A renewed direction

[resigned]

It was stated people here (on RU) provided him with money.

Who were they and how much money?

That's awfully personal. Were you looking to reimburse them?

[Black-Tulip]

That's awfully personal. Were you looking to reimburse them?

Are you Linda's spokesman? Can't she answer herself?

[resigned]

Are you Linda's spokesman? Can't she answer herself?

I'm sure she can. If you, or anyone else want to just PM her - go ahead - until then I'll reply to any post that I want.

[Knipoog]

That's awfully personal. Were you looking to reimburse them?

No.

I wait for an answer to a reasonable question by the "Voice of Reason".

[Black-Tulip]

I'm sure she can. If you, or anyone else want to just PM her - go ahead - until then I'll reply to any post that I want.

I'm sure she can't.

[resigned]

No.

I wait for an answer to a reasonable question by the "Voice of Reason".

I think you'd have better luck with writing the Joran van der Sloot Defense fund that Tacopina set up for Joran or the people running the prisoners in peru shrine -to-Joran donation website for a list of actual names ( not that I think they would provide a list though. )

To reiterate - Joran is responsible for killing Stephany Flore - no one else. That's just crazy shit with the if he hadn't gotten ___ he wouldn't have gone__ and then did _____...


Well he did - he killed her - he did it. Period. No one is responisble for Joran's actions beside Joran.

[resigned]

I'm sure she can't.

I'm sure she can "answer for herself" - which was the question that you asked.

You may not find her answer sufficient - but I'm sure she can answer for herself.

BTW....Are you Knipoog's spokesperson?

[patricehenri]

That was a fun story but I suppose if we're keeping score Joran is still leading with 2. If we're to take the responsibility off of Joran and blame Beth for Stephany's death because it was her money that funded the trip to Peru. Then we may as well blame Boone's Farm for producing the wine Beth drank the night Natalee was conceived. If it wasn't for that then we'd never be here.

Isn't that cheating?

Joran being the last person known with her, thereafter she refuses to come home, is how his fault exactly?

There is no connection to him whatsoever. Therefore the fault lies with those that let her loose or better, owned her in the first place. It must default to them if there is no connection whatsoever to him being the last known with her and her not being seen again. Owners + puppies + on a leash and all that.

Fairs fair.

But to be really really really fair, you are right. It's not Beth's fault. It's Dave's.

He failed as a man and as a father.

He forbade her to go, he knew that she was incapable of running with the big dogs, and implored her to stay on the porch. Yet he caved in. He knew this could happen yet failed to stand his ground against his ex-wife who over rode his forbidding. Tucked his manhood between his legs and not only fled but caved in and contributed to the now lost cause.

Just how difficult is it for a Daddy to put his foot down when he knows best for the love of his life, his daughter.

No one else but Joran.

[plhtx1]

It was stated people here (on RU) provided him with money.

Who were they and how much money?

Information about Joran's Defense Fund & Paypal
medleyrelay

Thread here at Refs.

Transcripts, Case Photo Collection, Important Info or Links

[resigned]

Everybody's fault except the Dutch killer from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot.

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Why's this shit always happen to me?

[Black-Tulip]

I'm sure she can "answer for herself" - which was the question that you asked.

You may not find her answer sufficient - but I'm sure she can answer for herself.

BTW....Are you Knipoog's spokesperson?

No, she is mine.

[resigned]

No, she is mine.

[iquitos]

soliciting funds from a poster on this natalee board i have heard of.

[WangChung]

But to be really really really fair, you are right. It's not Beth's fault. It's Dave's.

Let me play devil's advocate for a moment




Dave knew he was doomed the moment Beth loudly announced she was pregnant.
That she shared the joyous news while in uniform and on her meal break at the local Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet was blood curdling.
Having the bucket of fried gizzards wrapped in pink ribbons delivered to 'their' table had poor Dave scrambling to find a stout length of rope and the nearest exhaust hood.


It's not possible that Dave, then and now, and in his entire

could have imagined that one broken condom resulting in

[Slickster]

Let me play devil's advocate for a moment



Dave knew he was doomed the moment Beth loudly announced she was pregnant.
That she shared the joyous news while in uniform and on her meal break at the local Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet was blood curdling.
Having the bucket of fried gizzards wrapped in pink ribbons delivered to 'their' table had poor Dave scrambling to find a stout length of rope and the nearest exhaust hood.


It's not possible that Dave, then and now, and in his entire


could have imagined that one broken condom resulting in

It's about time Natalee's early life is explored.
Thank you.

To my buddy K, we must explore the early years to get to the why the lying POS Betty is doing what she does best.
Trust me.

[Linda in L.A.]

I apologize for not coming back earlier...I posted on my lunchbreak and haven't had a chance to get back on until now. It seems to me I have struck a nerve with a few so I'll try and answer and for those who tried to answer for me I'd like to thank you.

It is no big secret that people on this board have sent money to Joran. Why act so surprised? I'm not going to name names...if you want to know the names (or at least some of the names) go back and read the threads. I don't have a problem with it...its individual choice...but to say Beth caused Stephany's death by paying Joran for informatin pissed me off when I read it.

To Black Tulip...nope...wasn't me that paid money to Joran. I remained on the fence for a long time...but never paid money to him.

No one is responsible for Stephany's death except the person who killed her. I believe that person to be Joran and apparently Joran believes he killed her also. If anyone wants to bring up the old "yeah but he lies" excuse...feel free. He did it. His parents didn't do it, Stephany didn't do it, Beth didn't do it and anyone who donated money to Joran didn't do it. JORAN DID IT! Why is that so difficult to understand?

[plhtx1]

I apologize for not coming back earlier...I posted on my lunchbreak and haven't had a chance to get back on until now. It seems to me I have struck a nerve with a few so I'll try and answer and for those who tried to answer for me I'd like to thank you.

It is no big secret that people on this board have sent money to Joran. Why act so surprised? I'm not going to name names...if you want to know the names (or at least some of the names) go back and read the threads. I don't have a problem with it...its individual choice...but to say Beth caused Stephany's death by paying Joran for informatin pissed me off when I read it.

To Black Tulip...nope...wasn't me that paid money to Joran. I remained on the fence for a long time...but never paid money to him.


No one is responsible for Stephany's death except the person who killed her. I believe that person to be Joran and apparently Joran believes he killed her also. If anyone wants to bring up the old "yeah but he lies" excuse...feel free. He did it. His parents didn't do it, Stephany didn't do it, Beth didn't do it and anyone who donated money to Joran didn't do it. JORAN DID IT! Why is that so difficult to understand?

Linda, there is a whole thread here at Refs for Joran's defense fund under
Transcripts, Case Photo Collection, Important Info or Links . They can go read for themselves.

[yankee-in-france]

... and there was a collection at FOB for Joran's defense. The money did not go to Joran, it went to the attorney.

[yankee-in-france]

... but maybe they're not talking about the defense fund.

[Knipoog]

So if Beth is responsible for Stephany's death because Joran scammed her for money...what does that make some of the people here who have provided money to Joran? I think we all know Beth is not responsible for Stephany's death and Joran would have found a way to get there if he really wanted to go.

BHT had her funds you could donate to in her quest to search for Natalee, so had Dave.
Joran had a defense fund people could donate to.
I have no problem with that, it is a choice people made to what funds they wanted to donate.

What we are talking about here is, giving a substantial amount of money directly to Joran who is an addict.
You don't give money to an addict directly. May be you give him or her
some food or something to drink but you never give them money.
It is risky to do such a thing, you never know what they are going to do
in certain circumstances.
He scammed other people out of money and never came up with a true answer to what had happened with Natalee. You must understand that as long as people will give him money for telling the truth he will never do that bc it will be the end of his money cource.
Whatever he does is his own responsibility but you don't want to make
a contribution to the erratic behaviour of an addict.

So my question still stands who here gave money to Joran directly?
Because that was stated and narrowed down to posters here.
I think that's unfair and in reality just gossip.

My nerves were not struck btw. Linda posts that many times as kind of a defense. Pretty irritating and weak to do that.

[resigned]

Last quote does not exists!

One should do this and one should do that and if one is an addict than one shouldn't blah blah blah......no offense intended - but you are just excusing Joran's behavior and actions to blame it on someone or something else.......That's my opinion.

Anyone could easily claim that a parent who is claiming that their child has serious mental issues and knows they are an addict - shouldn't take that person to Bingo night at a casino because it may be the triggering event that spirals their decline.....but I don't blame Anita or anyone else for whatever hell Joran has wrought onto others and himself.

[Fashionista]

Of all the people associated with this case the one you rarely hear about much is IMO the person who most likely knows of some very pertinent information or at least he said he did. That would be none other than Jan Van der straaten.



When he stated "This is murder, I've seen the evidence and you haven't?" you'd think someone might ask him what he meant by that.

Maybe Beth and Peter would be better off sneaking into his office for a chat instead of Castro Castro to see Joran. Then again maybe they are just as scared of him as Joran is. Me thinks a little pressure on Jan would do this case some good and if Jan were taken out of the picture Joran might feel a little safer about offering up some reality.

Stay on "Target"...Keep the "Focus"

This is not the Crazy Catch~all/Derailment Thread

Thanks!



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[Black-Tulip]

With all respect Fash but the board has almost died and now you have to kill the little discussion that's left only because it's not on topic?

I don't understand why. Did someone complain?

It's like a trafficlight in the middle of a desert.

[Knipoog]

With all respect Fash but the board has almost died and now you have to kill the little discussion that's left only because it's not on topic?

I don't understand why. Did someone complain?

It's like a trafficlight in the middle of a desert.

I don't see the problem with a thread called a renewed direction.

[Fashionista]

With all respect Fash but the board has almost died and now you have to kill the little discussion that's left only because it's not on topic?

I don't understand why. Did someone complain?

It's like a trafficlight in the middle of a desert.

<center>A slow forum doesn't give license for derailment, off topic, character assassination aka baiting/personal attacks/flamewars, troll like behavior, rants, disruptive winky winky posts, spam etc.

Should we turn this forum into a post any topic you want in any thread you want & use any kind of language and insult other members & double & cross posting and just generally run amok soley because the forum is slow? Of course not, that is a ridiculous notion. Rules exist in order to keep things running smoothly & so that the experience for those who still choose to post in this forum/board [no matter how large or small the remaining membership is or isn't] is pleasant & informative and yes, fun.

Again & As Usual

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