Arubagirl translation of Jossy Editorial Aug 7th

[sunmoonstars]

Editorial by Jossy Mansur

Natalee’s Case Is Raising Its Head Again!

When we believed that the case left the magnetic publishing field in which it was a captiv, and the police and prosecutors could do their work in more tranquility, the sentence in the case of Paulus van der Sloot and the rejection of the Judge to take the case in New York, served as a combustion to feed the flames of passion on both sides. One could hear an optimistic Tacopina (only God and he know why!) in interviews after the New York ruling, without contributing anything new to the case. Just a reptition of ineffective things. He didn’t answer the cardinal questions (for example, how did Joran reach his home that night, and why did he lie so much and made up so many stories to lead the police astray).

In the meanwhile, in Curaçao the sentence awarding Paulus a sum of 50,000.00 florins was not well received by a Minister and the Police officials who have been in the same experience of a temporary detention, but who were awarded by insignificant amounts such as afl. 700.00 or afl. 7,000.00 while Paulus received the gift of afl. 50,000.00 from the pocket of the Aruban People!. The completely unequal sums again fired up emotions that in Aruba there is a justice of class; that if you are a Dutch person born in the Netherlands, all doors are open to you, but if you are a Dutch born in Aruba or in whichever other island, doors are hermetically sealed in the passageways of justice!*) Fair or not, those thoughts are still alive, instead of disappearing together with the colonial era that is behind us.

The case in New York is understandable because since a beginning experts of American law said that the Judge was going to dismiss the case by reason of territorial competency. The United States is not Aruba, and in the United States the Justice system is very different to the one that functions in Aruba. In addition, one of the fundamental arguments is that the case did not take place in New York, but in Aruba, which is a foreign island to the American justice system. For all practical purposes it is an understandable sentence. But, the one in Aruba left a lot of people astonished.

Now the case of Natalee is surging again. At DIARIO we work hard to continue with the investigation, because the three suspects still have not told us what happened with Natalee when she was in their company. No other person came forward to declare that they were with Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, as he himself declares. That reduces the mystery to the participation of of the three suspects, because only they declared that Natalee was with them when she disappeared.

Joran’s lies are many, and not, like a lawyer in the U.S. declares, because he is young, he got scared and he temporary lost his head. If he only told one lie, or at the maximum two, we could agree with Tacopina, but there are a lot of them that are documented by the Police. Let us review some of them briefly so that nobody stays with the image of purity that his lawyer wants to create for him.

1) Joran declared that he left Natalee at the Holiday Inn, where she stumbled and fell, and that one or more security guards came to help her enter the hotel to go to her room (this lie caused the guards various unnecessary days of detention).
2) Joran declared that Natalee asked him to look at the sharks behind the lighthouse
3) Joran declared that he was with Natalee on the beach, where the young girl fell asleep and that he left her lying on the beach.
4) After that he changed this declaration to which he said that Natalee became sick and he left her in that condition on the beach.
5) Next he declared to to the police that Deepak went back to Natalee on the beach, and that he believes that Joran raped and killed Natalee (documented by 4 police officers!).
6) He declared also that he suspects that Deepak buried Natalee close to the first fisherman’s hut, and even went to there to the police, but nothing was found.
7) Joran declared to a Dutch interrogator who came to help with the case, that his shoe size (the one that he lost on the beach) was a 14, while in official statement to the police he said that it is 11.
8) Deepak declared that Joran would face 15 years in prison if the girl would be found.
9) Joran declared that he is willing to go to the police to tell them how Satish hit a girl with a car.

In any case, there are so many of these declarations that I don’t understand how a lawyer (and a good lawyer, I’ve been told) can say happily that he lied because he was 17 years old and scared. However, in the same tape recorded in the police car he told Deepak and Satish that he doesn’t care going to jail because he can resist as long as necessary in jail. A healthy 17 year old boy does not make these kinds of declarations!

Besides all the previously mentioned lies, and many more, the case remains stuck. It doesn’t occur to anybody to go deeper to the bottom of all the documented declarations by Joran, Deepak and Satish, and the other interrogated witnesses? These statements were simply taken for what they were and were left lying on papers all this time. Like this you will not solve the case and it will go on creating problems for Aruba.

And now I have a question for the Government: why don’t you file a case against the three suspects and Paulus van der Sloot for all the damage that they caused Aruba? They were the ones who left with the girl in the late hours, in their company she disappeared; they themselves accused each other of doing something bad to Natalee, they themselves created all the stories and lies to lead the police astray! Why were local lawyers not consulted to start a case against Paulus and against the three suspects for all the material damage that they caused our island?

They are principally responsible for the bad reputation that Aruba and our justice system received in the exterior! I am of the opinion that there must be somewhere in the Law to persecute people who destroy the good name of a place, and cause considerable financial problems for its entire population.


Diario August 7, 2006, page 3


*) Obvious Jossy isn’t Dutch born in the Netherlands, because then he wouldn’t speak such UTTER nonsense.

edited to remove the smiley

[sunmoonstars]

I have no idea what that smiley is in there and couldn't edit it out. That is supposed to be the number 8.

[statinmyopinion2]

Jossy Manure...#1 on Joe Tapocina's list to sue...

[Hannie]

Thanks sun and Ag!


Jossy is still an asshole, it looks like he`s jealous? Now he`s "trying to make it "Arubans versus Dutchies", this guy really has a couple of screws loose.....Ah but it probably sells......

[sunmoonstars]

Jossy Manure...#1 on Joe Tapocina's list to sue...

If only he could prove the things he publishes.

[spngbobthebldr]

" No other person came forward to declare that they were with Natalee after Joran left her on the beach, as he himself declares. That reduces the mystery to the participation of of the three suspects, because only they declared that Natalee was with them when she disappeared."


Killers don't rush to police to announce they killed. They don't go to the police and place themselves as the last to be with the dead person(or presumed dead). They try to distance themselves from the person.

[jmo]

Thank you arubagirl! And thank you sms for posting it here. Very, Very appreciated!

[sunmoonstars]

Thanks sun and Ag!


Jossy is still an asshole, it looks like he`s jealous? Now he`s "trying to make it "Arubans versus Dutchies", this guy really has a couple of screws loose.....Ah but it probably sells......

Hannie, you're welcome. I love the new shango btw.

[jmo]

I have no idea what that smiley is in there and couldn't edit it out. That is supposed to be the number 8.

It's because the "cool" (the guy with the sunglasses on) smiley has a similar code. That really should be changed (mo)

This is the "cool" smilie's code: 8)

Eta: It can be disabled by clicking "Disable Smilies in this post"

[justamom]

Jossy Manure...#1 on Joe Tapocina's list to sue...

If only he could prove the things he publishes.

His articles are meant to inflame people and are no better then the trash mags like NE etc. He could only wish they would hire him and he could be a US resident. I hope Joe T sues his panties off.
Thanks AG ans SMS for bringing the translated version over to us

[sunmoonstars]

I have no idea what that smiley is in there and couldn't edit it out. That is supposed to be the number 8.

It's because the "cool" (the guy with the sunglasses on) smiley has a similar code. That really should be changed (mo)

This is the "cool" smilie's code:

Eta: It can be disabled by clicking "Disable Smilies in this post"

jmo, thanks for explaining that to me..I thought I was losing my mind this morning when I couldn't get rid of it.

[prolific]

Thanks AG and SMS.

Oh Yeah, Jossy needs to be at the top of the list for the slander suit.

He is actually twisting the police car conversations? Someone also needs to ask him if these supposed declarations of Joran were from the statements he dug out of the trash or the statements he fabricated.

Diario, worse than National Enguirer.

[DiamondDot]

Jossy's assinine ravings make him look guilty as hell.

Of what, I don't know, YET.

Something just isn't right.

[Scoop]

The sad part is, most people who will read Diario today, will believe it. The rest of us know that:

LIE # 1. J2K originally lied about dropping Natalee off at the HI.

LIE #2. Prior to being arrested, J2K agreed that although Satish picked Joran up from the beach, they would all say Deepak picked him up. (according to Joran, what's the harm, he knew they had done nothing wrong to "the girl" and why would it matter which Kalpoe was driving ~ Satish probably did not have a Driver's License ~ so why get him in trouble) Once they were all arrested, Joran gave the details of being on the beach with Natalee and lied by saying Deepak picking him up. Satish told the truth and said he picked Joran up from the beach and Deepak told the truth saying that he did NOT pick Joran up from the beach.

On June 10th before the Judge of instruction, each boy infront of the other had to give a statement. None of the boys' stories matched on how Joran got home. Joran apparently got very upset and started yelling at Deepak in the court room for denying picking him up. Deepak asked Joran to lie, then backed out of the lie (which is the normal thing to do, to tell the truth before the judge). Joran told the truth at this point, "Satish picked me up, but Deepak told me to tell everyone that he picked me up!" --- This looked pretty bad to the judge and this is exactly the reason Joran spent so long in jail. This is it, nothing else, no evidence that anything happened to Natalee except that she cannot be found.

LIE #3. Joran was questioned again and even smacked around by an officer to tell the truth about how he got home. Joran declared that Satish picked him up, and the police continued to call him a liar and that both Deepak and Satish deny picking him up. After hours of interogation, and feeling set up by Deepak and Satish (2 against 1) he stated that he walked home.

RE: Deepak killed and buried her at the Fisherman's Huts statement was a tactic of the ALE to get the boys to turn on each other. And for the record, unsigned by Joran.

[Heli]

" It doesn’t occur to anybody to go deeper to the bottom of all the documented declarations by Joran, Deepak and Satish, and the other interrogated witnesses? These statements were simply taken for what they were and were left lying on papers all this time. Like this you will not solve the case and it will go on creating problems for Aruba. "

The timing of Jossy's editorial is interesting when justaposed
against Debbie's recent posting of what she purports to be
the valid, authentic Declarations of J2K's that form part of the
case file.

I see a triangle here: Jossy > Beth/Dave > BFN (Debbie) in
this resurrection of the suspects' statements?

[charlierat]

I see a triangle here: Jossy > Beth/Dave > BFN (Debbie) in
this resurrection of the suspects' statements?

I see the same triangle. I also see the last acts of desparate people. The train is pulling into the station.

[Heli]

Thank you Scoop. Reading your account of the
ongoing interrogations and tactics of ALE shows
me how various scenarios came to be created
and used to manipulate the suspects to get at
the truth of the matter.

We have an excellent example in this case
of what happens when inside details of an
investigation are leaked to the press, the family
and the general public.

When LE says the well known phrase: "we're
not revealing that information because it would
compromise the investigation" it's for a damn
good reason. This case proves how leaked
and/or appropriated investigative docs and info
can jeopardize an ongoing investigation.

And the "Trinity" hasn't stopped with its
interference in the case either.... to wit the
recent publications on BFN

[prolific]

" It doesn’t occur to anybody to go deeper to the bottom of all the documented declarations by Joran, Deepak and Satish, and the other interrogated witnesses? These statements were simply taken for what they were and were left lying on papers all this time. Like this you will not solve the case and it will go on creating problems for Aruba. "

The timing of Jossy's editorial is interesting when justaposed
against Debbie's recent posting of what she purports to be
the valid, authentic Declarations of J2K's that form part of the
case file.

I see a triangle here: Jossy > Beth/Dave > BFN (Debbie) in
this resurrection of the suspects' statements?

Did we ever figure out if Joran's statement is even legitimate, considering there isn't one signature on it? Not Joran's and not the police officers.

[Gabrielle]

I am curious as to Why this man has insinuated himself so deeply into this case?

For Greta, I have no doubt at all that it was for ratings...$$, of course.

Has his focus on this case been a boost to Dario in Aruba?

[Heli]

Debbie's posted suspect statements are interesting
but I discount them as forming part of the case
dossier -- not in the form and substance that she's
posted.

I'm very curious to know whether it's standard
for police to produce a Declaration that goes into
such minute, graphic detail of sexual play between
two teenagers. It seemed rather pornographic to
me and those details have no bearing on the case.
It seemed extremely gratuitous to me.

It might have been in order for Debbie to black
out those details, which only served to infringe
on Natalee's privacy and dignity.

[Gabrielle]

Debbie's posted suspect statements are interesting
but I discount them as forming part of the case
dossier -- not in the form and substance that she's
posted.

I'm very curious to know whether it's standard
for police to produce a Declaration that goes into
such minute, graphic detail of sexual play between
two teenagers. It seemed rather pornographic to
me and those details have no bearing on the case.
It seemed extremely gratuitous to me.

It might have been in order for Debbie to black
out those details, which only served to infringe
on Natalee's privacy and dignity.

You know what, I agree...that added nothing for our purposes.

And I agree with the poster who wondered if they do not own a shredder.
For crying out loud.

Although, I don't think all of these statements were rooted from the trash.
I think there was a leak from inside.

[Hannie]

Debbie's posted suspect statements are interesting
but I discount them as forming part of the case
dossier -- not in the form and substance that she's
posted.

I'm very curious to know whether it's standard
for police to produce a Declaration that goes into
such minute, graphic detail of sexual play between
two teenagers. It seemed rather pornographic to
me and those details have no bearing on the case.
It seemed extremely gratuitous to me.

It might have been in order for Debbie to black
out those details, which only served to infringe
on Natalee's privacy and dignity.

You know what, I agree...that added nothing for our purposes.

And I agree with the poster who wondered if they do not own a shredder.
For crying out loud.

Although, I don't think all of these statements were rooted from the trash.

I think there was a leak from inside.

Good point, i cannot see any other reason. I don`t believe for a minute they just "throw" such, or any documents just in a trash bin.......And that they don`t have a shredder.....Or the throwing in the trash must have been "on purpose" by some individual....

[JD]

Debbie's posted suspect statements are interesting
but I discount them as forming part of the case
dossier -- not in the form and substance that she's
posted.

I'm very curious to know whether it's standard
for police to produce a Declaration that goes into
such minute, graphic detail of sexual play between
two teenagers. It seemed rather pornographic to
me and those details have no bearing on the case.
It seemed extremely gratuitous to me.

It might have been in order for Debbie to black
out those details, which only served to infringe
on Natalee's privacy and dignity.

You know what, I agree...that added nothing for our purposes.

And I agree with the poster who wondered if they do not own a shredder.
For crying out loud.

Although, I don't think all of these statements were rooted from the trash.
I think there was a leak from inside.

I think that's correct. I dont know that "leak" is necessarily the right word--but it may be that's exactly the right. Recall, the FBI was present observing interrogations. I think these statements came from the FBI to Beth--from there, who knows exactly how they got to Debbi. I could be mistaken but I have a vague recollection of Beth even saying she had them "flown out" from the FBI. Anyone remember that?

I'd think that Beth is the one who gave them to Greta as well. I also think that may have been what Bachus was alluding to when he spoke of improper disclosures; obviously it was in the LE's interests for the boys not to know what was in the others' statements. Greta stopped reading the statements mid stream and never mentioned it again.

[Heli]

Anything is possible, but I'm not inclined to believe
for a minute that Beth got Declarations from the
FBI, nope, no way.

Twelve FBI agents may have been there observing
and possibly having access to documents, but I
highly doubt they'd be given copies to "take home"

"The Penguin" is at the bottom of this

[JD]

Anything is possible, but I'm not inclined to believe
for a minute that Beth got Declarations from the
FBI, nope, no way.

Twelve FBI agents may have been there observing
and possibly having access to documents, but I
highly doubt they'd be given copies to "take home"

"The Penguin" is at the bottom of this

Nah, it's gotta be The Riddler or Ma Barker.