Is Natalee Holloway buried in a tomb?

[Knipoog]

Until proof is shown - it fits the same category. Just something printed or heard that may or may not be true.

No, not if you consider the source. It was an interview b.t.w.
Even some kind of a reason was given.

[resigned]

No, not if you consider the source. It was an interview b.t.w.
Even some kind of a reason was given.

I would enjoy seeing or hearing it at some point and Judge for myself....regardless of the outcome ofwhen he may or may not have beed told it wasn't going to work out. I still thinkhe was well-connected
The man worked for the Aruban Govt. for 8 years and then as Private Secretary to the Attorney General before he began to climb up a few more rungs. He knew people, he lived on Aruba for quite a number of years, he knew the fellow judges and the members of the OM and quite certainly some of the LE investigators. It makes a difference. People aren't a chest o drawers where everything is compartmentalized. JMO

[iquitos]

island sources and Dutch newspapers reported van der sloot had not made the cut for judge before his son became the target of the Natalee holloway investigation. Mr. Vocking was not employed in the judiciary and his personal friendship with the van der Sloot family appeared to have no effect on the vigor with which the prosecution and the police pursued the prosecution of Joran van der Sloot over which as an administrative support person at the PG he did not likely have much influence.

[resigned]

island sources and Dutch newspapers reported van der sloot had not made the cut for judge before his son became the target of the Natalee holloway investigation. Mr. Vocking was not employed in the judiciary and his personal friendship with the van der Sloot family appeared to have no effect on the vigor with which the prosecution and the police pursued the prosecution of Joran van der Sloot aver which as an administrative support person at the PG he did not likely have much influence.

And just for accuracy - we can throw in Paulus comments in a June 2005 interview where he states he is still a replacing judge and only took leave from the court after Joran's arrest:

Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?

Paul van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Quote:
Paul van der Sloot: That is completely incorrect. The moment it became clear that Joran was going to be involved in this case in one way or another, I asked for leave and I have not been at the court anymore. That is, to make very clear, most of all, I am now a father and not a judge.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Because you realized that else these stories would be brought into the world?

Paul van der Sloot: In this situation you have to avoid every appearance [of impropriety].

And with or without him ever have been made a permament Judge - he still had many friends and co-workers via his years working at the OM office.........

Reporter : Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general

Reporter : So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter: Mrs. Croes.

[Knipoog]

I would enjoy seeing or hearing it at some point and Judge for myself....regardless of the outcome ofwhen he may or may not have beed told it wasn't going to work out. I still thinkhe was well-connected
The man worked for the Aruban Govt. for 8 years and then as Private Secretary to the Attorney General before he began to climb up a few more rungs. He knew people, he lived on Aruba for quite a number of years, he knew the fellow judges and the members of the OM and quite certainly some of the LE investigators. It makes a difference. People aren't a chest o drawers where everything is compartmentalized. JMO

You need to do more abstract thinking.
Leave the absolute thinking to other posters.

You are really wrong about this.

So you have already three strikes.
Get out of my cab.

[resigned]

You need to do more abstract thinking.
Leave the absolute thinking to other posters.

You are really wrong about this.

So you have already three strikes.
Get out of my cab.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I will stay along for the ride a bit longer.

I look it this way - any friend of the van der Sloot or someone that is just defending the Aruban system(in this case) will downplay Paulus 's connections with the Government - but no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors - whether it is in an OM office, Judge's chamber or at home.

He was well connected with the Aruban government....NO - he wasn't King or even the Island ruler - but he was exactly as he was early described - high ranking government official - officials may suffer some losses and a variety of musical chairs after an election - but Paulus was a constant for over a decade on the island --- in some capacity with the Govt.

[Knipoog]

Last quote does not exists!

Your ride leads to nowhere.

I am not downplaying the connections.

I have a lot of connections too.
But the question is , are these connections thinking they are very well connected to me. Is there a good click.


Resigned you are not a judge in training but a policedog in training.
You learned to bite and now you have to learn to let go.
( I mean this connections thing)

[iquitos]

connected you are. paulus obviously came up short. his house was searched, his cars were confiscated, his son was thrown in the slammer for the maximum period allowed, he spent a couple nights in the slammer himself, his "friends" at the high court in curacao denied his false arrest compensation after his "friends" at the om appealed his lower court victory. then nico jorg ripped him a new one in a public dressing down. the only palpable sign he had any connections came in the form of a visit from the discredited and outcast ben vocking. Paulus could have been a passive aggressive stickler and hair splitter who rubbed more than a few the wrong way.
He was probably black balled by his peers in the judiciary when it came to his becoming a full judge.

[Knipoog]

connected you are. paulus obviously came up short. his house was searched, his cars were confiscated, his son was thrown in the slammer for the maximum period allowed, he spent a couple nights in the slammer himself, his "friends" at the high court in curacao denied his false arrest compensation after his "friends" at the om appealed his lower court victory. then nico jorg ripped him a new one in a public dressing down. the only palpable sign he had any connections came in the form of a visit from the discredited and outcast ben vocking. Paulus could have been a passive aggressive stickler and hair splitter who rubbed more than a few the wrong way.
he was probably blacked balled by his peers in the judiciary when it came to his becoming a full judge.

You are good IQ. You really are.

[resigned]

He was slapped on the wrist, passed the Aruban bar exam and moved into private practice with his wayward son's attorney.

That's being connected.

[resigned]

"Paulus could have been"

Could have been, maybe and perhaps doesn't mean a damn thing except it isn't proof of any fact that has been shown. Paulus could have been the most inept drunken judge wanna-be on Aruba. But there is no proof of that either - although it does appear that he slept through loud noises.

[resigned]

Last quote does not exists!

With all due respect - I don't need to let go of anything. This is just a discussion - I think Paulus's influence (which he was an imember of the government for years, hence- he had influence) did play a part in how the case was handled - whether it would ever be proven remains to be seen. I don't believe iquitos or you know exactly what transpired in Paulus's life up to and including the May 30, 2005 or as the events transpired afterward You can post what you have heard and believe and I will do the same. Thank you.

[Knipoog]

He was slapped on the wrist, passed the Aruban bar exam and moved into private practice with his wayward son's attorney.

That's being connected.

Glad I didn't have that kind of connection.

[Knipoog]

With all due respect - I don't need to let go of anything. This is just a discussion - I think Paulus's influence (which he was an imember of the government for years, hence- he had influence) did play a part in how the case was handled - whether it would ever be proven remains to be seen. I don't believe iquitos or you know exactly what transpired in Paulus's life up to and including the May 30, 2005 or as the events transpired afterward You can post what you have heard and believe and I will do the same. Thank you.

You are most welcome.

[iquitos]

He was slapped on the wrist, passed the Aruban bar exam and moved into private practice with his wayward son's attorney.

That's being connected.

slapped on the wrist for what?

[resigned]

slapped on the wrist for what?

So -the rest of the Judiary took it out on Paulus by not awarding him compensation - basically accusing them of cronyism amongst themselves -that is, if there truly was no basis for the arrest - but yet Paulus wasn't like that - he was the only good guy and they didn't want him on board.

Not buying that either. He got a slap on the wrist and a bar license.

[Emily]

So -the rest of the Judiary took it out on Paulus by not awarding him compensation - basically accusing them of cronyism amongst themselves -that is, if there truly was no basis for the arrest - but yet Paulus wasn't like that - he was the only good guy and they didn't want him on board.

Not buying that either. He got a slap on the wrist and a bar license.

On what grounds could they refuse to give him one?

[resigned]

On what grounds could they refuse to give him one?

The bar license?

Probably not any if he was the supposedly great Netherlands attorney some claim ---but than why wouldn't he already have gotten one - doesn't seem like a person who expected to fail being a replacing Judge.

He either had no intention of being an Aruban attorney until after May 30, 2005...or he thought his appointment as a replacing Judge was just a formality until he became a permanent Judge, until May 30, 2005....or he he thought if he did fail as a replacing Judge, he would just go back to the OM with his many connections established there over the years-----until May 30, 2005.

JMO

[Knipoog]

Last quote does not exists!

I love multiple choice.

[Emily]

Last quote does not exists!

You made it sound like his getting a license was a compensation prize from the authorities. Are you not claiming there was anything suspicious about him getting his license, that he had every right to get one if that's what he wanted and there was nothing corrupt in them giving him one?

[PufPuf93]

but has a strategic location and attractiveness.

The level of corruption on Aruba is minimal compared with financial, criminal, and political corruption in the USA that claims to be a Nation of fair laws and justice. The Netherlands and USA make and distort Aruba.

There is far too much violence and lack of brotherhood and combined-self interest in the western hemisphere. History and inertia make me sad. Neo-liberals and neo-conservatives have convergent interests in concentrating income, wealth, and hard assets to the detriment of most of us.

[resigned]

You made it sound like his getting a license was a compensation prize from the authorities. Are you not claiming there was anything suspicious about him getting his license, that he had every right to get one if that's what he wanted and there was nothing corrupt in them giving him one?

I didn't make it sound like anything.

I already posted my opinion.

[resigned]

but has a strategic location and attractiveness.

The level of corruption on Aruba is minimal compared with financial, criminal, and political corruption in the USA that claims to be a Nation of fair laws and justice. The Netherlands and USA make and distort Aruba.

There is far too much violence and lack of brotherhood and combined-self interest in the western hemisphere. History and inertia make me sad. Neo-liberals and neo-conservatives have convergent interests in concentrating income, wealth, and hard assets to the detriment of most of us.

Natalee didn't go missing in the USA.
Paulus was not a government official in the USA.
No justice system is perfect.
and that includes Aruba.

[resigned]

I love multiple choice.

I bet "Trina the cabdriver" did too. "por favor"

[iquitos]

bar membership being some kind of reward. he was a law graduate with years of experience in the law. why would he not qualify for the bar (except that some folks at the OM had the ass for him)? was the false arrest disqualifying even if it came with a certificate of innocence from the OM? did ole ben type it up for him on the QT?