A renewed direction

[iquitos]

even on camera together plotting how to get her boy: http://refugeesunleashed.net/about13755.html

[resigned]

It wasn't a rumor.

http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1466074/moszk ... sloot.html

I don't recall a suit being filed - so, that would make it just a rumor.

From the the article link - it appears that Bram was offering a suggestion to what he thought Beth should do and why. He also doesn't seem to like the way Aruba handled the case.

[iquitos]

matter says it is under consideration.

[Black-Tulip]

I don't recall a suit being filed - so, that would make it just a rumor.

From the the article link - it appears that Bram was offering a suggestion to what he thought Beth should do and why. He also doesn't seem to like the way Aruba handled the case.

There was no suit. Beth asked him to look into the possibility. He was positive at first but obviously it was not that easy to sue Joran for "shock-damage".

IMO Peter R de Vries is the one who caused the "shocking".

Bram didn't speak about the handeling of the case.

[Black-Tulip]

matter says it is under consideration.

Right. I watched the broadcast myself.



Aan het einde van de uitzending kwam nog Peter R de Vries langs. Ook Beth Holloway was de hele uitzending aanwezig, en zat naast haar "heroes" (zoals ze zelf noemt). Bram Moszkowicz melde dat die een onderzoek zal starten voor een claim, voor Beth Holloway en zal daar volgende week ruim over vertellen bij Jensen!.

http://jensenrtl5.web-log.nl/jensen/200 ... kende.html

[cajun_mali]

Of course not. Natalee disappeared herself - happens all the time on Aruba - everybody either drowns or commits suicide. One way to keep it a Happy Island.

Your grammar sucks ... ! Deleted

[cajun_mali]

Hey - it bought the van der Sloots 10 days. Jan did good.

YOU APPROVE!

[resigned]

There was no suit. Beth asked him to look into the possibility. He was positive at first but obviously it was not that easy to sue Joran for "shock-damage".

IMO Peter R de Vries is the one who caused the "shocking".

Bram didn't speak about the handeling of the case.

So, There was no suit and no case. So it was just rumor that Bram was Beth's lawyer - it may have been nothing more but a question posed on a talk show.

[resigned]

Your grammar sucks ... !

So - do I get points off, or something? I bet it wouldn't matter to you if I posted what you wanted to read. Too bad.

[iquitos]

So, There was no suit and no case. So it was just rumor that Bram was Beth's lawyer - it may have been nothing more but a question posed on a talk show.

except it wasn't according to beth and Bram (and Peetje and Patrikje) and Pau and Witteman. It was stated as fact that they were considering a suit. A fact is not a rumor.

[resigned]

except it wasn't according to beth and Bram (and Peetje and Patrikje) and Pau and Witteman. It was stated as fact that they were considering a suit. A fact is not a rumor.

There was no suit . It was mentioned on a talk show. For all anyone knows that is the only time Beth and Bram met and any "consideration" was given to it.

[Black-Tulip]

There was no suit . It was mentioned on a talk show. For all anyone knows that is the only time Beth and Bram met and any "consideration" was given to it.

bla bla bla.

Who cares, it's documented.

For all YOU know ... anyone else knows better.

[resigned]

bla bla bla.

Who cares, it's documented.

For all YOU know ... anyone else knows better.

"documented" - so is this post I am typing. Big deal. It was mentioned on a talk show - nothing came of it. Why make it into some sort of "news" -
Anita can practically get lap dances from reporters on the island who claim they only want the truth....and yet. you take issue with this little congrontation on TV.

Why do you think it was shown.

[Emily]

"documented" - so is this post I am typing. Big deal. It was mentioned on a talk show - nothing came of it. Why make it into some sort of "news" -
Anita can practically get lap dances from reporters on the island who claim they only want the truth....and yet. you take issue with this little congrontation on TV.

Why do you think it was shown.

What was the point of the article you posted that brought Bram into the discussion? You didn't want to talk about him?

[Black-Tulip]

Beth also dated John Ramsey for a while. Nothing came of it. So had to be a rumor. Right.

Who is taking issues here? You are the one that's obsessed with Joran and his mother, not I.

[resigned]

What was the point of the article you posted that brought Bram into the discussion? You didn't want to talk about him?

Judge bias in the Netherlands was the point. I don't care who you talk about - doesn 't mean I have to agree with how it is relayed. Making mountains out of molehills nit picking words is part of what keeps this discussion flowing.

[resigned]

Beth also dated John Ramsey for a while. Nothing came of it. So had to be a rumor. Right.

Who is taking issues here? You are the one that's obsessed with Joran and his mother, not I.

You make the silliest comparisons. Dating = filing a lawsuit.

Yes, Yes, I'm obsessed with big fat Dutch people!!! - oh boy - the Tulip is on to me. Oh noooooooooo - now no one is going to like me. please please don't tell anyone - I know you can keep a secret.

[K_Meine]

Who was running the investigation in Aruba?

Someone was running the investigation?

[cajun_mali]

So - do I get points off, or something? I bet it wouldn't matter to you if I posted what you wanted to read. Too bad.

You don't get points off so long as I don't get my mouth washed out with soap. Yes, it would. It just KLUNKS in my brain when I read it.

[resigned]

<> It just KLUNKS in my brain when I read it.

Okay. I find that perfectly understandable.

[yankee-in-france]

You don't get points off so long as I don't get my mouth washed out with soap. Yes, it would. It just KLUNKS in my brain when I read it.

I sent you a PM a week or so ago. Please read it.

[K_Meine]

Speaking of renewed directions I wonder what the dynamic was like between Paulus and Anita. It was reported she was away when Natalee disappeared but I wonder how much information, if anything, Paulus and Joran truly shared with Anita when she returned. What she knows and what she's shared can be quite different. Judging by Anita's steadfastness to believe Joran was still innocent in regards to Natalee but admission he could have "harmed" Stephany. I can't help but think they kept Anita in the dark as well. Maybe Beth should try to have a sit down with her.

[yankee-in-france]

Anita is an intelligent woman. I think that Anita saw the situation more clearly and more realistically than Paul but I can likewise believe that neither would have made any admissions to her of guilt if that was the case. No reason to drag her into the loop.

[K_Meine]

Anita is an intelligent woman. I think that Anita saw the situation more clearly and more realistically than Paul but I can likewise believe that neither would have made any admissions to her of guilt if that was the case. No reason to drag her into the loop.

She's an intelligent woman, who like many mothers, is protective of her children. It's not uncommon for mothers to hold onto information although she was somewhat informative in regards to Joran having received mental health treatment(s) in the past. Maybe she truly does believe Joran is completely innocent in regards to Natalee's disappearance or maybe she simply doesn't want to believe it. TBH, I wonder if the death of Stephany has changed her line of thinking on the matter. If Joran is completely innocent and without guilt then why did he use Natalee as an excuse to kill Stephany?

All I'm suggesting is that maybe some of the people involved or around at the beginning should be reevaluated now that the dust has settled. Jan, Anita, Valentin, Dompig, 2K, Steve Croes, FEB and Karin would be a good place to start. I'd imagine at least one of these folks would offer a differing view than originally provided.

[yankee-in-france]

.. perhaps a different view but after 6 years, opinions change .... sometimes.