Ashley79 May 31, 2005

[MJTenn]

Edited to remove off-topic argument and bashing.

I have started a thread in HE, and am editing my posts here to you, out of respect for Jenna. Can you show that same respect?

[sandraK]

I found it strange that these very "Rich folks" with Jet, arrived at the site of a possiable "Kidnapping" without any CASH.
they had to borrow $3,ooo from Angela M 's family's Till. and were 45 minutes late getting there.

[DiamondDot]

go mj!

Uh-oh! Fluffy's on duty. It wasn't me this time Fluffy.

[reddog]

I found it strange that these very "Rich folks" with Jet, arrived at the site of a possiable "Kidnapping" without any CASH.
they had to borrow $3,ooo from Angela M 's family's Till. and were 45 minutes late getting there.

i don't know about the arriving with no cash borrowing of cash, but i'll accept it as a given for a point of discussion.

perhaps they "borrowed" it rather than use their own money? i think that might fit in with the way they seem to do things.

[FocusFactor]

Or Natalee (hopefully alive) left on that MedJet. Or, if she left on that MedJet not alive, they were doing that to prevent the Aruban authorities from finding out the real cause of death such as alcohol poisoning which would be categorized as a suicide since it is voluntary.

In the event Natalee was forced to leave Aruba on the MedJet, maybe some drugs were administered, which ultimately caused Natalee's demise?

The MedJet's flight plan was to Puerto Rico. Mid-air, the heading was changed to Mexico.

DD, I've read that before. Do we know this is fact?

What is in Mexico? If Nat was on board the outbound Medjet, why start for Puerto Rico? I just don't get it.

[reddog]

go mj!

Uh-oh! Fluffy's on duty. It wasn't me this time Fluffy.

-damn straight.

-fluffly knows who it was.

[chillin]

I found it strange that these very "Rich folks" with Jet, arrived at the site of a possiable "Kidnapping" without any CASH.
they had to borrow $3,ooo from Angela M 's family's Till. and were 45 minutes late getting there.

i don't know about the arriving with no cash borrowing of cash, but i'll accept it as a given for a point of discussion.

perhaps they "borrowed" it rather than use their own money? i think that might fit in with the way they seem to do things.

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

[Guest]

Not only are you a bitch, you appear to be a liar as well. Please point out where I "state quite clearly that I follow" ANYONE here. IF there is anything I cannot stand, it is someone who twists facts.

Do you want me to hold your hand and wipe your bum for you? You wrote it / said it / in plain English 'I am following my friend MJ to defend her".

You go find it yourself you pathetic simpleton.

Unless you'll quickly edit it like I know you will

[sandraK]

Or Natalee (hopefully alive) left on that MedJet. Or, if she left on that MedJet not alive, they were doing that to prevent the Aruban authorities from finding out the real cause of death such as alcohol poisoning which would be categorized as a suicide since it is voluntary.

In the event Natalee was forced to leave Aruba on the MedJet, maybe some drugs were administered, which ultimately caused Natalee's demise?

The MedJet's flight plan was to Puerto Rico. Mid-air, the heading was changed to Mexico.

DD, I've read that before. Do we know this is fact?

What is in Mexico? If Nat was on board the outbound Medjet, why start for Puerto Rico? I just don't get it.

That was NOT the Med JET.

[reddog]

I found it strange that these very "Rich folks" with Jet, arrived at the site of a possiable "Kidnapping" without any CASH.
they had to borrow $3,ooo from Angela M 's family's Till. and were 45 minutes late getting there.

i don't know about the arriving with no cash borrowing of cash, but i'll accept it as a given for a point of discussion.

perhaps they "borrowed" it rather than use their own money? i think that might fit in with the way they seem to do things.

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

maybe they just didn't wanna use their own money. seems to kinda fit their "pattern", dontcha think?

[Guest]

Not only are you a bitch, you appear to be a liar as well. Please point out where I "state quite clearly that I follow" ANYONE here. IF there is anything I cannot stand, it is someone who twists facts.

Do you want me to hold your hand and wipe your bum for you? You wrote it / said it / in plain English 'I am following my friend JM to defend her".

You go find it yourself you pathetic simpleton.

Unless you'll quickly edit it like I know you will

[DiamondDot]

DD, I've read that before. Do we know this is fact?

What is in Mexico? If Nat was on board the outbound Medjet, why start for Puerto Rico? I just don't get it.

The part about the flight plan was posted by someone I trust as knowledgable. About that, you must make your own decision.

The rest, Natalee leaving on the MedJet, was a scenario I considered.

[FocusFactor]

Or Natalee (hopefully alive) left on that MedJet. Or, if she left on that MedJet not alive, they were doing that to prevent the Aruban authorities from finding out the real cause of death such as alcohol poisoning which would be categorized as a suicide since it is voluntary.

In the event Natalee was forced to leave Aruba on the MedJet, maybe some drugs were administered, which ultimately caused Natalee's demise?

The MedJet's flight plan was to Puerto Rico. Mid-air, the heading was changed to Mexico.

DD, I've read that before. Do we know this is fact?

What is in Mexico? If Nat was on board the outbound Medjet, why start for Puerto Rico? I just don't get it.

That was NOT the Med JET.

Hmmm. So, I'm guessing it was McWane? The jet the posse came in on.

Still, why Puerto Rico? Why Mexico?

[DiamondDot]

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

In an early interview, Beth/Jug commented about the high cost of their stay. The immediate needs were basic toiletries and clothes. They had not expected the stay to be so lengthy. Why the could not use Natalee's toiletries, I don't know. It would make sense to need clean underwear and a toothbrush.

When Beth speaks of viewing the tapes, I always got the impression she was alone. Also, I had that impression of the time when Charles Croes was speaking to William for the better part of an hour. Why wasn't Jug talking to him? Maybe Jug hit the tables while Beth was 'investigating'?

Maybe they had money to gamble with, but not for Ransom?

[FocusFactor]

*if* they found OD'd Natalee or alcohol-poisoned Natalee, could they collect on an insurance policy?

"Scam" has been mentioned in the same sentence with these folks before.

But none of the super-secret spycrap makes sense either. She was an 18 yr old kid.

[DiamondDot]

That was NOT the Med JET.

New angle!

Thanks SK

[sandraK]

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

In an early interview, Beth/Jug commented about the high cost of their stay. The immediate needs were basic toiletries and clothes. They had not expected the stay to be so lengthy. Why the could not use Natalee's toiletries, I don't know. It would make sense to need clean underwear and a toothbrush.

When Beth speaks of viewing the tapes, I always got the impression she was alone. Also, I had that impression of the time when Charles Croes was speaking to William for the better part of an hour. Why wasn't Jug talking to him? Maybe Jug hit the tables while Beth was 'investigating'?

Maybe they had money to gamble with, but not for Ransom?

high cost??

HI comped the room and more WHAT cost?
and remember Beth had some very Rich friends with her, All willing to help.
all eating and drinking in the finest places FREE!!!
hell, Jug stapped what ever, on his Visa card, AND "Poof" the love Bowls were Born!!!

[reddog]

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

In an early interview, Beth/Jug commented about the high cost of their stay. The immediate needs were basic toiletries and clothes. They had not expected the stay to be so lengthy. Why the could not use Natalee's toiletries, I don't know. It would make sense to need clean underwear and a toothbrush.

When Beth speaks of viewing the tapes, I always got the impression she was alone. Also, I had that impression of the time when Charles Croes was speaking to William for the better part of an hour. Why wasn't Jug talking to him? Maybe Jug hit the tables while Beth was 'investigating'?

Maybe they had money to gamble with, but not for Ransom?

high cost??

HI comped the room and more WHAT cost?
and remember Beth had some very Rich friends with her, All willing to help.
all eating and drinking in the finest places FREE!!!

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

[sandraK]

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

In an early interview, Beth/Jug commented about the high cost of their stay. The immediate needs were basic toiletries and clothes. They had not expected the stay to be so lengthy. Why the could not use Natalee's toiletries, I don't know. It would make sense to need clean underwear and a toothbrush.

When Beth speaks of viewing the tapes, I always got the impression she was alone. Also, I had that impression of the time when Charles Croes was speaking to William for the better part of an hour. Why wasn't Jug talking to him? Maybe Jug hit the tables while Beth was 'investigating'?

Maybe they had money to gamble with, but not for Ransom?

high cost??

HI comped the room and more WHAT cost?
and remember Beth had some very Rich friends with her, All willing to help.
all eating and drinking in the finest places FREE!!!

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

IT was Comped..

[DiamondDot]

*if* they found OD'd Natalee or alcohol-poisoned Natalee, could they collect on an insurance policy?

"Scam" has been mentioned in the same sentence with these folks before.

But none of the super-secret spycrap makes sense either. She was an 18 yr old kid.

Overactive imagination here...... I was intrigued by the insistance that Natalee got into a taxi. This is one of the lies FEB kept insisting on. She even corrected others who forgot to mention this. For minimal cost, a rider can be added to an insurance policy for accidental death.

For instance.....

$1,000,000 accidental death.

BUT to collect that amount, it must be in a paid carrier. Ship, airplane, taxicab, bus......

Any other accidental death pays $25,000.

[FocusFactor]

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

Once I tried to break it down to see if 18K was an outrageous amount.

If there were 12 in the posse
If they each drank 5 drinks per day
If the drinks cost $10
and if they did that for a month...

It works.

[jenna]

*if* they found OD'd Natalee or alcohol-poisoned Natalee, could they collect on an insurance policy?

"Scam" has been mentioned in the same sentence with these folks before.

But none of the super-secret spycrap makes sense either. She was an 18 yr old kid.

Overactive imagination here...... I was intrigued by the insistance that Natalee got into a taxi. This is one of the lies FEB kept insisting on. She even corrected others who forgot to mention this. For minimal cost, a rider can be added to an insurance policy for accidental death.

For instance.....

$1,000,000 accidental death.

BUT to collect that amount, it must be in a paid carrier. Ship, airplane, taxicab, bus......

Any other accidental death pays $25,000.

A life insurance policy will not pay for drug or alcohol overdose if it is concluded that it was an accidental death caused by the deceased. In the case of drugs, it would pay for something cause by accidental overdose of a prescription medication but not something like an illegal drug voluntarily taken. It would not pay for an alcohol poisoning at all. I do believe that there MIGHT be a large policy on Natalee because as a State Farm agent life coverage on a dependent would be extremely cheap such as $150 per year for $1,000,000 because of the age mortality is low.

[seaweed]

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

Once I tried to break it down to see if 18K was an outrageous amount.

If there were 12 in the posse
If they each drank 5 drinks per day
If the drinks cost $10
and if they did that for a month...

It works.

so, depending on what exactly they drank, the actual liquor cost was probably around $1,800

[reddog]

Or maybe they came thinking they'd get Natalee immediately and wouldnt need much cash. Or maybe they needed it for gambling or something else while there.

In an early interview, Beth/Jug commented about the high cost of their stay. The immediate needs were basic toiletries and clothes. They had not expected the stay to be so lengthy. Why the could not use Natalee's toiletries, I don't know. It would make sense to need clean underwear and a toothbrush.

When Beth speaks of viewing the tapes, I always got the impression she was alone. Also, I had that impression of the time when Charles Croes was speaking to William for the better part of an hour. Why wasn't Jug talking to him? Maybe Jug hit the tables while Beth was 'investigating'?

Maybe they had money to gamble with, but not for Ransom?

high cost??

HI comped the room and more WHAT cost?
and remember Beth had some very Rich friends with her, All willing to help.
all eating and drinking in the finest places FREE!!!

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

IT was Comped..

right. which would mean there was no 18k bar bill.

[reddog]

if they were drinking for free, where did the 18k bar bill story come from?

Once I tried to break it down to see if 18K was an outrageous amount.

If there were 12 in the posse
If they each drank 5 drinks per day
If the drinks cost $10
and if they did that for a month...

It works.

my point being----


it it was "free", there is no "bill".