A renewed direction

[CherokeeKid]

Post those "conclusions", CherokeeKid!

According to the last OM remarks - the Holloway case is still open and Joran is the prime suspect and The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations.

You perpetuate the media myths that you choose to side with while dismissing others as despicable. Dompig was the basis for many of these half ass theories - it may show that he tried to look at all angles but it certainly isn't conclusive of crap.

Why don't you post the "conclusions" where ALE believes Joran killed Natalee bases on the new "revelations" regarding Stephany, Resigned?

[plhtx1]

Post those "conclusions", CherokeeKid!

According to the last OM remarks - the Holloway case is still open and Joran is the prime suspect and The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations.

You perpetuate the media myths that you choose to side with while dismissing others as despicable. Dompig was the basis for many of these half ass theories - it may show that he tried to look at all angles but it certainly isn't conclusive of crap.

I would like to see those conclusions, also. Maybe, she has an inside source.....lol

[resigned]

Why don't you post the "conclusions" where ALE believes Joran killed Natalee bases on the new "revelations" regarding Stephany, Resigned?

Probably because I never stated something as assine as what you are asking for above.

There are "no conclusions" regarding the Holloway case - like you keep claiming , just theories~ Joran remains a suspect in the Holloway case - that is what I claimed and he still is....

(Aruba Solicitor General) Taco Stein said van der Sloot remains a "person of interest" to investigators, and Aruban prosecutors have asked the FBI -- which currently has the hard drive from van der Sloot's computer -- for any information that may be relevant to Holloway's disappearance. But Aruban authorities have no plans to interview him again any time soon, Stein said.

"He has made so many statements before that have proven untrustworthy that we will not just rush to him to see about this statement," Stein said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/23/aru ... index.html

It is my opinion that Joran killing Stephany merely proves that he has always been capable of killing - that doesn't mean that is a solid conclusion that he killed Natalee in the same manner that he killed Stephany - but it shows that he was never the innocent waif that claims to have left Natalee alone on the beach or someone who just panicked over watching someone overdose.

At this point - I think his behaviour in both cases are indefensible. He deserves to be locked up on general principal for just being a disgrace to humanity.

[cajun_mali]

And I guess you think O J Simpson was innocent in the murder of his wife and her friend. After all, he was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

You said oj! Argument over, you lost.

[cajun_mali]

No evidence of an accidental death ~ & you don't have any files either.

Still think that Joran the killer wasn't capable of being truly evil in 2005?

No evidence of death.

[cajun_mali]

Because it went as you had hoped. You would carry a different bias & and/or tune) if the Judge based his ruling on the cop's statements alone. You may want to think why would the cop just pick on someone for no reason? I doubt if most do - the Judge may have determined it really wasn't that big a deal - but not solely without merit.
JMO

That's the great thing about it ... in the end ALE had to admit it was blue smoke and mirrors .. they NEVER had anything ....

[cajun_mali]

Post those "conclusions", CherokeeKid!

According to the last OM remarks - the Holloway case is still open and Joran is the prime suspect and The FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations.

You perpetuate the media myths that you choose to side with while dismissing others as despicable. Dompig was the basis for many of these half ass theories - it may show that he tried to look at all angles but it certainly isn't conclusive of crap.

Media myths ... lifetime and cable "news"

[cajun_mali]

double post

[resigned]

That's the great thing about it ... in the end ALE had to admit it was blue smoke and mirrors .. they NEVER had anything ....

Great for who?

Joran, sitting in prison for killing Stephany Flores?
His family?
Natalee?
Natalee's family?

Maybe Aruba? - they get free advertising everytime the case is mentioned. They say there is no such thing as "bad" publicity.

WooHoo AHATA!

[resigned]

Media myths ... lifetime and cable "news"

Don't forget "in-the-know" internet posters and documentaries.

The Not Ready For Crimetime Players...

[cajun_mali]

Last quote does not exists!

I love how you spin ...

[resigned]

No evidence of death.

...and Elvis is alive too.

[resigned]

I love how you spin ...

Someone has to twist it back into the correct position.

[WangChung]

...and Elvis is alive too.

And Beth has finally filed the required IRS Form 990 for:

* 'Save Yourself'

* 'International Safe Travel Foundation'

* 'Natalee Holloway Trust Fund'

* 'Natalee Holloway Resource Center'

* '(Fill in blank)'

* :toast::toast::toast:

[cajun_mali]

...and Elvis is alive too.

You didn't see the funeral?

[cajun_mali]

Someone has to twist it back into the correct position.

You have a warped sense of correct.

[Knipoog]

Since I'm not going to pretend that I know enough about the situation to know what I think - I doubt if you know what I think, but that's okay.

I will add though:
Joran had witnesses too... Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes...boys of a feather and all that. ......just saying.

And I will add:
An area with a lot of security cameras and guess what, they all work.

[K_Meine]

I can explain but I won't. I hate small village politics.
Do some thinking yourself.

You can do better than that. I know it.

You have to get rid of your biased starting point
and look at several possibilities.

EVERYONE is biased at least a little bit. It's almost impossible to avoid. I've gone back to the start many times but ultimately it all goes back to the same people, what they said and how they behaved.

I have no daughters.
Then pretend it was someone you loved.

But my son had to go to court in Holland and appear in front of a judge.
Just a minor thing. Stupid and kind of racist policeman tried to get him.
I was so mad. I talked about it with someone here and he said calm down you can only hope the judge will be a wise older man. And indeed that was the case and he got off without a fine or whatsoever.
So I don't always trust policemen but I would trust v.d. Straten, bc I think he is a reasonable man with integrity.

So you don't always trust policeman because of your experiences yet you think a man you've never met is reasonable and has integrity? I'm quite unclear on that. Please consider reviewing all the statements v.d. Straten made during the course of this investigation and see if you still feel the same way. Statements alluding to seeing the evidence, helping his friend Paul and offering a mental evaluation for Joran all seem a bit sketchy to me but hey, I guess I'm funny that way.

[K_Meine]

If someone died accidentally then you can not blame another person of killing and expect he/she gets convicted and put in jail.

True but that's doesn't really apply to this situation. First off, if a person dies "accidentally" then there is literally no reason to not go to the authorities and report said death. Not doing so never looks good to most people.

If memory serves me correctly, which is rare, Joran only offered the "accidental death" scenario once out of the many versions he's offered. So let's say for S&G she did fall off the balcony as he once said. It was an accident so where is the body? Joran has more than several opportunities to fess up and produce a body. IMO there must be a very good reason why he has chosen not to.

[Knipoog]

[color=darkred]So you don't always trust policeman because of your experiences yet you think a man you've never met is reasonable and has integrity?

[K_Meine]

[color=darkred]So you don't always trust policeman because of your experiences yet you think a man you've never met is reasonable and has integrity?

= ' D

Maybe you think Jan is a swell guy because you just want to be different or because he's Dutch or some other reason. All I can base an opinion on of Jan is the words and actions portrayed in the media. IF what has been shown is true, then I wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him. He certainly had more than enough reason to do what he did. Help a friend and help an island. What a pal.

Joran, 2K, Paulus and Jan were all there from the start so IMO the answers lie there. We know what happened to Paulus, 2K were just a couple of remora's, Joran (well there's not much else to say there) and then the policeman friend of Paulus' who was the lead investigator at the time who said some very interesting things. IMO your Mr. Reasonable and Integrity is highly suspicious and that assertion is backed up by none other than the former Justice Minister Rudy Croes.

[patricehenri]

If you really want to analyze it that deeply you need to start with who got the ball rolling.

Who flicked the first domino.

hint: posse arrives and confronts Paulus and says what exactly?

I'll save you your own mantra...

....


Okay it's only right they all tell what they know, the Jorans the Pauluses, the Jans....

...and who else?


Who goes first?

The 'winner' or the 'loser'.

[resigned]

The ball got rolling when Natalee did not return to her hotel after last being seen getting into the Honda with Joran, the Dutch killer from Aruba, and his two lying buddies from Suriname...the Kalpoe brothers.


Joran - the Dutch killer from Aruba

[patricehenri]

No.

The ball got rolling either with 'aruban asshole' o 'we're the FBI'

But thanks for answering for KMIME

Any way

[resigned]

.........another eyewitness report of what really happened and why if only "they" would have been nicer, truthier, more kiss-the-Dutch assier ..they would have gotten "their" case resolved.