Nancy Grace June 27 TRANSCRIPT 1st Post on Thread

[WordsofWisdom]

Beth:

We really rely on the supporters, it's endless support. Days are difficult when it gets quiet for a couple of weeks, you get discouraged,

will this be forgotten? will Aruba not be accountable for anything that happened on their island? We rely on the suporters to keep us going

Tune in to Days of Our lives...........

Whats with the ?question? format?
Who does she think she is...Wabbi?

[pathenry]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

[Spuds]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

And the best part is even though he allegedly saw everything he DID NOTHING!!! What a CROCK!!

[JesseLee]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

I picked up on that, too pathenry. Very interesting indeed.

[ViVi]

LOL, Bigfish, I agree. And, isn't that Colmes dude the sorriest excuse for a liberal you've ever seen? It's like he's a plant from the far right to make liberals look like wimps.

I've thought the same thing.

[reddog]

I don't get "testing the cable".
Testing it for what? It's probably been in the water forever.
Guess they'll come back and say ...yep, it's a cable.

Today it became a steel cable. It started out as a weight, then it was a pipe, then a piece of metal. Wonder what it will be tomorrow.

and....in the original story, wasn't it the guy took something out of the trunk and put her IN IT? i seem to recall that being said, 'cause i was thinking put her in the trunk or put her in what he took out of the trunk?

i guess i should look thru the transcript............

Indeed, Jossy related the story as the columbian observed the perpetrator taking something out of the trunk and "putting her in it". Whatever the hell that means.... a brown paper bag, a plastic bag, a cardboard box ...

ty. thats how i remembered it.

as i said, i was thinking put her in the trunk or put her in what he took out of the trunk?

when they said weights, the only weights i could think of that someone could put someone "in" (assuming the weights were taken from the trunk of a car) were dive belts or vest weights.

then they said pipe and i thought you sure as shit could not have a pipe in the trunk that would be of sufficient weight to weight down a body. not to even mention a pipe larger enough to put someone "in".

so i thought they must mean put her in the trunk.

and i thought i recalled a story from a bit ago of another "witness" (or perhaps this same guy - who the fuck can tell at this point) saying he saw someone put a female in the trunk of a car.

but, knowing the penchant for vagueness (to put it midly) of damn near everyone in this "case", it could mean that he took a bag (garment bag for example) out of the trunk, put her in the bag, then got some kind of weight (not necessarily from the trunk) and used that to weigh down the body.

[CSI]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

[Bigfish]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

I don't know where she was coming from but, JMO, she looked strange to me. Somehow different.

BF

[iwabwu]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

He may not have had a watch, but the sun was soon up after the male left with car. What time did the sun rise that morning in Aruba? People knew the time of day long before watches and sun dials. High noon? Dusk? Dawn? JMHO

Perhaps he was afraid of the male? We don't know how large or small this Columbian is? He just woke up and saw something horrible. Isn't it possible that he was in shock? Perhaps he has been reliving the events of that morning every day for over a year? Can't put it out of his mind? Wished he could turn back the clock and do something? Anything? Perhaps all that he has left is what he's given - his testimony and some evidence. Perhaps he fears for his life? Perhaps he has struggled with remorse over his inaction? JMHO

[Bigfish]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

He may not have had a watch, but the sun was soon up after the male left with car. What time did the sun rise that morning in Aruba? People knew the time of day long before watches and sun dials. High noon? Dusk? Dawn? JMHO

Perhaps he was afraid of the male? We don't know how large or small this Columbian is? He just woke up and saw something horrible. Isn't it possible that he was in shock? Perhaps he has been reliving the events of that morning every day for over a year? Can't put it out of his mind? Wished he could turn back the clock and do something? Anything? Perhaps all that he has left is what he's given - his testimony and some evidence. Perhaps he fears for his life? Perhaps he has struggled with remorse over his inaction? JMHO

BF

[justthefactspls]

Beth, there's a line for having responsibility for Natalee. It goes in this order, Natalee, Beth, Dave, Jug, Robin, Grandmother, Other Family, Chaperones, Best Friends, Friends, Acquaintances, Perfect Strangers, Country of Citzenship, State of Residence, State of Birth, Elected Official of the previous states and country, and lastly the Country she Visited.

When you take responsibility for the number you did on throwing this case off course, then we'll start to work down the line. BTW, where does the "hero" Jossy Mansur fit in to the list? Has Joe Mammana, Dr.Phil, John Walsh, TES, Jaime Skeeters, et al earned a spot on the list?

[justthefactspls]

Perhaps he was afraid of the male? We don't know how large or small this Columbian is? He just woke up and saw something horrible. Isn't it possible that he was in shock? Perhaps he has been reliving the events of that morning every day for over a year? Can't put it out of his mind? Wished he could turn back the clock and do something? Anything? Perhaps all that he has left is what he's given - his testimony and some evidence. Perhaps he fears for his life? Perhaps he has struggled with remorse over his inaction? JMHO

So guilt ridden it took a year of begging and pleading for him to say something. Shock for a year. Remorse at inaction, wow do you think remorse kinda builds up like gas, it gotta come out somewhere? Must have been really painful after a year. I mean crackaddicts beat him to the punch. Hmmm...

OMG, I repeat, these theories don't even pass for good fiction anymore.

[pathenry]

I thought Nancy cut short the producer when he said "the devil was in the details". He implied that the person being detained knew too many details from someone to be able to witness what he claims to have witnessed from whatever vantage point he claimed to have had. (Kind of like what MF has been saying...he didnt have a watch, was in car, behind a "bush", but saw everything.)

He may not have had a watch, but the sun was soon up after the male left with car. What time did the sun rise that morning in Aruba? People knew the time of day long before watches and sun dials. High noon? Dusk? Dawn? JMHO


Perhaps he was afraid of the male? We don't know how large or small this Columbian is? He just woke up and saw something horrible. Isn't it possible that he was in shock? Perhaps he has been reliving the events of that morning every day for over a year? Can't put it out of his mind? Wished he could turn back the clock and do something? Anything? Perhaps all that he has left is what he's given - his testimony and some evidence. Perhaps he fears for his life? Perhaps he has struggled with remorse over his inaction? JMHO

How come he had a car, but no watch? What kind of car doesn't have a clock on the radio? What kind of car can fit behind a bush? How come the guy could see cable being drug out, but nota better description of the guy. How big was the cable (being drug out....not on the guy)? Why did he just watch. Where were his hands while he was watching? Why didn't Beth or JQK mention Joran tonight? Is truth roaring it's head? Why do you talk bullshit about sundials....take that to court and see what it will get you Dr. Quinn.

[Trixie]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

I don't know where she was coming from but, JMO, she looked strange to me. Somehow different.

BF

Pat, I noticed. In the last 2 interviews she has been very weird....

Almost disinterested in any talk of Natalee. Tonight all she could talk about were here supporters.

There was a segment of LKL tonight about missing children. Contrasting those mothers to Beth you are able to see just how bizarre she sounds. Some moms had daughters that had been missing for years and you could see and hear their pain.....Not Beth....on and on and on about her supporters.

[DivaToo]

BF

I love ya' BF, but this pic makes me sad

[pathenry]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

I don't know where she was coming from but, JMO, she looked strange to me. Somehow different.

BF

Pat, I noticed. In the last 2 interviews she has been very weird....

Almost disinterested in any talk of Natalee. Tonight all she could talk about were here supporters.

There was a segment of LKL tonight about missing children. Contrasting those mothers to Beth you are able to see just how bizarre she sounds. Some moms had daughters that had been missing for years and you could see and hear their pain.....Not Beth....on and on and on about her supporters.

I saw the Bish mother speak about how 3 years later they found her daughter bone by bone and put that in contrast to Beth's comment to the Birmingham reporter...we don't even know if she is "recoverable". Make's me shake my head. Sending money seems to be what brings "closure" best for Beth.

[Bigfish]

BF

I love ya' BF, but this pic makes me sad

It's only a make believe dog and gun but the spam was real.

BF

[Isanah]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

I don't know where she was coming from but, JMO, she looked strange to me. Somehow different.

BF

Pat, I noticed. In the last 2 interviews she has been very weird....

Almost disinterested in any talk of Natalee. Tonight all she could talk about were here supporters.

There was a segment of LKL tonight about missing children. Contrasting those mothers to Beth you are able to see just how bizarre she sounds. Some moms had daughters that had been missing for years and you could see and hear their pain.....Not Beth....on and on and on about her supporters.

I saw the Bish mother speak about how 3 years later they found her daughter bone by bone and put that in contrast to Beth's comment to the Birmingham reporter...we don't even know if she is "recoverable". Make's me shake my head. Sending money seems to be what brings "closure" best for Beth.

Again, another strange use of words that leads me to wonder about the possibility of a OD, medjet, and nursing home recovery!

Beth: "I know Natalee is being taken care of. She is in God's hands."

Snip from a clip on cable news show last night from "old" coverage recap of the case.

[pathenry]

So that was all there was to it? It was really really a short segment then.

Where was Beth spewing from tonight?

I don't know where she was coming from but, JMO, she looked strange to me. Somehow different.

BF

Pat, I noticed. In the last 2 interviews she has been very weird....

Almost disinterested in any talk of Natalee. Tonight all she could talk about were here supporters.

There was a segment of LKL tonight about missing children. Contrasting those mothers to Beth you are able to see just how bizarre she sounds. Some moms had daughters that had been missing for years and you could see and hear their pain.....Not Beth....on and on and on about her supporters.

I saw the Bish mother speak about how 3 years later they found her daughter bone by bone and put that in contrast to Beth's comment to the Birmingham reporter...we don't even know if she is "recoverable". Make's me shake my head. Sending money seems to be what brings "closure" best for Beth.

Again, another strange use of words that leads me to wonder about the possibility of a OD, medjet, and nursing home recovery!

Beth: "I know Natalee is being taken care of. She is in God's hands."

Snip from a clip on cable news show last night from "old" coverage recap of the case.

An OD was my first thought to the case...a night of partying gone wrong. The MedJet really set off an alert. Nursing home is/was a possibility and the funds may be paying for that care ( or supposed to be) All contained within the family. Who would come forward now and admit it? I sometimes think that Natalee must have had died or Beth wouldn't be so confident and brazen. It is hard for me to think she would risk Natalee coming forward and blowing the lid wide open, if she is in some type of vegetative state though...it would be a possibility, but still much more of a risk that it would leak out somehow. Beth seems pretty damn confident in her actions. Just part of Greta's dead agent maneuvers? I envision Greta and Beth holing up working out techniques like an Actor's Studio workshop.

[wvgirl]

Pat, I've often thought -a night of partying gone wrong. and the MedJet, search of the "crack houses" claims of someone drugging her drink, etc tell me OD. But I would think if she were in the nursing home, someone/staff would have discovered who she is and talked by now. Surely not all of them are family. There is quite a bit of turnover in the support staff in these facilities. Anyway, I can't hardly put much stock in what we hear of the Columbian in jail. Too many inconsistencies. Love your Av

[Trixie]

That's it! Disinterested, almost as if she already knows the answer. hmmm

[ViVi]

That's it! Disinterested, almost as if she already knows the answer. hmmm

That thought has been creeping into my mind lately.

[Bigfish]

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We want justice, and we have to recognize the fact that, you know, this crime has been committed on the island of Aruba and we know the perpetrators.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, LAST SEEN WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I only knew her for one night. I should have just stayed home and this wouldn`t have happened to me. It would have happened to another person.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: There are some statements out there that one of her friend`s alibis does not match up. Both things lead me to believe that he knows more than what he`s telling us.

TWITTY: We just have to, though, keep going. The only way we will get justice for Natalee is if we do keep going.

VAN DER SLOOT: I just hope that the truth coming out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, Joran Van Der Sloot, maybe it will. Apparently, there is yet another witness now behind bars in Aruba that claims he observed the murder of Natalee Holloway. Can he be trusted? Is he for real?

Joining us right now is Natalee`s mother, Beth Twitty. Beth, thank you for being with us.

TWITTY: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Beth, every time you discover that there is a new witness, does your heart jump and think maybe there is an end to this?

TWITTY: Well, you know, I was thinking about that just a while ago while I was listening to your show. And, you know, for the first six to nine months, I didn`t believe anything. I always knew and was able to remain guarded.

But I`ll be honest. The longer it goes on, I think that I`m a lot more vulnerable now to just latching onto things that I hear when I know if, I can really stop and keep myself grounded, that, you know, it`s not true. And it`s probably leading nowhere with this new witness. But I just can`t help but let myself go the longer the time passes.

GRACE: Well, recently, Joran Van Der Sloot, the chief suspect earlier named by the Aruban police, who seemed to have botched the case from the very get-go, was in New York and was served with legal papers. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Back off. Back off. It`s official. Keep walking, bro. Just keep walking.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are legal papers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please don`t touch me. Please don`t touch me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t you put your hands on me. Don`t you put your hands on me, pal.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are legal papers, you understand? You understand me?

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a legal process, and you`ve been served.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fine.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is private investigator Bo Dietl trying to serve legal papers on Joran Van Der Sloot, the Aruban judge`s son, who was once named the prime suspect in the disappearance of an American girl, Natalee Holloway.

With us, Natalee`s mom. Beth, you seem to me like you are not be putting a lot of credibility in this new witness, Carlos from Colombia`s, statement. What is his statement? What does he claim to have seen?

TWITTY: Well, I think what he was conveying to some of the persons that have interviewed him was that he`s actually an eyewitness as to what happened or what transpired that night. And I think that he was describing a tall male. And the young lady he was with, he thought at the time, could have been Natalee.

And I think he had some pretty detailed accounts as to what happened. And it even led to the recovery -- I believe John had mentioned earlier -- a recovery of a cable that was from the location where this witness described that he had seen this activity transpire between these two individuals.

And I think that was sent to the forensic institute in Holland. No, we have not heard back, though, any results as to, you know, what they found from this piece of cable.

GRACE: To the Holloway Twitty attorney joining us tonight, a veteran trial lawyer himself, John Q. Kelly. John, thank you for being with us.

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Sure, Nancy.

GRACE: John, tell me about the cable that was found as a result of Carlos, the witness`s story, the alleged witness?

KELLY: Well, Carlos took the Aruban police to the location. He indicated that he had witnessed certain events. He had indicated that he saw the male take a female body, dispose of it at sea, and dispose of it by weighting it down with some steel cable.

They actually had Aruban divers go into the sea at that location, recovered steel cable matching generally the description given by the eyewitness. So that was a form of corroboration.

They`ve x-rayed the cable. They`ve sent it to the Netherlands forensic institute for further testing. And, you know what, Nancy? It`s been two months, and we haven`t heard anything about the results of that testing, which is sort of par for the course, but we`d like to hear something.

GRACE: Well, according to Beth, as well as Natalee`s dad, they never tell them anything. Why do you think this would be any different, John?

KELLY: Well, you know, I`ve had a line of communication with Karen Janssen, the prosecutor. And, you know, everything just takes so long. Remember, the search in the sand dunes took six months. You know, I`ve been waiting on the results of the cable examination for a month and a half now. And they just sort of move at their own pace and don`t realize, you know, you`ve got a family that`s very anxious, going through hell here, and lot of other people who want to see some justice done and get some answers here.

GRACE: Let`s go to our producer, Eric Marrapodi. Eric, what else does this guy, Carlos the Colombian, as he`s referred to, what else does he say he saw?

ERIC MARRAPODI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, this young man says that he saw the murder of Natalee Holloway and the disposal of her body, as John was explaining. And what`s important is to how much detail he gave in that statement. And that`s really what`s at issue here and whether or not those details can be corroborated.

Nancy, a source very close to the case tells me tonight that the devil is in the details, that some of those details that he`s claiming to have seen, the investigators believe are just too detailed for him to have seen from his vantage point.

GRACE: Right. Let`s go to Kelly in Texas. Hi, Kelly, what`s your question?

CALLER: Yes, I would like to ask Beth Holloway how does she deal with every day of not having her daughter and how does cope with...

GRACE: OK, thanks, Kelly, for calling in.

To Beth Twitty, response?

TWITTY: Well, I mean, we really rely on the supporters. And it`s just been amazing, their endless support for the family. And I mean, days are difficult. Some days, especially, you know, when it gets quiet for a couple of weeks. You really begin to get discouraged that, you know, that this will just be forgotten and Aruba will not be accountable for any action that, you know, had taken place on their island.

And, you know, it`s difficult to have that hope that, you know, we will get to the bottom of it. But, you know, we just rely on the supporters to continue to keep us going.

GRACE: And, Keith Lindsay, what do you do as a prosecutor when you`ve got a witness that has credibility problems but also has some valid points? How do you deal with that?

LINDSAY: Well, I think that the more points of corroboration that you can place in front of a jury in a visual manner that has been corroborated by the investigators, by the physical evidence, of course, will also bolster his credibility. But if you can`t corroborate his testimony, and if he`s got a motive to lie, then, of course, you have real problems.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[JesseLee]

That's it! Disinterested, almost as if she already knows the answer. hmmm

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[pathenry]

Pat, I've often thought -a night of partying gone wrong. and the MedJet, search of the "crack houses" claims of someone drugging her drink, etc tell me OD. But I would think if she were in the nursing home, someone/staff would have discovered who she is and talked by now. Surely not all of them are family. There is quite a bit of turnover in the support staff in these facilities. Anyway, I can't hardly put much stock in what we hear of the Columbian in jail. Too many inconsistencies. Love your Av

I agree about the support staff, but I still think it is curious that Brother John and wife(is there a family?) haven't ever been seen, even at the "vigils", that I can remember. So many scenarios, but it has always seemed like a party out of control and a mother hell-bent on revenge, just because it happened there.
I hope the new baby and mother are doing well.
I'm glad you like my avatar...pat needed to unwind a little. A very nice poster provided him with the new look.