False confession

[Flippy]

in a sting then at least you ought to stop him before he goes off and becomes a suspect in a murder case.

Perhaps your right. Who was supposed to detain him in Aruba, and was there sufficient evidence to do so? Perhaps an arrest would have "spoiled the investigation" as you like to put it regarding 2005?

Or do you think that this warranted an Osama-Raid where the FBI doesn't tell Aruba squat and just rushes in with the counter-terrorist unit once the drop is made?

[patricehenri]

Perhaps your right. Who was supposed to detain him in Aruba, and was there sufficient evidence to do so?

Maybe Natalee's "friends" the one's supposed to watch out for her? Maybe Stephany's friend who suspected a lie about going home?

People who are supposed to care?

So Joran "lured" them both into his trap? Is there proof? Each went on their own volition.

Beth funded his trip to Peru. She insisted her daughter go to Aruba.

It's all his fault because he "killed" them?

lol?

If the parents of these wayward young ladies would "man up" to their failures in raising them, they might very well get closure.



It's "his" fault. His parent's fault and his grandparent's fault. Oupa and Ouma Darwin.

Unless there was a gun involved in both cases, which I am not aware of.

[iquitos]

Perhaps your right. Who was supposed to detain him in Aruba, and was there sufficient evidence to do so? Perhaps an arrest would have "spoiled the investigation" as you like to put it regarding 2005?

Or do you think that this warranted an Osama-Raid where the FBI doesn't tell Aruba squat and just rushes in with the counter-terrorist unit once the drop is made?

I thought the Arubans were in on it too. What more evidence did they need? He took the money. I don't see where the extortion comes in since there is no threat. Once the act took place and they disproved the claim the case was finished. Just a matter of requesting a provisional arrest pending extradition. simple. the were obviously unprepared to follow through and he got the slip on them but i bet somebody followed him.

[Flippy]

It's all his fault because he "killed" them?

Um...yeah that is normally how it works.

[Flippy]

I thought the Arubans were in on it too. What more evidence did they need? He took the money. I don't see where the extortion comes in since there is no threat. Once the act took place and they disproved the claim the case was finished. Just a matter of requesting a provisional arrest pending extradition. simple. the were obviously unprepared to follow through and he got the slip on them but i bet somebody followed him.

Extortion (WIkipedia):
occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion.

Coercion (Wikipedia):
forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, rewards, or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force.


How it might apply:

Joran "coerced" Beth into giving him money (which is contrary to her interest) in exchange for the reward of information about her daughter. Once that information proved to be inaccurate, the Coercion is unlawful and therefore is elevated to Extortion.

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You might not agree it would stick, but I think that is the basis for the extortion charge. Maybe they didn't think that they had enough to get that charge to stick so they were hoping he asked for more money to build a stronger case?

[Flippy]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 036933.ece

Here is someone who did something very similar to Joran, and how it fit as extortion in a dutch court. A general search on Madeleine will turn up at least two people who offered fake information in return for money, both of which we arrested for Extortion, so apparently that is usual & customary charge for this in the Netherlands and (presumably) Alabama.

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A man who demand two million euros (£1.35million) from the parents of Madeleine McCann for information about their missing daughter has been arrested in Holland.

The 39-year-old man claimed to know the whereabouts of Madeleine and her kidnapper's in six e-mails addressed to her parents.

Dutch police had given the investigation “the highest priority” following requests from the of British and Portuguese authorities, a spokesman for Dutch prosecutors said today.

The source of the e-mails was traced to computers in an internet cafe and an unemployment office in the city of Eindhoven.

The sender was arrested on Wednesday and later confessed to making the whole story up, said the prosecutors' spokesman. The arrested man denied having any information about Madeleine following her disappearance from a Portuguese holiday resort 64 days ago.

“After his arrest the unemployed suspect ... (said that) out of boredom he had started to play with the feelings of Madeleine’s parents,” said the prosecutors’ spokesman.

“Money was probably his motive although he claims he did not really expect to get it.

[K_Meine]

in a sting then at least you ought to stop him before he goes off and becomes a suspect in a murder case.

Neither the FBI or Beth supplied Joran with cash to facilitate the disappearance of Natalee (at least not that we are aware of ) so who or what enabled him to do that? Plus maybe Joran had a some other monies tucked away and used that to get to Lima. I find it surprising that if Joran was utilizing the money Beth had sent him that he'd stay in a 2 and 1/2 start hotel at a rate of only $30-$50 a night. (http://lima.hotelguide.net/data/h100149.htm)

It would appear Joran doesn't require outside intervention in order for bad things to happen.

[patricehenri]

It worked for "natalee"

If you don't give me mony for my trip to Aruba I'll never speak to you again, Dad.

"give me my 500 dollar graduation check" and " see ya !"

after driving 24 hours and securing a motel to see his 'darter" graduate.


No dinner, at JuG

No dinner with Daddy real and step mommy...

rather "SEE YA"

'THANKS FOR THE CHECK YOU OWE ME"





:::poof:::

cheapest magic disappearing trick to date.

Bet ole "dad" Dave patting himself on the back ... "phew just like her manipulative mother, thank the lord all I gave was 500 dollars...otherwise I'd be broke today"

LOL @ Southern logic and 'thinking'





Praise Allha for Godwin

[K_Meine]

It worked for "natalee"

If you don't give me mony for my trip to Aruba I'll never speak to you again, Dad.

"give me my 500 dollar graduation check" and " see ya !"

after driving 24 hours and securing a motel to see his 'darter" graduate.


No dinner, at JuG

No dinner with Daddy real and step mommy...

rather "SEE YA"

'THANKS FOR THE CHECK YOU OWE ME"





:::poof:::

cheapest magic disappearing trick to date.

Bet ole "dad" Dave patting himself on the back ... "phew just like her manipulative mother, thank the lord all I gave was 500 dollars...otherwise I'd be broke today"

LOL @ Southern logic and 'thinking'





Praise Allha for Godwin

How did you know Dave gave Natalee a check for $500? Are you inferring it is now Dave's fault that Joran made Natalee disappear?

D. Miller was right on. People used to take responsibility for their actions twenty years ago but today it's always someone else's fault.

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Point taken. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

iquitos wrote:
in a sting then at least you ought to stop him before he goes off and becomes a suspect in a murder case.


Neither the FBI or Beth supplied Joran with cash to facilitate the disappearance of Natalee (at least not that we are aware of) so who or what enabled him to do that? <SNIP>.

ps. IMO WE, as a people, stopped allowing people to take responsibility for their actions somewhere over the years and IMHO that sort of behavior needs to stop. One of the best things that could ever happen to Joran is for him to be permitted to accept responsibility for his actions. Otherwise, he will continue to make fools of his followers.

[Knipoog]

ps. IMO WE, as a people, stopped allowing people to take responsibility for their actions somewhere over the years and IMHO that sort of behavior needs to stop. One of the best things that could ever happen to Joran is for him to be permitted to accept responsibility for his actions. Otherwise, he will continue to make fools of his followers.

Who are his followers?

[K_Meine]

Who are his followers?

In retrospect maybe supporters would have been a better word choice. Anita, Jan, his faux Facebook friends. IMO you appear to be a bit of a fan yourself. If not, you seem to let him "off the hook" an awful lot.

[Knipoog]

In retrospect maybe supporters would have been a better word choice. Anita, Jan, his faux Facebook friends. IMO you appear to be a bit of a fan yourself. If not, you seem to let him "off the hook" an awful lot.

You seem to fish with a lot of hooks.

Using fish bait like artificial jig spinners and plastic worms.

[K_Meine]

You seem to fish with a lot of hooks.

Using fish bait like artificial jig spinners and plastic worms.

To be honest, I prefer night crawlers.

[Knipoog]

To be honest, I prefer night crawlers.

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[K_Meine]

Interesting music but not really my favorite genre.

[resigned]

You seem to fish with a lot of hooks.

Using fish bait like artificial jig spinners and plastic worms.

Those tricky fishermen - they can even fish without seeing anyone on the beach.

[K_Meine]

Certainly there have been times where people offered a false confession for a variety of reasons but maybe this wasn't one of them. Maybe Joran is tired of being a liar and wants to make amends for what he has done. IMO we should give him the opportunity to be heard and stand behind what he says.

[patricehenri]

.. Maybe Joran is tired of being a liar and wants to make amends for what he has done. ..

You might be onto something there. But in a much much broader sense. There's a whole lot of dynamics going on in quaint ole Peru. 3 things come to mind:

1. On that fateful morning, the so-called "Anniversary of Natalee Holloway" someone (wink wink) sent him an email saying "gotcha" you took our money after you promised us her whereabouts, last laff's on you. ZING A LING A LING A STING. How ya like me know.

And he snapped.

2. In the aforementioned semi-agreement, maybe just maybe, he did do something to that Natalee girl, but simply could not admit to it since everyone past and present he convinced that he did not. Instead to pay for that sin without admitting it and disappointing everyone (more so as he had absolutely everyone convinced family friends public etc.) he "offed" poor Stephanie in such a grandiose way, in order to serve time which in his mind clears the slate on the first one.

3. He didn't do the first one but has been hounded to the brink of insanity and suddenly said to himself, "hey maybe I am a killah" "everyone has been saying so for so many years" " let me see" and snap, he broke her poor neck and fulfilled everyone's morbid dreams.

Doesn't really matter at the end of the day. He'll benefit from the bazillion dollar Kalpoe windfall, which they have only him to thank for. He in turn will make Mr Flores "whole" again with a substantial portion of his take of the Kalpoe take. And everyone will be well. What's that saying in Peru? Money is thicker than blood? Mr. Flores and he will be mates when all is said and done.

And the loser in this all.

Why of course: Elizabeth Ann Beth Reynolds Holloway Twitty Holloway.

She ends up with nothing. She financed a piddly 400$ trip which turned into an 800 million dollar bonanza apportioned to a particular participant to the tune of 10 million $'s split two ways to the Peruvian father and all is well. WIN WIN situation for all except her.

If she wasn't so stubborn and listen to outside advice for once, she'd be in the "cool rich gang" she's financing, and would write a book "how to fail; not once, not twice, but thrice - by B Holloway" instead of what she continues to do; to enable winners to keep on winning.



Some people simply never learn from their mistakes and own up to them.

Oh well.

[K_Meine]

Last quote does not exists!

It will be nice to get Joran in front of a judge and see what he has to say for himself..........