JoeT 04/05 about FEB

[Karamel]

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Thats exactly right!

Before, all that Beth could say, was that there was proof that Natalee wasnt dropped off at the Holiday Inn, BECAUSE it wasnt on camera!

Now that there is video of Natalee BACK at the Holiday Inn after leaving Joran, all of a sudden, duh, the cameras didnt work ANYWHERE in the building?

[WangChung]

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Thats exactly right!

Before, all that Beth could say, was that there was proof that Natalee wasnt dropped off at the Holiday Inn, BECAUSE it wasnt on camera!

Now that there is video of Natalee BACK at the Holiday Inn after leaving Joran, all of a sudden, duh, the cameras didnt work ANYWHERE in the building?

The cameras, all 450 of them, were sure working at the Wyndham when Beth lied about being stalked in the parking lot.

[Maybelline]

Okay, two issues. First, why would FEB need to make that snotty little remark, "let's just leave it at that" if she was talking about CnCs? They had been freely talking about Natalee at CnCs, so obviously FEB was talking about somewhere else that she probably had been ordered NOT to discuss.

Second, the security camera at the HI that was not working was outside on a pole. It was pointed out on one of the shows (probably when Greta was in Aruba). There were OTHER security cameras inside the HI that were working.

[mitzid66]

I don't have to find it, I saw it the first time it was on television. That is why I know what was said. By the way it was reported that the video cameras at the Holiday Inn were not working. No video of Natalee returning that night.

Wildcat, why do you play such games? On more than one thread you have been playing games. You either know the facts and or you don't. Stop wasting the time of other posters while they find info that you ask to see, and then say you already knew, already read, already talked to the family, etc.....

It's getting really boring.

Please go back and tell HMI that your job here is done. Incomplete, but done all the same.

[GeorgiaMom]

I don't have to find it, I saw it the first time it was on television. That is why I know what was said. By the way it was reported that the video cameras at the Holiday Inn were not working. No video of Natalee returning that night.

Wildcat, why do you play such games? On more than one thread you have been playing games. You either know the facts and or you don't. Stop wasting the time of other posters while they find info that you ask to see, and then say you already knew, already read, already talked to the family, etc.....

It's getting really boring.

Please go back and tell HMI that your job here is done. Incomplete, but done all the same.

It's clear that the interviewer is talking about the hotel. He even emphasizes hotel when he asked "Did you see her at the hotel or not"? Feb replies with we saw her there.

Wildcat, it's pretty clear that Feb wasn't talking about Carlos & Charlies. He didn't ask her about C&C or anywhere else. He ask her about the hotel.

[WordsofWisdom]

So, then, why aren't FEB's statements part of JoeT's response to the court? Clearly, that exonerates his clients of any wrong doing!

Oh wait.... that is why Batty dropped the murder/kidnapping accusations, and claimed rape. But in order to prove that, (without the victim) she states that Joran himself said it in his police statement and at his home. (Batty's version of CYA) But that is not what he said. That is simply Batty's version of what he said. Unfortunately for Batty, her version is not what can be used as evidence of a crime (rape). So she desparately sought witness' to Joran's history of that behavior- enter Jane Doe(s)- in an attempt to 'save herself' from accusations of slander/libel. That has now been unraveled thanks to JoeT finding the real Jane Doe!

I remember when Batty said that about the cameras- she also stated that there was 'absolutely' no other way for Natalee to enter/exit the H.I. other than through the lobby- lo and behold, Greta does an interview from what was supposedly Natalee's room and there in clear view is the sliding glass doors! Batty can not even remember her own lies.

(Note: when she made that statement, not a single MB student, that knew better, came forward.)

It is typical of Batty.
In the same interview that Batty gave, where she admitted that ALE could not release information on the case without seriously jeopaordizing it, which she agreed was certainly understandable, But then Batty (in the same interview!) went on to make comments that she did not understand why ALE would not release information to her! This woman is utterly sick!

Either she is the stupidest person known to mankind, or she thinks everyone else is.

Poor Natalee, she had to live with that logic her whole life!
Matt may have escaped it for awhile thanks to his sister.

[WangChung]

So, then, why aren't FEB's statements part of JoeT's response to the court? Clearly, that exonerates his clients of any wrong doing!

Oh wait.... that is why Batty dropped the murder/kidnapping accusations, and claimed rape. But in order to prove that, (without the victim) she states that Joran himself said it in his police statement and at his home. (Batty's version of CYA) But that is not what he said. That is simply Batty's version of what he said. Unfortunately for Batty, her version is not what can be used as evidence of a crime (rape). So she desparately sought witness' to Joran's history of that behavior- enter Jane Doe(s)- in an attempt to 'save herself' from accusations of slander/libel. That has now been unraveled thanks to JoeT finding the real Jane Doe!

I remember when Batty said that about the cameras- she also stated that there was 'absolutely' no other way for Natalee to enter/exit the H.I. other than through the lobby- lo and behold, Greta does an interview from what was supposedly Natalee's room and there in clear view is the sliding glass doors! Batty can not even remember her own lies.

(Note: when she made that statement, not a single MB student, that knew better, came forward.)

It is typical of Batty.
In the same interview that Batty gave, where she admitted that ALE could not release information on the case without seriously jeopaordizing it, which she agreed was certainly understandable, But then Batty (in the same interview!) went on to make comments that she did not understand why ALE would not release information to her! This woman is utterly sick!

Either she is the stupidest person known to mankind, or she thinks everyone else is.

Poor Natalee, she had to live with that logic her whole life!
Matt may have escaped it for awhile thanks to his sister.

Watching Beth Twitty's tower of lies beginning to topple is more wholesome and enjoyable than any other spectator sport.

[WordsofWisdom]

Watching Beth Twitty's tower of lies beginning to topple is more wholesome and enjoyable than any other spectator sport.

Oh! Ain't that the truth!

But you have to wonder how she has gotten through life......
She is the person that after having a conversation, where folks are all smiley and nodding to her every word, and as soon as she has left the conversation, everyone rolls their eyes!
(Note to Batty: Quick! Turn around and look!)

[WordsofWisdom]

And don't you wonder why there are no DETAILS?

In JQK's filing- no name for Jane Doe.
In JQK's filing, and Batty's continued WHINING (Gawd I can not stand her voice.) No one has named ALL of "The 8 Witness'" that supposedly heard Joran say he "sexually abused" Natalee. Not only that, but IIRC, Joran's conversation was not even in English.

I want the names of "The 8 Witness'".
Doesn't JoeT?

I think their identity and the story behind their trip(s) to Aruba will reveal a lot. Especially who they are/have been doing business with.

[sandraK]

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Thats exactly right!

Before, all that Beth could say, was that there was proof that Natalee wasnt dropped off at the Holiday Inn, BECAUSE it wasnt on camera!

Now that there is video of Natalee BACK at the Holiday Inn after leaving Joran, all of a sudden, duh, the cameras didnt work ANYWHERE in the building?

The cameras, all 450 of them, were sure working at the Wyndham when Beth lied about being stalked in the parking lot.

OO I Loved THAT Whopper!!

[lushus]

Geez Sandra, now I'm hungry!

[WordsofWisdom]

Lushus,
Re: your sig line:

YooooHoooo BETH .. your son's name is MATT, in case you've forgotten

Most teenagers go thru the "I hate my parents" stage anyway...
This just exasperates it.

[lushus]

Lushus,
Re: your sig line:

YooooHoooo BETH .. your son's name is MATT, in case you've forgotten

I strongly suspect Matt is much better off, don't you?
Most teenagers go thru the "I hate my parents" stage anyway...

as for Duh Dave... he said his family consists of his 2 daughters.

So apparently Matt is on his own.

Yes, I agree, Matt is better off without that LOSER for a MOTHER ..

My sig is just a reminder to Beth ..
Beth and her LoserFriends read here!

Hi Beth
Enjoying your Sunday?
BTW, how IS Matt doing?
When did you last see him?
You can always post your response here ..
Matt probably reads here too ..
Hmm,
Maybe that's how he keeps track of her schedule ..
Atleast he can catch on Greta each night ..

[atypical]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

[WordsofWisdom]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

[atypical]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

Right. It might not be what you would say...But it's not an admission that FEB saw NH at the HI...because it's not clear. Which THERE is she referring to? At C&C's leaving? Or back at the HI? A poorly worded set of questions followed by an oblique answer and then no follow up questions to clarify.

[prolific]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

Right. It might not be what you would say...But it's not an admission that FEB saw NH at the HI...because it's not clear. Which THERE is she referring to? At C&C's leaving? Or back at the HI? A poorly worded set of questions followed by an oblique answer and then no follow up questions to clarify.

Oh come on, there's no way not to know what she was referring to. She was specifically asked about the hotel, not C&C. Her response was to that question and that question only. There was nothing poorly worded,
"did you see her back at the hotel", what's poorly worded about that?

]Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

There is no way in the world that she was referring to C&C. If that were the case she would have responded, "no but I saw her at C&C".

[pax]

So, then, why aren't FEB's statements part of JoeT's response to the court? Clearly, that exonerates his clients of any wrong doing!

Oh wait.... that is why Batty dropped the murder/kidnapping accusations, and claimed rape. But in order to prove that, (without the victim) she states that Joran himself said it in his police statement and at his home. (Batty's version of CYA) But that is not what he said. That is simply Batty's version of what he said. Unfortunately for Batty, her version is not what can be used as evidence of a crime (rape). So she desparately sought witness' to Joran's history of that behavior- enter Jane Doe(s)- in an attempt to 'save herself' from accusations of slander/libel. That has now been unraveled thanks to JoeT finding the real Jane Doe!

I remember when Batty said that about the cameras- she also stated that there was 'absolutely' no other way for Natalee to enter/exit the H.I. other than through the lobby- lo and behold, Greta does an interview from what was supposedly Natalee's room and there in clear view is the sliding glass doors! Batty can not even remember her own lies.

(Note: when she made that statement, not a single MB student, that knew better, came forward.)

It is typical of Batty.
In the same interview that Batty gave, where she admitted that ALE could not release information on the case without seriously jeopaordizing it, which she agreed was certainly understandable, But then Batty (in the same interview!) went on to make comments that she did not understand why ALE would not release information to her! This woman is utterly sick!

Either she is the stupidest person known to mankind, or she thinks everyone else is.

Poor Natalee, she had to live with that logic her whole life!
Matt may have escaped it for awhile thanks to his sister.

Watching Beth Twitty's tower of lies beginning to topple is more wholesome and enjoyable than any other spectator sport.

It is. It will continue long after the NBA and NHL Playoffs are over. Perhaps an indictment for fraud and misuse of funds could be announced during haltime of the 2007 Super Bowl. Then John Madden could award her Turkey of the Year.

[atypical]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

Right. It might not be what you would say...But it's not an admission that FEB saw NH at the HI...because it's not clear. Which THERE is she referring to? At C&C's leaving? Or back at the HI? A poorly worded set of questions followed by an oblique answer and then no follow up questions to clarify.

Oh come on, there's no way not to know what she was referring to. She was specifically asked about the hotel, not C&C. Her response was to that question and that question only. There was nothing poorly worded,
"did you see her back at the hotel", what's poorly worded about that?

]Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

There is no way in the world that she was referring to C&C. If that were the case she would have responded, "no but I saw her at C&C".

I'm sorry. I don't see this question in the interview:
"did you see her back at the hotel", (and you asked...what's poorly worded about that?)

If that were the question then I would agree with you. Where in the interview is that question?

The question I see is:
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?

Did you see her go back...is the action of going to...
It is not the same as...see her at...which would place her there.

So, to me, "there" could be any place from C&C's all the way to the HI and any point in between.

All I'm saying is that it is not a clear statement and it could be argued that FEB never said she saw NH at the HI. There's plenty of wiggle room in her answer and the interviewer didn't follow up on it.

[reddog]

I don't have to find it, I saw it the first time it was on television. That is why I know what was said. By the way it was reported that the video cameras at the Holiday Inn were not working. No video of Natalee returning that night.

So your recollection of what you saw on television differs from the official printed transcripts posted above? Strange.

poster said he/she SAW it on television. perhaps poster had the sound turned off and has poor lip reading skills.

[reddog]

I don't have to find it, I saw it the first time it was on television. That is why I know what was said. By the way it was reported that the video cameras at the Holiday Inn were not working. No video of Natalee returning that night.

Actuallyy that's not true, Beth and Dave both claimed to have viewed the tape and Beth said it wasn't Natalee and Dave said he wasn't sure. So there definitely was a tape.

That was that there was a tape at 3 something in the morning with Natalee at the front desk. I am talking about the boys supposedly dropping her off at the front of the Holiday Inn. It was stated that the cameras were not working.

I'm not sure what this talk is about Holiday Inn cameras not working the night of May 29/30. The Twittys got Hotel staff to hand over security video tape so they could verify whether Joran had dropped Natalee off at the Hotel. They determined that had not happened.

We also hear that there is tape of Frances Ellen Byrd at the front desk, allegedly with Natalee, at 03:15 May 30.

So what's the deal with the cameras the Holiday Inn not working that night all of a sudden?

i believe thats the newest twitty spin. first it was "thats not natalee on the tape", now its "the cameras weren't working; there is no tape".

[reddog]

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Thats exactly right!

Before, all that Beth could say, was that there was proof that Natalee wasnt dropped off at the Holiday Inn, BECAUSE it wasnt on camera!

Now that there is video of Natalee BACK at the Holiday Inn after leaving Joran, all of a sudden, duh, the cameras didnt work ANYWHERE in the building?

The cameras, all 450 of them, were sure working at the Wyndham when Beth lied about being stalked in the parking lot.

which turned into "it was a different hotel", right?

[WangChung]

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Thats exactly right!

Before, all that Beth could say, was that there was proof that Natalee wasnt dropped off at the Holiday Inn, BECAUSE it wasnt on camera!

Now that there is video of Natalee BACK at the Holiday Inn after leaving Joran, all of a sudden, duh, the cameras didnt work ANYWHERE in the building?

The cameras, all 450 of them, were sure working at the Wyndham when Beth lied about being stalked in the parking lot.

which turned into "it was a different hotel", right?

As if by magic the, the Wyndham turned in to the Mumblenameofhotel Hotel.

[mitzid66]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

[WangChung]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.