Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

[Knipoog]

and a lot of water went under the bridge in those
five years none of which solved the disappearance of natalee holloway.

Wet and Wild.

[resigned]

A lot of water went under the bridge for a lot of people - Joran is the one that ended up being a killer though.


Was he always capable? - He certainly seems to have flashed a mean twisted streak since youth.

[patricehenri]

Was he always capable?

Good question.

Probably not.

More than likely pushed beyond the brink.

From a child-like wonderment at how adults a/k/a Jug and Beth Twitty could lie through their teeth for profit, to emulating them with mediocre success, to not being able to compete with their "grown up" resources and cadre of con-artists, liars and thieves a/k/a the Dr Phils, the de Vries.

There is only one person to blame for steering him that way.

The one who had US$25,000 dollars to spare.

Killed two birds with one stone.

What an achievement.

Probably better than changing the elderly's bed pans in the family business like they trained and expected that person to do.

Anything but that. At all costs.

[iquitos]

five years hence is the same joran as the one in aruba five years earlier. there is at least a possibility that he was driven to madness and stephany was in the wrong place at the wrong time. he certainly lost his body disposal skills in the interim. he could have at least taken her out of the room registered in his name before he split leaving a trail a bling man could follow. you saying he was a better criminal at 17?

[resigned]

five years hence is the same joran as the one in aruba five years earlier. there is at least a possibility that he was driven to madness and stephany was in the wrong place at the wrong time. he certainly lost his body disposal skills in the interim. he could have at least taken her out of the room registered in his name before he split leaving a trail a bling man could follow. you saying he was a better criminal at 17?

He had a body of water around him at 17, he was familiar with the island, and a had a 10 day head start.

...and his father kept him informed of the status of the investigation.


He lost that home town advantage in Peru.

[iquitos]

a few blocks of his hotel and access to her SUV. Yet he left her where she laid and ran for it leaving a trail of witnesses all the way to Chile. He could have taken her out in a duffel bag. Of course he probably had the FBI on is tail too even before poor Stephany went down without fair warning who she was dealing with but if true that shall forever remain a secret.

[resigned]

a few blocks of his hotel and access to her SUV. Yet he left her where she laid and ran for it leaving a trail of witnesses all the way to Chile. He could have taken her out in a duffel bag. Of course he probably had the FBI on is tail too even before poor Stephany went down without fair warning who she was dealing with but if true that shall forever remain a secret.

Harder to get a dead body of the hotel room, but then I don't pretend to think like a sociopathic killer. I think he was opting for the "she was alive when I left her" story again - "predator of habit"..so to speak.

Only who she was out-ranked who he thought he was. .....awwww

[Knipoog]

He had a body of water around him at 17, he was familiar with the island, and a had a 10 day head start.

...and his father kept him informed of the status of the investigation.

He lost that home town advantage in Peru.

Can you explain?

[resigned]

Can you explain?

It is in both Paulus's witness and suspect statements (as a suspect, he downplays it to "little information" - and also in statements referenced in Joran's book - Jan van der Straten infomed Paulus when Joran would be picked up, who in turn informed Deepak who in turn informed Satish. Quite handy information to have - one not afforded Micky and Abraham.

And yes - I'm aware that Joran was 17 and a minor and such a parent being present wouldn't be extraordinary - being informed prior to be arrested is not typical though. LE does not have to seek parental approval or give prior notice in order to detain or arrest a suspect.

[Knipoog]

It is in both Paulus's witness and suspect statements (as a suspect, he downplays it to "little information" - and also in statements referenced in Joran's book - Jan van der Straten infomed Paulus when Joran would be picked up, who in turn informed Deepak who in turn informed Satish. Quite handy information to have - one not afforded Micky and Abraham.

And yes - I'm aware that Joran was 17 and a minor and such a parent being present wouldn't be extraordinary - being informed prior to be arrested is not typical though. LE does not have to seek parental approval or give prior notice in order to detain or arrest a suspect.

No that's not a correct report of what happened.

[resigned]

No that's not a correct report of what happened.

How would you know - you weren't there. I wasn't either - but that is how it is spelled out in the book and the statements.

If you want to fancy yourself as the case fact checker than do it with both sides or your credibility falters, IMO.

[suraja]

Unfortunately freedom of speech is no longer allowed on this board.

[Knipoog]

How would you know - you weren't there. I wasn't either - but that is how it is spelled out in the book and the statements.

If you want to fancy yourself as the case fact checker than do it with both sides or your credibility falters, IMO.

Don't get mad,....

It is late anyway.
Tomorrow is another day.

[Emily]

It is in both Paulus's witness and suspect statements (as a suspect, he downplays it to "little information" - and also in statements referenced in Joran's book - Jan van der Straten infomed Paulus when Joran would be picked up, who in turn informed Deepak who in turn informed Satish. Quite handy information to have - one not afforded Micky and Abraham.

And yes - I'm aware that Joran was 17 and a minor and such a parent being present wouldn't be extraordinary - being informed prior to be arrested is not typical though. LE does not have to seek parental approval or give prior notice in order to detain or arrest a suspect.

Paulus was told that Joran had to give a witness statement, Joran wasnt under arrest.

[resigned]

Paulus was told that Joran had to give a witness statement, Joran wasnt under arrest.

My mistake - make that - detained, arrested or asked to give a witness statement.

Why would Paulus have been told that? - I don't think it is a requirement for a witness under 18 to have parental approval before giving a statement? The person ( minor as it was) could always decline to give a witness statement ...right? Of course then their might be other consequences.....

Surely if the ALE were taking the case seriously they would have thought that giving the heads up to one witness would allow that witness to corroborate the story with the other witnesses in the honda. IMO - it appears that little slip was more a courtesy extended to the replacing judge - not a requirement of the law.

Were Mickey and Abraham asked to give witness statements or were they just blindsided at sunrise and hauled off as suspects?

[resigned]

Unfortunately freedom of speech is no longer allowed on this board.

Sure it is.
People say all sorts of stuff - if someone is asked something and can't or won't back up the statements with facts, that isn't a suppression of speech - it's just a lack of credibility in the speech.

[resigned]

Don't get mad,....

It is late anyway.
Tomorrow is another day.

I'll turn off my "mad" tone.

Goodnight, 'Scarlett'.