Is Natalee Holloway buried in a tomb?

[AlwaysL8]

They might find out that a van der Sloot was involved in Natalee's disappearance.

Yeah, I think you are correct.

I know where the arrogance was and it wasn't with the FBI.

[Knipoog]

Why is it arrogance to offer help?

It is obvious it was needed.

Oh please give me your address.
Next time my family visit the States we will come to your house at dinner time. We will offer you all the help to eat all the food.

[resigned]

Next time Aruba will ask if they have a Dutch/Aruban
birth certificate.

Maybe they should only offer accomodations to those with Dutch/Aruban birth certificates?

[Knipoog]

Maybe they should only offer accomodations to those with Dutch/Aruban birth certificates?

You have to pay for accomodations.

[resigned]

You have to pay for accomodations.

I believe that Natalee did pay for her accomodations - dearly.

[resigned]

* Aruba trip packages do not include the cost of ALE charging any local Dutch boy with a crime. Non transferable. Taxes and gratuities not included. Void where FBI may get involved

[Knipoog]

I believe that Natalee did pay for her accomodations - dearly.

That's often the problem with looking for accomodations free of charge.

The hidden fees.

[resigned]

That's often the problem with looking for accomodations free of charge.

The hidden fees.

IMO - People shouldn't offer accomodations unless they want to - if it is offered because they expect someone to look the other way or to just keep them quiet- well then, it is what it is.

[AlwaysL8]

Oh please give me your address.
Next time my family visit the States we will come to your house at dinner time. We will offer you all the help to eat all the food.

Resigned wrote:

“The day after Natalee’s disappearance, I contacted Aruban authorities and they agreed to invite the FBI to the island. It was at that time I established ongoing communications with those authorities."

Sorry, you are not invited.

[Knipoog]

IMO - People shouldn't offer accomodations unless they want to - if it is offered because they expect someone to look the other way or to just keep them quiet- well then, it is what it is.

I am not talking about those kind of accomodations. You know damn well.

There are limits. I don't think someone looked the other way.
On the contrary. But I don't care whether people believe what I am saying or not.
Passed that station a long time ago.

[Knipoog]

Sorry, you are not invited.

But I will tell everybody in your neighbourhood you did invite me.

[resigned]

I am not talking about those kind of accomodations. You know damn well.

There are limits. I don't think someone looked the other way.
On the contrary. But I don't care whether people believe what I am saying or not.
Passed that station a long time ago.

To be honest - I don't know what "accomodations" you are talking about.

I think that deference was given to Joran's story and his actions because of his fathers position, past and current, on the island. Not a vast conspiracy - not a big plot by the government - just that if Joran would have been the average schub on Aruba - he wouldn't have gotten the soft glove treatment on day one.

We can differ on that - I don't mind.

[resigned]

Sorry, you are not invited.

Good! - I was afraid that if I showed up - you would only let me watch you cook and then blame me for ruining the dinner.

[Knipoog]

To be honest - I don't know what "accomodations" you are talking about.

I think that deference was given to Joran's story and his actions because of his fathers position, past and current, on the island. Not a vast conspiracy - not a big plot by the government - just that if Joran would have been the average schub on Aruba - he wouldn't have gotten the soft glove treatment on day one.

We can differ on that - I don't mind.

About the soft glove treatment I don't know.
I think the ALE knows the troublemakers, kids with a record.
The J2K didn't have a record. So what to do? You have to make a choice.
It is impossible to say it was the right or wrong choice, even in hindsight.
And a fathers position can be a burden also to a kid.

[Knipoog]

Good! - I was afraid that if I showed up - you would only let me watch you cook and then blame me for ruining the dinner.

She never ruines a dinner.
She is a great cook.

You are a picky eater.

[resigned]

About the soft glove treatment I don't know.
I think the ALE knows the troublemakers, kids with a record.
The J2K didn't have a record. So what to do? You have to make a choice.
It is impossible to say it was the right or wrong choice, even in hindsight.
And a fathers position can be a burden also to a kid.

I don't think it should have mattered whether someone had a record or not. The important fact was that J2K were lying - ALE should have been able to figure that out based on their interviews with Carlos and Charlies and the HI staff pretty quickly.

I personally wouldn't have made the choice to arrest the security guards over J2K - but I'm armchairing, so what difference does it make.


Maybe Joran would have had a juvie record for his antics already if it wasn't already for whom his father was....whose to say?

[Knipoog]

I don't always like statistics. But in the States they love it, especially
in sports. I mean the guy with the most defending blocks can still loose
the champions game for his NBA team by failing to make one important block.

Anyway 70% of the youth lies to the police when questioned about something.

[resigned]

WASHINGTON, July 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following is a statement by Boudewijn van Eenennaam, ambassador, Kingdom of the Netherlands, on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway:

On May 30th we were all shocked when a young American high- school graduate disappeared while vacationing on the island of Aruba. Since then, the Aruban and Netherlands authorities, in close cooperation with United States officials and the citizens of Aruba, are conducting an intense search and a full investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

<snipped>

....but not thisclose.

[Knipoog]

Very polite and diplomatic.

[resigned]

I don't always like statistics. But in the States they love it, especially
in sports. I mean the guy with the most defending blocks can still loose
the champions game for his NBA team by failing to make one important block.

Anyway 70% of the youth lies to the police when questioned about something.

So were ALE investigating thoroughly a disappearance of a missing young woman or were they trying to solve who broke a window? I think there is a difference in why young people would lie in different types of situations and that LE would be attuned to those things.

It is hard to imagine that ALE took the disappearance seriously from the beginning if that is supposed to be a supporting argument in defense of their tactics. JMO

[resigned]

Very polite and diplomatic.

Well as long as it is done politely, it doesn't matter if it is a fib. I guess it is all in the elocution, not the intent.

If only they wouldn't have acted like cowboys - Joran would have been honest. Oh yeah.

[Flippy]

I don't always like statistics. But in the States they love it, especially
in sports. I mean the guy with the most defending blocks can still loose
the champions game for his NBA team by failing to make one important block.

Anyway 70% of the youth lies to the police when questioned about something.

Perhaps; but what percentage of the youth who are questioned by police about something are guilty? There is probably a nice overlap between the two. I think the percentage of teenagers who go out of their way to make themselves look guilty in a missing persons/murder investigation is quite small.

[Knipoog]

In general youth are lying to get out of a situation, whether they have done something wrong or not. A broken window or whatever.
Did you always realize what you were doing the time when you were
in school? Teasing teachers, undermine their authority, teasing other kids.
Don't tell me you were a saint.

Statistics will tell you that most disappearances are not really disappearances. I don't know exactly to what degree they took it seriously in this case.

[Knipoog]

I am out of here.

Dinnertime!

[resigned]

In general youth are lying to get out of a situation, whether they have done something wrong or not. A broken window or whatever.
Did you always realize what you were doing the time when you were
in school? Teasing teachers, undermine their authority, teasing other kids.
Don't tell me you were a saint.

Statistics will tell you that most disappearances are not really disappearances. I don't know exactly to what degree they took it seriously in this case.

The investigators are supposed to be smarter than the kids.

"Statistically", how many parents fly to Aruba to look for their missing loved ones? Everyday - every week - every month? Is it that common occurence that missing persons cases aren't taken seriously no matter what? Just wait - they'll show up - no one ever wants to leave Aruba. They don't call - they don't write - they don't tell anyone they are staying.......happens all the time?