Dr. Drew - 1/6/2012 - JQK et al

[Knipoog]

The first three posts are relating to the Brown comments on the Dr. Drew show, and the edited transcript follows as it relates to the NH case.


BROWN:
" So the first girl goes with him and that was Natalee. And he`d been in bed with lots of girls on that beach probably,"

I really wonder how someone is able to spit out these nonsense.

[iquitos]

(or actually watch them doing it).

[suraja]

BROWN:
" So the first girl goes with him and that was Natalee. And he`d been in bed with lots of girls on that beach probably,"

I really wonder how someone is able to spit out these nonsense.

Well Knipoog, probably is the operative word as in "probably" I "know this as a fact" probably said the queef.

[yankee-in-france]

Edited from the transcript posted by Eliza as it relates to the NH case

The Queef' (JQK), on 'Dr.' Drew 01/06/12

[snipped for relevancy]

You want to talk about a real criminal? Well, tonight a cocky Joran van der Sloot, a real criminal, on trial for murder, actually toying with the court - look at him - promised to plead guilty if he has some time to think about it. Take a look at this.

[snipped for relevancy]


...............

BROWN: No. I call him a date rapist - a date rape guy with a rage problem, because what he does is he goes out and gets these girls, and girls will go with him for one reason or another as a date or a friend because he seems cute and nice and all that, and smart enough.

So the first girl goes with him and that was Natalee. And he`d been in bed with lots of girls on that beach probably, but Natalee went with him and said no. And that ticked him off and he became angry, lost his temper with her. Because he`s like a boyfriend losing his girlfriend, only it`s maybe an hour-long relationship, but, hey, still, you`re leaving me. You`re saying I`m not worth it. You`re going with some other guy, hey, forget it.

He gets angry. He killed her in a rage. That`s my belief. And with Stephany - oh, by the way, I want to say Stephany - Stephany I think was an attempted rape. This hasn`t been felony murder. That girl did not have her pants on. The kind of assault on her looks like to me an attempted sexual assault, and I think he killed her in rage because she said no as well. She was looking at his computer (INAUDIBLE).

[snipped for relevancy]


Coming up, we`re going to talk to the attorney who represents Natalee Holloway`s mom and get if we can from him her reaction. Plus, a deeper look at Joran`s bizarre behavior in court today. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Joran van der Sloot tells a Peruvian court he needs more time to think before pleading guilty to having murdered 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

Joining me now is attorney for Beth Holloway, John Q. Kelly, and body language expert Susan Constantine.

[Portions relating to Flores trial have been snipped]

.......

John Q. Kelly, you know, I`m looking at this guy, and I know Beth has just been through just awful experiences with him. I`m not - I don`t believe he`s capable of a sincere anything. What are Natalee`s mom`s thoughts?

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR BETH HOLLOWAY: Well, she has been down this road with him. She knows that he`s certainly not capable of a sincere confession or any sort of a truthful answer, truthful statement.

I mean, I think everybody is over reading his body language and things. He went into court today to telegraph his aloofness, sort of a first shot over the bow that I don`t care what you do to me, we`re going to do this on my terms or we`re not going to do it. He went in there. He was a former poker. He had the prosecution play their hand and want to hear exactly what they were going to say.

Now he wants to go back and craft whatever he`s going to say in court Wednesday, and Doctor, you`re not going to hear a sincere confession Wednesday either. He`s going to push. He`s going to give the minimum he can get. He`s going to engage in brinkmanship. And this wouldn`t get done Wednesday either. He doesn`t want to admit to the intentional murder and he doesn`t want to admit to the robbery.

Those things were conveyed today when he shook his head and looked away when they bring up certain facts, you could see what he was going to contest. And, you know -

PINSKY: And John -

KELLY: -- we`ve circled each other for five years and I know him very well.

PINSKY: That`s what I was going to say, for people that may not know all the details or forget what the Holloways have been through with him, can you give us a little, just a brief sketch of what it was like in the past dealing with him, promising things, promising confessions, promising to tell the Holloways what happened to their daughter, and then nothing, unless it served his needs.

KELLY: Well, of course. I mean, he`s scammed so many people out of so much money with so many stories, and I spent a rather lengthy amount of time with him one on one a couple of times in the last month before he went to Peru on this murder. He told me how he, you know, hood winked everybody, how he made fools of everybody.

And I can tell you when he was in that courtroom today, there`s no doubt that he thinks he is the smartest person in that courtroom. He thinks he is much smarter than those judges. He thinks he`s much smarter than the prosecutor and he thinks he`s much smarter than his own attorney. He is relying on himself and he thinks he is going to get the better of everybody.

PINSKY: John, I agree with you. I think that`s who we`re seeing here. And you`re the first person I`ve spoken to across the satellite here that seems to really agree with me that this is a very different quality of criminal here in this guy. I mean, I compared him to Casey Anthony.

KELLY: Oh, no question.

PINSKY: Yes. This is - this is - well, how would you - please, based on what your experience has been, compare him for me to say a Casey Anthony, who`s not a good person, a mess, lies, distorts, as I understand as she`s perceived, versus this guy who gets off on manipulating, taking things from people and murdering people. We have one minute, I`m sorry. Go ahead.

KELLY: You know, Casey Anthony was not born and raised to engage in whatever happened with she and her daughter. It was probably a short term thing where she, you know, made certain bad decisions and is moving on with her life.

Joran van der Sloot was born a self absorbed, attention-seeking, control freak who lives in a world of fiction he`s created from his youth where he`s always right, everybody else is wrong. Anything that happens, it`s not his fault, it`s the other person.

PINSKY: John, thank you very much.

KELLY: That`s in a nutshell. Sure.

PINSKY: Thank you, John. Susan, thank you as well. A very interesting conversation.

[yankee-in-france]

I understand that it isn't always easy .... but this is the NH forum not the Flores forum. Heli, I am moving your post to the trial discussion thread in the Flores forum. The comments to which you are responding to are in the Transcript thread of that forum.

[Knipoog]

Well Knipoog, probably is the operative word as in "probably" I "know this as a fact" probably said the queef.

Well Suraja, probably Brown has a secret fantasy of being in this kingsize bed on the beach.


BTW good to see you posting again.

[Black-Tulip]

At 17 he was a busy boy!


Debbie Gronlund
Have the authorities looked into the sex trade issue, when Natalie Holloway went missing the guy they hold responsible was doing this, selling women to Thailand for $11,000.00, never know it might be the case
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Where do they get this nonsense?

[bbeba103]

"Both of our daughters met their fate at the hands of the same killer."

"I would have done anything in order to have this day for Natalee's case."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45889216/ns ... wlGsaXwtQ0

I don't understand if this is how Beth feels then why is she fighting against Dave declaring Natalee dead, ? John Q. Kelly made statements that his client " still hopes " that Natalee is alive, and that their was no evidence of a crime...

[suraja]

"Both of our daughters met their fate at the hands of the same killer."

"I would have done anything in order to have this day for Natalee's case."

I don't understand if this is how Beth feels then why is she fighting against Dave declaring Natalee dead, ? John Q. Kelly made statements that his client " still hopes " that Natalee is alive, and that their was no evidence of a crime...

Boggles the mind doesn't it. According to Beth Joran killed Natalee, but having her declared dead would be bad for business I suppose.

As always, money trumps everything in Beth's world. I really will never understand her, Joran killed Natalee but she is really not dead..…which is it?

Guess it doesn't matter as long as the money keeps rolling in from donashions, hence keeping Beth in the lifestyle that she has become accustomed to thanks to the virgin, A-student, full scholarship 8 year med school bound American tourist.

One thing the Q is right about is there is no evidence of a crime.

[suraja]

Well Suraja, probably Brown has a secret fantasy of being in this kingsize bed on the beach.


BTW good to see you posting again.

Thanks, it's good to be back.

[suraja]

At 17 he was a busy boy!


Debbie Gronlund
Have the authorities looked into the sex trade issue, when Natalie Holloway went missing the guy they hold responsible was doing this, selling women to Thailand for $11,000.00, never know it might be the case
Like · Comment · December 31, 2011 at 7:22am ·

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Where do they get this nonsense?

They pull it out of their stinky ass?

[Carling]

Beth Holloways behavior at the time and subsequently has never made sense IMO.

[Need2Know]

Beth Holloways behavior at the time and subsequently has never made sense IMO.

That is true. BUT...does Joran have anything at all to do with Natalee never being seen alive again? Was he capable of murder in June of 2005?

You will find that the history of this board has been a battle between what Beth did/didn't do and said/didn't say vs. Joran and his actions and his words, and the fact that many (myself included) gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time.

Is he capable of murder?

Not liking Beth really does not have too much to do with the facts (that we know) of this disappearance and probable death.

Joran knows exactly what happened to Natalee. Hopefully one day he will find it somewhere in that heart of his to share the actual truth.

[Carling]

That is true. BUT...does Joran have anything at all to do with Natalee never being seen alive again? Was he capable of murder in June of 2005?

You will find that the history of this board has been a battle between what Beth did/didn't do and said/didn't say vs. Joran and his actions and his words, and the fact that many (myself included) gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time.

Is he capable of murder?

Not liking Beth really does not have too much to do with the facts (that we know) of this disappearance and probable death.

Joran knows exactly what happened to Natalee. Hopefully one day he will find it somewhere in that heart of his to share the actual truth.

IMO Joran may know what happened to Natalee. With regard to did he have anything to do with her not being seen alive again and be capable of murder at that young age is open for debate.
Is he capable of murder subsequently, it appears so.
This has nothing to do with liking or disliking Beth Holloway, it has more to do with the manner in which Natalees character and moral standing was initially portrayed which in my opinion was detrimental in those initial days as the picture painted of Natalee we have subsequently found out was far from accurate and led the Aruban LE to look for a girl that did not exist wasting possibly valuable time.
I do agree that hopefully soon Joran will share what he does know if he has this knowledge.

[Need2Know]

IMO Joran may know what happened to Natalee. With regard to did he have anything to do with her not being seen alive again and be capable of murder at that young age is open for debate.
Is he capable of murder subsequently, it appears so.
This has nothing to do with liking or disliking Beth Holloway, it has more to do with the manner in which Natalees character and moral standing was initially portrayed which in my opinion was detrimental in those initial days as the picture painted of Natalee we have subsequently found out was far from accurate and led the Aruban LE to look for a girl that did not exist wasting possibly valuable time.
I do agree that hopefully soon Joran will share what he does know if he has this knowledge.

Character is relative to who is describing it and in what perspective. I don't think any parent wants to believe their recently turned 18 year old daughter would go buck wild on vacation, but obviously, it happens. I have no illusions that if I place my own 17 year old daughter in that situation, with no real supervision, that temptation would probably get the best of her and stupid decisions and actions would follow.

[charlierat]

[I originally posted this on a different thread. It seems to fit better on this one so I move it.]

Did anyone else see JQK on the Dr. Drew show last night on HLN? I have never seen his eyes look so shifty. I'm not just being funny, here. My wife and I were seriously concerned that we were watching him have a petit mal seizure or a mild stroke on TV; his eyes were bouncing around in his head like a couple of marbles. Ironically, he shared the segment with a body language expert that was analyzing Joran's demeanor. I wanted to hear what the body language person had to say about JQK's presentation (which, of course, didn't happen).

I honestly don't know what JQK offered to the discussion, although I know they were talking about Joran's sentencing and also about Natalee's declaration of death. His eye movements were so distracting, I couldn't pay attention to what he was saying.

If I find a video (or if HLN posts one), I'll bring it over later.