State Department notified on June 1, 2005 -Natalee kidnapped

[JD]

fix that.

LOL. Ok, I will. That's what I get for trying to limit the quotestacks. happens every time.

stacks should never be limited.

I'm gonna bite my tongue for the moment cuz I'm on double secret probation. ;}

[DiamondDot]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

[JD]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

[Fiery]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

[JD]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

[DiamondDot]

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Uh...... that was exactly the point I was making. Apparently the 'kidnapping' took place after the kids were safely under US jurisdiction. Right there, inside the Aruba airport, FEB calls Beth.

[pax]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Do you think this is an organized conspiracy amongst all members of Aruban Law Enforcement, to not try to solve this case?

[JD]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Do you think this is an organized conspiracy amongst all members of Aruban Law Enforcement, to not try to solve this case?

No, I dont.

[JD]

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Uh...... that was exactly the point I was making. Apparently the 'kidnapping' took place after the kids were safely under US jurisdiction. Right there, inside the Aruba airport, FEB calls Beth.

[MediumRareTBone]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Congressman bachus got calls from the parents of the NB children who went to Aruba and they did not want their children talking to those people from Aruba. And he was also going to look into why, months after the request was made thru proper channels, the US Dept of State had not responded to Aruba's request to interveiw the MB children.

ALE has no subpoena rights in the US.

[pax]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Do you think this is an organized conspiracy amongst all members of Aruban Law Enforcement, to not try to solve this case?

No, I dont.

I'd presume you would feel that people who were on a trip involving a missing student in the United States should not oppose being interviewed by law enforcement in the United States.

Since you don't think ALE are involved in an organized conspiracy, why do you oppose people from Mountain Brook be interviewed by ALE?

And, if they oppose being interviewed by ALE, don't you think they deserve the criticism they get? Wouldn't the specific criticism that they are hampering the investigation be justified?

[JD]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Congressman bachus got calls from the parents of the NB children who went to Aruba and they did not want their children talking to those people from Aruba. And he was also going to look into why, months after the request was made thru proper channels, the US Dept of State had not responded to Aruba's request to interveiw the MB children.

ALE has no subpoena rights in the US.

Ok, the meeting was simply a meeting of investigators. ALE told Bachus what they were doing and he apparently took them at their word. There was no investigation into the investigation. I'm talking about an independent investigation like Interpol is capable of doing. They would see all the evidence, look at the entire file and make a determination.

I didnt get from Bachus' statement that the State Dept had "refused" anything, and I dont know what was requested and if it was done through the proper channels but I'll go look again. What I understood was that he was encouraging cooperation, on both fronts and he was commenting that even thought the kids' parents didnt want ALE to interview them -- they needed to cooperate anyway because it could be helpful. As far as I know, ALE still has not interviewed the MB kids.

[Fiery]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Congressman bachus got calls from the parents of the NB children who went to Aruba and they did not want their children talking to those people from Aruba. And he was also going to look into why, months after the request was made thru proper channels, the US Dept of State had not responded to Aruba's request to interveiw the MB children.

ALE has no subpoena rights in the US.

Ok, the meeting was simply a meeting of investigators. ALE told Bachus what they were doing and he apparently took them at their word. There was no investigation into the investigation. I'm talking about an independent investigation like Interpol is capable of doing. They would see all the evidence, look at the entire file and make a determination.

I didnt get from Bachus' statement that the State Dept had "refused" anything, and I dont know what was requested and if it was done through the proper channels but I'll go look again. What I understood was that he was encouraging cooperation, on both fronts and he was commenting that even thought the kids' parents didnt want ALE to interview them -- they needed to cooperate anyway because it could be helpful. As far as I know, ALE still has not interviewed the MB kids.

yes, didn't they come to the US and accopanied by FBI agents interview something like 18 females...and four females refused the interview? I remember everyone being a little shocked that they only wanted to speak to females..

[JD]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Do you think this is an organized conspiracy amongst all members of Aruban Law Enforcement, to not try to solve this case?

No, I dont.

I'd presume you would feel that people who were on a trip involving a missing student in the United States should not oppose being interviewed by law enforcement in the United States.

Since you don't think ALE are involved in an organized conspiracy, why do you oppose people from Mountain Brook be interviewed by ALE?

And, if they oppose being interviewed by ALE, don't you think they deserve the criticism they get? Wouldn't the specific criticism that they are hampering the investigation be justified?

I didnt say I dont think ALE is involved in an organized conspiracy. I said I dont believe every member of ALE is involved. I think there's a really good possibility that there has been quite a bit of corruption within ALE that has resulted in what we have today --- ZERO.

I have seen a big, fat smear campaign out of Aruba and I think that would tend to make those associated with the victim reluctant to feed the smear campaign. I do think the MB kids have information that could be helpful to the investigation and I think that needs to be brought out -- I think Interpol could facilitate that if there are concerns of corruption.

[MediumRareTBone]

Why would the suspect oppose information being shared with FBI? If he's innocent you'd think he'd want the best and the brightest looking at it and finding the real perpetrator. I dont think there was ever a concern that the FBI would hand over confidential information to Beth. The FBI is not exactly known for that kind of thing. There appear to be some leaks in need of repair within Aruba, however.

I believe you're mistaken about what the FBI does or doesnt have. I hope Interpol doesnt delay.

Why would the MBers oppose being interviewed by the official investigating body --- ALE?

When have the MB kids opposed being interviewed by ALE? I oppose it because I dont think they're trying to solve the case, but divert it and smear those associated with the victim.

Is it true that four people that the ALE wanted to interview refused to interview with them?

I'm not aware of ALE interviewing any of the MB kids. I dont believe four kids "refused" to be interviewed by anyone. That is easily overcome with a subpoena.

Congressman bachus got calls from the parents of the NB children who went to Aruba and they did not want their children talking to those people from Aruba. And he was also going to look into why, months after the request was made thru proper channels, the US Dept of State had not responded to Aruba's request to interveiw the MB children.

ALE has no subpoena rights in the US.

Ok, the meeting was simply a meeting of investigators. ALE told Bachus what they were doing and he apparently took them at their word. There was no investigation into the investigation. I'm talking about an independent investigation like Interpol is capable of doing. They would see all the evidence, look at the entire file and make a determination.

I didnt get from Bachus' statement that the State Dept had "refused" anything, and I dont know what was requested and if it was done through the proper channels but I'll go look again. What I understood was that he was encouraging cooperation, on both fronts and he was commenting that even thought the kids' parents didnt want ALE to interview them -- they needed to cooperate anyway because it could be helpful. As far as I know, ALE still has not interviewed the MB kids.

There is no indication Interpol will investigate the investigation either.

Bachus said he was impressed with the dossier and he had 12 questions, all of which were answered.

I never said the State Dept refused anything, I said they took a long long time to respond.

I believe they did based on a report I recall reading about them being done in Mountain Brook. However, I don't have a link

[JD]

Fiery, I really dont know what the ALE has done in the way of interviewing MB. If what you say is true, then I guess the answers are not in Mountain Brook.

[pax]

I didnt say I dont think ALE is involved in an organized conspiracy. I said I dont believe every member of ALE is involved. I think there's a really good possibility that there has been quite a bit of corruption within ALE that has resulted in what we have today --- ZERO.

I have seen a big, fat smear campaign out of Aruba and I think that would tend to make those associated with the victim reluctant to feed the smear campaign. I do think the MB kids have information that could be helpful to the investigation and I think that needs to be brought out -- I think Interpol could facilitate that if there are concerns of corruption.

What do you think are some of the reasons for what you call a "big, fat smear campaign out of Aruba." I don't think there is one, by the way. Certainly nothing like the big fat smear campaign out of tabloid television, against Aruba.

My feeling is that the Mountain Brook folks came on like gangbusters, accusing Aruban officials and law enforcement of being inept and corrupt. For every action there's a reaction. I'd say the ill will began mainly from from the Twitty family and friends. I'd also say that if one publicly made similar accusations about a team of local American law enforcement, one might expect similar ill will from that local American law enforcement.

Don't piss off cops if you still want them to help you. Don't insult people from other countries if you still want them to help you. And don't complain about them not helping as much after you have insulted them publicly.

For me it boils down to the initial condescending attitude from Beth and her friends.

[JD]

I didnt say I dont think ALE is involved in an organized conspiracy. I said I dont believe every member of ALE is involved. I think there's a really good possibility that there has been quite a bit of corruption within ALE that has resulted in what we have today --- ZERO.

I have seen a big, fat smear campaign out of Aruba and I think that would tend to make those associated with the victim reluctant to feed the smear campaign. I do think the MB kids have information that could be helpful to the investigation and I think that needs to be brought out -- I think Interpol could facilitate that if there are concerns of corruption.

What do you think are some of the reasons for what you call a "big, fat smear campaign out of Aruba." I don't think there is one, by the way. Certainly nothing like the big fat smear campaign out of tabloid television, against Aruba.

My feeling is that the Mountain Brook folks came on like gangbusters, accusing Aruban officials and law enforcement of being inept and corrupt. For every action there's a reaction. I'd say the ill will began mainly from from the Twitty family and friends. I'd also say that if one publicly made similar accusations about a team of local American law enforcement, one might expect similar ill will from that local American law enforcement.

Don't piss off cops if you still want them to help you. Don't insult people from other countries if you still want them to help you. And don't complain about them not helping as much after you have insulted them publicly.

For me it boils down to the initial condescending attitude from Beth and her friends.

Ok, I'm going to be as genuine as I can here and try to avoid being flat out positional.

The big fat smear campaign can be attributed largely to Dompig as far as public statements. I think he was absolutely wrong to make the statements that he did about Natalee ODing and being in possession of drugs. He has no evidence of that, and if he did and it's confidential then he shouldnt be making statements about it. It appears that Boeti was his "source" for those statements, and there's nothing right about that. I'm not alone on this opinion.

I think he was wrong to lay the blame on Beth in the way that he did -- essentially saying LE was just buckling to the family's pressure to make arrests at a particular time. That's BS -- if the LE is competent to handle the investigation, then they should handle it and not blame the vengeful Mom when results are elusive. Since when does a competent LE allow a victim's family, no matter how obnoxious, to call the shots? Never.

I believe Julia has actively engaged in a smear campaign out of concern for tourism. I could be wrong on this one -- maybe she just feels really compelled to let the world know what a bitch Beth is. Either way, I dont think she is helping Aruba

There is so much finger pointing away from Aruba and such an effort to gloss over the devastating effect it's having on the island.

Joran clearly has been very deliberate in smearing Natalee and Beth and I find that truly disgusting.

On top of that, we're seeing statements released now that to me are really disturbing for a number of reasons. Number one, the sheer volume of lies is staggering, and that includes Paul. It goes way beyond the initial HI lie. Their are huge discrepancies still, and many people have a hard time understanding how that can still be the case when the LE has all but closed up the case. There is evidence, there are clues, there is direction in those statements. It paints a picture and it points in a particular direction.

Then you've got the glaring absence of meaningful follow up questions. How can these possibly be the extent of the witnesses' statements? Compare the FBI 302s that we've seen with the PVs that have been released. It's just mind boggling -- there were so many opportunities to get answers that appear to have been disregarded entirely.

On top of that you've got Paul, one of 10 suspects, being awarded the maximum for wrongful detainment -- when it looks like there was everything right about detaining and questioning him.

The icing on the cake is the message boards --- that's where you see the fruits of all that I just mentioned. Just look around at what is said of Beth and Natalee and the MB kids. There is a smear campaign and it has a lot of momentum. Now, I'm not saying its intent is malicious or even intentional. I think many now believe that it's all Beth's fault and the MB kids facilitated Nat's kidnap or runaway.


Consider those things on the whole and it makes sense that the MB kids or their parents would be reluctant to cooperate with ALE -- especially if part of their tale includes escapades of drugs, sex and/or alcohol.

Now let me catch my breath and I'll give you the other side of the coin....

[pax]

^ Thanks for your reply, JD. I know we disagree on some of this, but I don't think your position is unreasonable. There's plenty of evidence for both sides of this coin. It's genuinely tragic as I'm afraid this case will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

[DiamondDot]

Eric Williams was contacted to meet the Fab7 in regards to Natalee's disposition. He was an agent of the US Gov't. Therefore, wouldn't agents of the Aruba Gov't have been apprised of the situation?

Any agent of the US Gov't would not be 'on vacation' in a foreign country, without the foreign country being apprised of thier presence. Otherwise, it could be considered a covert, spy situation.

Was Eric Williams in Aruba with the knowledge of the foreign Gov't? I'd like to know.

Maybe the Interpol/Dutch investigation is about some inconsistencies we are not aware of.

[JD]

^ Thanks for your reply, JD. I know we disagree on some of this, but I don't think your position is unreasonable. There's plenty of evidence for both sides of this coin. It's genuinely tragic as I'm afraid this case will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

You're welcome, and thanks for a gracious reply. I'll give you the condensed version of the flip side of the coin.

The H/T showed up in an outrage, making demands. Nevertheless, I think the family was largely excused for their behavior initially because of the shock of the circumstances. If it had ended there, we wouldnt still be talking about how awful they are. But it didnt end there.

Beth and Dave dont communicate or share information -- this is troubling and frustrating. They almost seem intent on undermining each other and that's pretty inexcusable under the circumstances. It leads one to wonder at their real level of commitment in finding the truth.

Add to that, Beth exaggerates and plainly misstates things. I think she really belives what she says though. I also believe she has been misinformed or made inferences improperly. She deflects questions as irrelevant when we want answers. That is off putting. I think she may have leaked information early on & it could have compromised surveillance. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that that isnt just the ALE party line -- another excuse for an investigation gone wrong. (I'm biased, so give me a little lattitude).

You've got FEB making her "leave it at that" statement, which to me really says nothing. But it's a big enough deal to enough people that it could have and should have been clarified by now.

We've got stories of Marcia and her attempts to put a lid on the flow of information. Easy enough to draw the conclusion that there's something to hide. And when you're talking about a missing person, with no hard explanation, people conclude the kids are involved or there's something HUGE they're protecting.

You've got Beth painting Nat as the perfect child early on. I understand why she did it I think, but it has tainted her as a sympathetic victim in some peoples eyes. That colors everything that comes out of her mouth --and a lot comes out of her mouth so there is constant fuel to that fire.

After a year and no real answers, there's a natural inclination for people to want to investigate other avenues -- concluding that there's nothing on J2K, and obviously something happened so the MB kids must have the answers. Layer that with their reluctance to cooperate and it adds validity to the conspiracy theory. etc

lol You get my point. Just trying to be fair and look at both sides.

[resigned]

I don't see a smear campaign on the part of Aruba. I think they have been guarded with what they have released. I understand that their system is different than our system. I think that the search of the island in the days immediately following Natalee's disappearance was above and beyond what any LE agency would do right here at home.
I'm not convinced that they haven't held some pieces of evidence back. It may not be evidence of a crime, but it may be evidence that we haven't heard that might not indicate what some think is the obvious. I really don't know one way or another.

The current tone in the Media and blogs is because I think that people started to see through many of the statements that the family have made over the past year and the facts do not support the claims. You may be appalled what transpired in the back of the car, but really if that did happen...they are no different than many horny teenagers in ANYTOWN, USA . To post it and attempt to make it sound like that was evidence of a rape was a bad move for the Family..at least in my opinion. I don't know if Natalee was a victim of a crime or not, and I don't think that any LE agency could have operated much better under the scrutiny of the world watching and waiting on their every move and word. I am not making excuses for them As in any PD, their are good cops, bad cops, better cops....but to think that each and everyone of them operated under a culture of corruption, I just can't buy into.

They began the investigation under an extreme handicap. The witnesses that were with Natalee that last night at CnC's had left the island. It appears that the FBI did not obtain initial statements for at least a month. I have no idea when ALE saw them. Any information conveyed from them, would have been through the Family. That hasn't worked out too well.

I don't know what the crime is, or if there is one, but I don't see all this corruption that is claimed, that has permeated not only the entire ALE ,but has even crossed into the Dutch Judiciary. The grassy knoll is a far better conspiracy theory than that.

[DiamondDot]

.......(snipped).......
After a year and no real answers, there's a natural inclination for people to want to investigate other avenues -- concluding that there's nothing on J2K, and obviously something happened so the MB kids must have the answers. Layer that with their reluctance to cooperate and it adds validity to the conspiracy theory. etc

lol You get my point. Just trying to be fair and look at both sides.

I understand your position, but don't agree.

My stance has not changed. The MB 'kids' were legally adults who chose from thier very first interviews to try and solicit public sympathy with lies. How many times did we hear that the MB 'kids' should not be interviewed by ALE? Yet, she had no problem with thier cooperation with interviewers on TV.

Are the 'kids' of MB so much more valuable than the 'kids' of Aruba?

ETA..... Julia was a close personal ally of Beth/Jug and posse. Anything she may have to say is from a personal 'hands on' perspective. She has as much a right to give her point of view as anyone else does.

[dugo]

And dear Bobblehead and the "Panel" insisted last night on Greta that the FBI needed to be involved for the case to move forward. Why is it that this so called, well respected, intelligent panel of attorneys can't even get the few facts straight?!! Just boggles my mind.

FBI was not exactly involved. The observed some interrogations and were disgusted. They had to fight for scraps of information, it was not freely given. ALE was not cooperating with the FBI or welcoming their assistance. For sure, the case aint moving forward in the hands of ALE, wouldnt you agree?


Friday, August 05, 2005

Curacao judge yet to rule on FBI access to Holloway case files

A judge from Curacao has not yet ruled on the FBI’s increased involvement in the case of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway. Defense lawyers protested Aruban authorities’ decision to hand over transcripts of interrogations and other documents to the FBI. Transfer of the evidence occurred after Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked the country’s attorney general to give the FBI more access to the case files.

The judge was expected to rule today but had not done so by the close of business, said Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office. She said that meant the decision would likely come Monday at the earliest.

READ, will you!? The defense used the law to stiffle cooperation, or is ALEs unwillingness to break the law the same as unwillingness to cooperate in your book? The last thing you want is evidentiary material becomming useless for legal purposes because it wasn't aquired in a lawfull matter.

[JD]

.......(snipped).......
After a year and no real answers, there's a natural inclination for people to want to investigate other avenues -- concluding that there's nothing on J2K, and obviously something happened so the MB kids must have the answers. Layer that with their reluctance to cooperate and it adds validity to the conspiracy theory. etc

lol You get my point. Just trying to be fair and look at both sides.

I understand your position, but don't agree.

My stance has not changed. The MB 'kids' were legally adults who chose from thier very first interviews to try and solicit public sympathy with lies. How many times did we hear that the MB 'kids' should not be interviewed by ALE? Yet, she had no problem with thier cooperation with interviewers on TV.

Are the 'kids' of MB so much more valuable than the 'kids' of Aruba?

ETA..... Julia was a close personal ally of Beth/Jug and posse. Anything she may have to say is from a personal 'hands on' perspective. She has as much a right to give her point of view as anyone else does.

I understand she was their friend and ally and there's obviously bad blood between them now. I think both sides feel betrayed, and betrayal is a wound that cuts deep and makes people act nuts.

Yes, Julia has a right to give her POV but I think the way that she has gone about it at times is counter productive to the interests of Aruba. In the same vein, Beth has the right to state her POV about ALE and Julia and I also believe that the way she has gone about it at times has been counterproductive to the interests of finding the truth.