a temporary insanity plea on behalf of his client.

It's alleged Flores was murdered by Van der Sloot after she started digging through his computer and found information pertaining to Holloway.

But Navarro disputes these claims also as he prepares to launch his defense of his controversial client.

He said: "Stephany went over to his computer and started asking him about Natalee and they started pushing and fighting, that kind of thing.

Flores was killed in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day that Holloway disappeared in Aruba; she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

A lawyer for Flores' family called the proposed insanity plea "absurd," saying that given all the factors in the case, Van der Sloot deserved to spend a minimum of 25 years in prison.

"She did not find any direct information about the case."

Flores was killed in Van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day that Holloway disappeared in Aruba; she had been bludgeoned and asphyxiated.

A lawyer for Flores' family called the proposed insanity plea "absurd," saying that given all the factors in the case, Van der Sloot deserved to spend a minimum of 25 years in prison.

"The manner in which the suspect killed Stephany evidenced disproportionate violence," attorney Edward Alvarez said.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ot-natalee

by **K_Meine** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:51 am

bbeba103 wrote:EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Posted on Mar 22, 2011 @ 06:25PM

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."
Translation: Joran is my client and I have to believe everything he says because he is paying me with the money he stole from Stephany
SNIP

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.
Translation: If I say the FBI is wasting their time then it must be so and therefore they'll believe me and not even look at the laptop.
SNIP

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.
Translation: I'm bluffing as much as Joran has and am prepared to soil my pants when they don't find anything because that means the reason why Joran bludgeoned and killed Stephany is baseless.
SNIP

He said: "Stephany went over to his computer and started asking him about Natalee and they started pushing and fighting, that kind of thing.
Translation: I'm scared when I base my arguments on "He said" because typically those statements are riddled with gilipollez. Plus initially "he said" he came to the room and she was already on the computer not went over after the fact. I'm probably screwed but I hope I get paid.
SNIP

"She did not find any direct information about the case."
Translation: I was not there and Joran told me to say this. Damn it all.
SNIP

"The manner in which the suspect killed Stephany evidenced disproportionate violence," attorney Edward Alvarez said.
Translation: Joran had no legitimate reason to kill Stephany. Period.

Translating is fun.

by **bbeba103** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:37 pm

PufPuf93 wrote:
Elton is the interesting dude, Blades is irrelevant distraction.

true dat Pufpuf I agree that Elton is a very interesting dude.

by **bbeba103** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:38 pm

Joran Lawyer: My client is not worried

Joran van der Sloot. © AP

UPDATE announced that he and his client not worry about the fact that the FBI's laptop Van der Sloot and confiscated.

"They will then find no evidence for the Natalee Holloway case to solve," says Altez.

This lawyer has informed the radar site online

Waste of time

Altez stresses that it is just waste of time to examine the laptop and that it will yield any results. Stephany did look into his computer and asked things about Natalee, and a fight erupted, but they found no direct evidence," he Altez know.

For murder Van der Sloot in jail in Lima on suspicion of murder Stephany Flores in June last year He is also charged with extortion Joran wanted $ 250,000 for the Holloway family and in return he would tell where her body lies.

Joran was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee, but for lack of evidence could not be maintained. The FBI hopes the last week confiscated computer clues to who can finally solve the Holloway case.

(WT) 24/03/1911 4:44 p.m

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/arti ... ptop.dhtml

Google Translation...

by **resigned** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:54 pm

Well there ya go FBI - don't even bother. :lol:

by **resigned** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:33 pm

Gonzalez said Peruvian police did not examine the hard drive for information related to the Aruba disappearance.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-wo ... der.Sloot/

by **Mimiof5** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:44 pm

resigned wrote:
Gonzalez said Peruvian police did not examine the hard drive for information related to the Aruba disappearance.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-wo ... der.Sloot/

Peruvian police may not have been examining the computer for evidence related to Natalee but that doesn't mean they didn't find something related to her disappearance that will be of interest to the FBI.

I guess I'm the only one posting with the opinion it's not Joran that the FBI is targetting.

by **resigned** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:53 pm

Mimiof5 wrote:
Peruvian police may not have been examining the computer for evidence related to Natalee but that doesn't mean they didn't find something related to her disappearance that will be of interest to the FBI.

I guess I'm the only one posting with the opinion it's not Joran that the FBI is targetting.

I think anyone that corresponded with Joran is subject to being investigated by the FBI regarding both Natalee's disappearance and the extortion charges filed against Joran - whether it is his family, friends or John Q. Kelly.
But I do think that Joran is the target.

by **Mimiof5** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:56 pm

resigned wrote:
I think anyone that corresponded with Joran is subject to being investigated by the FBI regarding both Natalee's disappearance and the extortion charges filed against Joran - whether it is his family, friends or John Q. Kelly.
But I do think that Joran is the target.

I'm of the opinion the target is in the "family and friends" category.

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