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Postby woebegone » Mon May 29, 2006 9:15 am

The first thing you are told to do is change your phone number, and make it unlisted...and, BTW, the phone company charges you extra to do so LOL

In cyber stalking the first thing you are told to do is LEAVE the place of the stalking. Doesnt mean not to conduct your "business" online, as that would be completely different. It the "play time" that leads to most cases of stalking, not business dealings.

Most LE will not take cyber stalking seriously until it crosses into real life (either via telephone calls, mail, physical contact etc). Then you MUST tell the "stalker" you wish no contact from them, and you must stop all correspondance with them. In otherwords, if you communicate with said stalker on a chat board etc, it is not considered stalking since you obviously wish to continue such a line of communications.
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Postby woebegone » Mon May 29, 2006 9:36 am

There are different ways to define cyberstalking.
One way to define it is to see how the Law defines it. We would like to begin, however, by defining "Cyberstalking" from the point of view of the target's (victim's) experience.

When identifying cyberstalking "in the field" , particularly when considering whether to report it to any kind of legal authority, the following features or combinations of features can be considered to characterize a true stalking situation:

Malice
Malice means: the desire and intention to terrorize and hurt you. Much cyberstalking is malicious in nature. Malice is usually indicated by the presence and communication of clear and direct threats made against you by the harasser.

Not all cyberstalking however is malicious. In cases of "love obsession" cyberstalking for example, the stalker has no visible intent to harm you, and while their behavior may cause you great distress, they do not necessarily realize that they are doing so, since they are often lost in a fantasy world where they believe you are secretly in love with them.
Other forms of online harassment are also not necessarily malicious. Some online harassment takes the forms of practical jokes at your expense, and while this may be unpleasant and cause you great inconvenience, annoyance, fear or distress, the harasser may not have intended to cause you harm.

Premeditation
Premeditation means: the presence of planning and organization.
Not all harassment is premeditated. Some may be the result of a sudden emotional outburst, where someone loses their temper with you and lashes out at you electronically. This may indeed cause you distress but could not be called premeditated, since the attack was sudden and not planned.

Some kinds of harassment can be set in motion instantly and without preparation. Others take time to prepare. Some require the setting up and use of special hostile computer attack programs. Others may require extensive research into your personal information on the Internet. The nature of the harassment you are experiencing will often tell you if you are dealing with a premeditated attack or an unplanned passionate outburst.

Repetition
Repetition means: the harassment is not just a single isolated incident.
Repetition is a key feature of online stalking. A one off attack online, while it may cause you distress, could not be described as cyberstalking. Cyberstalking is a course of conduct that takes place over a period of time and involves repeated attempts to cause you distress. Some laws even define it as involving two or more incidents and following a repetitive pattern.

Distress
Distress means: the activity causes fear and distress to you the target.
You could not claim cyberstalking or even online harassment if you do not feel distressed in some way. Distress can take many forms, from annoyance, offense, inconvenience and humiliation to worry and fear for your safety. The presence of fear is an important of characteristic cyberstalking.

You also need to be careful that you are yourself not overreacting. In legal terms, stalking is usually defined as a course of conduct that causes a "reasonable person" to be in distress. You may react in a paranoid or hysterical way to something that is said or done online, but you can not claim cyberstalking unless you can also show that your reaction is "reasonable", i.e., that any other reasonable person would react in the same way.

To show a court that you suffered distress as a result of online stalking you really need the testimony of expert witnesses - these could be your doctor or counselor who you went to for help or medication concerning the incident. If you don't go for medical help regarding your distress then expect the stalkers lawyer to suggest to the court that you were not really that distressed at all.

Obsession
Obsession means: the stalker cannot stop, despite warnings.
To establish this behavior you would need to have given a very clear warning to the harasser to leave you alone. Obsessive behavior is common both in hate vendettas against you and also in what is known as "love obsession" stalking, where the stalker believes themselves to be in love with their target. For love obsession stalkers your "NO" means "YES".

It is a common occurrence for stalkers to violate restraining orders and probation, or even lose their jobs, to continue stalking the object of their obsession.

Vendetta
Vendetta means: the stalker seeks revenge against you.
Hate vendettas are a common cause of harassment online. Stalkers and harassers often convince themselves that you have deserved their hostile attention and that they are in the right. They often persuade themselves that you have committed a great wrong and that they are in the position of avenger, punishing you for your crimes. Revenge may be sought for no reasonable offense at all.

No Legitimate Purpose
No legitimate purpose means: the harassment has no valid purpose, other than to terrorize you and cause you distress.
Some stalkers persuade themselves that they have just cause to harass you, usually on the grounds that you deserve to be punished for some wrong they claim you have committed. Other stalkers have no announced purpose other than to make you suffer. In either case the stalking serves no legitimate purpose.

If however you started the problem by attacking someone else online, and now they are after you for revenge, then your original and unprovoked attack could be used in court to show that the stalker had a legitimate purpose in harassing you.

Personally Directed
Personal means: the harassment is directed at YOU personally.
General attacks on groups, companies online or chat channels could not be called stalking. Stalking means you and you alone are the target.

Disregarded Warnings To Stop
Disregarded warnings to stop means: that you have given a clear and direct warning to the stalker to stop, and the stalker ignores your clear warning.

You cannot claim that you are being stalked online if you have never said "Leave me alone" to the stalker. One standard defense used by stalkers in court is to claim that you were encouraging their attentions, and that you never said "NO".

Harassment
Stalking on or offline involves "harassment". We can summarize "harassment" by quoting from two US State Statutes - one from California and one from Michigan:

California defines Harassment as: ...a knowing and willful course of conduct directed at a specific person that seriously alarms, annoys, torments, or terrorizes the person, and that serves no legitimate purpose. This course of conduct must be such as would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, and must actually cause substantial emotional distress to the person.

While Michigan defines Harassment as: ...conduct directed toward a victim that includes, but is not limited to, repeated or continuing unconsented contact, that would cause a reasonable individual to suffer emotional distress, and that actually causes the victim to suffer emotional distress.

Threats
A threat means: a statement of intent made in order to place a person in reasonable fear for his or her physical safety. Most of the online stalking cases we have dealt with involve threats made against the target.
Some laws refer to "credible threats" - meaning that the threat must be one that the target believes the stalker to be capable of carrying out.

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Now, to be fair, new laws have been passed that would make 99% of us guilty of a federal crime, if someone wished to pursue it.

From PC World magazine:

Writing annoying, anonymous online posts or e-mails could land you in jail for as long as two years. That's according to the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005, which was signed into law last week.


According to a section of the act, anyone who uses the Internet anonymously "with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another person" can be tried for violating federal telecommunications law and face fines or jail.
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Postby ViVi » Mon May 29, 2006 10:40 am

woebegone wrote:The first thing you are told to do is change your phone number, and make it unlisted...and, BTW, the phone company charges you extra to do so LOL

In cyber stalking the first thing you are told to do is LEAVE the place of the stalking. Doesnt mean not to conduct your "business" online, as that would be completely different. It the "play time" that leads to most cases of stalking, not business dealings.

Most LE will not take cyber stalking seriously until it crosses into real life (either via telephone calls, mail, physical contact etc). Then you MUST tell the "stalker" you wish no contact from them, and you must stop all correspondance with them. In otherwords, if you communicate with said stalker on a chat board etc, it is not considered stalking since you obviously wish to continue such a line of communications.


It is difficult to get cooperation with law enforcement, but persistence pays. I have found that most will eventually take it seriously once they discover that you are serious about the complaint. Without going into detail, when I was involved in something like this in the past, I was told not to get offline--but I was told to communicate that I expected the alarming, abusive, threatening behavior to stop and to change my email address, among other things. In that instance authorities, upon investigation, did not believe there was a danger of physical harm, despite threats--but measures were undertaken to protect against that nevertheless.

What was amazing to me is that once the initial complaint was made, even before they really took it seriously, authorities were able to identify the individuals involved by name and address within a matter of hours and placed all of their public online activities under continual surveillance.

Honey is right though, you can't give in to bullies/terrorists by simply disappearing when threatened. That gives them more power and encourages escalated threats in the future.
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Postby gagal_05 » Mon May 29, 2006 11:30 am

ViVi wrote:
woebegone wrote:The first thing you are told to do is change your phone number, and make it unlisted...and, BTW, the phone company charges you extra to do so LOL

In cyber stalking the first thing you are told to do is LEAVE the place of the stalking. Doesnt mean not to conduct your "business" online, as that would be completely different. It the "play time" that leads to most cases of stalking, not business dealings.

Most LE will not take cyber stalking seriously until it crosses into real life (either via telephone calls, mail, physical contact etc). Then you MUST tell the "stalker" you wish no contact from them, and you must stop all correspondance with them. In otherwords, if you communicate with said stalker on a chat board etc, it is not considered stalking since you obviously wish to continue such a line of communications.


It is difficult to get cooperation with law enforcement, but persistence pays. I have found that most will eventually take it seriously once they discover that you are serious about the complaint. Without going into detail, when I was involved in something like this in the past, I was told not to get offline--but I was told to communicate that I expected the alarming, abusive, threatening behavior to stop and to change my email address, among other things. In that instance authorities, upon investigation, did not believe there was a danger of physical harm, despite threats--but measures were undertaken to protect against that nevertheless.

What was amazing to me is that once the initial complaint was made, even before they really took it seriously, authorities were able to identify the individuals involved by name and address within a matter of hours and placed all of their public online activities under continual surveillance.

Honey is right though, you can't give in to bullies/terrorists by simply disappearing when threatened. That gives them more power and encourages escalated threats in the future.



You are soooo transparent! :roll:
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Postby ViVi » Mon May 29, 2006 11:38 am

gagal_05 wrote:
ViVi wrote:
woebegone wrote:The first thing you are told to do is change your phone number, and make it unlisted...and, BTW, the phone company charges you extra to do so LOL

In cyber stalking the first thing you are told to do is LEAVE the place of the stalking. Doesnt mean not to conduct your "business" online, as that would be completely different. It the "play time" that leads to most cases of stalking, not business dealings.

Most LE will not take cyber stalking seriously until it crosses into real life (either via telephone calls, mail, physical contact etc). Then you MUST tell the "stalker" you wish no contact from them, and you must stop all correspondance with them. In otherwords, if you communicate with said stalker on a chat board etc, it is not considered stalking since you obviously wish to continue such a line of communications.


It is difficult to get cooperation with law enforcement, but persistence pays. I have found that most will eventually take it seriously once they discover that you are serious about the complaint. Without going into detail, when I was involved in something like this in the past, I was told not to get offline--but I was told to communicate that I expected the alarming, abusive, threatening behavior to stop and to change my email address, among other things. In that instance authorities, upon investigation, did not believe there was a danger of physical harm, despite threats--but measures were undertaken to protect against that nevertheless.

What was amazing to me is that once the initial complaint was made, even before they really took it seriously, authorities were able to identify the individuals involved by name and address within a matter of hours and placed all of their public online activities under continual surveillance.

Honey is right though, you can't give in to bullies/terrorists by simply disappearing when threatened. That gives them more power and encourages escalated threats in the future.



You are soooo transparent! :roll:


That's interesting. Next.
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Postby lushus » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:21 pm

What's up with this thread? :D
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Postby ViVi » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:25 pm

lushus wrote:What's up with this thread? :D


Good question??
That's not my problem. :D
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Postby resigned » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:48 pm

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Postby Topsider » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:56 am

wonder what ever happened to edit
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Postby Lexy » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:50 pm

he made an exit?





miss you ph!:sadk:
God Bless Natalee and Stephany, may justice one day be served on the one who snuffed out their lives!

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Postby Carlos » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:47 pm

Lexy wrote:he made an exit?





miss you ph!:sadk:


thanks I miss you too :)
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Postby Lexy » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:05 am

My friends and I are glad to see ya back here.....don't let their faces fool ya! :lol:
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Postby yankee-in-france » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:12 am

I'm glad to see you back too. :)
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Postby Topsider » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:18 am

yankee-in-france wrote:I'm glad to see you back too. :)


I'm glad to see you back too
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Postby Topsider » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:20 am

I'm glad to see us all back to back
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Postby yankee-in-france » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:45 am

Hi, there, Topsy. How 'ya doin'?
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Postby Topsider » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:15 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:Hi, there, Topsy. How 'ya doin'?


Wow did not see this till just now. Doing great thanks for asking :D
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Postby Topsider » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:19 pm

Well excepting for my lumbago I'm doing great. I got it when I was doing calypso dancing the other night
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Postby tulsad » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:55 am

Carlos wrote:
lexy wrote: he made an exit?





miss you ph! :sadk:



thanks I miss you too :)


Do you often answer for PH, Carlos?
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