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The Queef' (JQK), on 'Dr.' Drew 01/06/12
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You want to talk about a real criminal? Well, tonight a cocky Joran van der Sloot, a real criminal, on trial for murder, actually toying with the court - look at him - promised to plead guilty if he has some time to think about it. Take a look at this.
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BROWN: No. I call him a date rapist - a date rape guy with a rage problem, because what he does is he goes out and gets these girls, and girls will go with him for one reason or another as a date or a friend because he seems cute and nice and all that, and smart enough.
So the first girl goes with him and that was Natalee. And he`d been in bed with lots of girls on that beach probably, but Natalee went with him and said no. And that ticked him off and he became angry, lost his temper with her. Because he`s like a boyfriend losing his girlfriend, only it`s maybe an hour-long relationship, but, hey, still, you`re leaving me. You`re saying I`m not worth it. You`re going with some other guy, hey, forget it.
He gets angry. He killed her in a rage. That`s my belief. And with Stephany - oh, by the way, I want to say Stephany - Stephany I think was an attempted rape. This hasn`t been felony murder. That girl did not have her pants on. The kind of assault on her looks like to me an attempted sexual assault, and I think he killed her in rage because she said no as well. She was looking at his computer (INAUDIBLE).
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Coming up, we`re going to talk to the attorney who represents Natalee Holloway`s mom and get if we can from him her reaction. Plus, a deeper look at Joran`s bizarre behavior in court today. That`s next.
PINSKY: Joran van der Sloot tells a Peruvian court he needs more time to think before pleading guilty to having murdered 21-year-old Stephany Flores.
Joining me now is attorney for Beth Holloway, John Q. Kelly, and body language expert Susan Constantine.
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John Q. Kelly, you know, I`m looking at this guy, and I know Beth has just been through just awful experiences with him. I`m not - I don`t believe he`s capable of a sincere anything. What are Natalee`s mom`s thoughts?
JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR BETH HOLLOWAY: Well, she has been down this road with him. She knows that he`s certainly not capable of a sincere confession or any sort of a truthful answer, truthful statement.
I mean, I think everybody is over reading his body language and things. He went into court today to telegraph his aloofness, sort of a first shot over the bow that I don`t care what you do to me, we`re going to do this on my terms or we`re not going to do it. He went in there. He was a former poker. He had the prosecution play their hand and want to hear exactly what they were going to say.
Now he wants to go back and craft whatever he`s going to say in court Wednesday, and Doctor, you`re not going to hear a sincere confession Wednesday either. He`s going to push. He`s going to give the minimum he can get. He`s going to engage in brinkmanship. And this wouldn`t get done Wednesday either. He doesn`t want to admit to the intentional murder and he doesn`t want to admit to the robbery.
Those things were conveyed today when he shook his head and looked away when they bring up certain facts, you could see what he was going to contest. And, you know -
PINSKY: And John -
KELLY: -- we`ve circled each other for five years and I know him very well.
PINSKY: That`s what I was going to say, for people that may not know all the details or forget what the Holloways have been through with him, can you give us a little, just a brief sketch of what it was like in the past dealing with him, promising things, promising confessions, promising to tell the Holloways what happened to their daughter, and then nothing, unless it served his needs.
KELLY: Well, of course. I mean, he`s scammed so many people out of so much money with so many stories, and I spent a rather lengthy amount of time with him one on one a couple of times in the last month before he went to Peru on this murder. He told me how he, you know, hood winked everybody, how he made fools of everybody.
And I can tell you when he was in that courtroom today, there`s no doubt that he thinks he is the smartest person in that courtroom. He thinks he is much smarter than those judges. He thinks he`s much smarter than the prosecutor and he thinks he`s much smarter than his own attorney. He is relying on himself and he thinks he is going to get the better of everybody.
PINSKY: John, I agree with you. I think that`s who we`re seeing here. And you`re the first person I`ve spoken to across the satellite here that seems to really agree with me that this is a very different quality of criminal here in this guy. I mean, I compared him to Casey Anthony.
KELLY: Oh, no question.
PINSKY: Yes. This is - this is - well, how would you - please, based on what your experience has been, compare him for me to say a Casey Anthony, who`s not a good person, a mess, lies, distorts, as I understand as she`s perceived, versus this guy who gets off on manipulating, taking things from people and murdering people. We have one minute, I`m sorry. Go ahead.
KELLY: You know, Casey Anthony was not born and raised to engage in whatever happened with she and her daughter. It was probably a short term thing where she, you know, made certain bad decisions and is moving on with her life.
Joran van der Sloot was born a self absorbed, attention-seeking, control freak who lives in a world of fiction he`s created from his youth where he`s always right, everybody else is wrong. Anything that happens, it`s not his fault, it`s the other person.
PINSKY: John, thank you very much.
KELLY: That`s in a nutshell. Sure.
PINSKY: Thank you, John. Susan, thank you as well. A very interesting conversation.