JoeT 04/05 about FEB

[reddog]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

[WangChung]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

[RatPatrol]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

And although she's not tellin', she's smellin'

.

[reddog]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

And although she's not tellin', she's smellin'

.

(like a felon)

[Proofreader]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

And although she's not tellin', she's smellin'

.

(like a felon)

I see Larry, Curly and Moe are at it again. Am I going crazy or didn't anyone else catch this in Joe's original quote:


Quote:
Joe:
Frances Ellen Byrd, who was interviewed early on, one of the roommates, way back in June of last year, said and it seemed insignificant at the time, that she saw Natalee back in the room..it seemed they need to take a real fresh look at this investigation.

That she saw Natalee back IN THE ROOM??!!! In the room isn't C&C OR the lobby front desk!

[Fiery]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

And although she's not tellin', she's smellin'

.

(like a felon)

I see Larry, Curly and Moe are at it again. Am I going crazy or didn't anyone else catch this in Joe's original quote:


Quote:
Joe:
Frances Ellen Byrd, who was interviewed early on, one of the roommates, way back in June of last year, said and it seemed insignificant at the time, that she saw Natalee back in the room..it seemed they need to take a real fresh look at this investigation.

That she saw Natalee back IN THE ROOM??!!! In the room isn't C&C OR the lobby front desk!

ROFLMAO.....ultimately everyone will be so confused that noone will know their own names!

[Proofreader]

You're right fiery, but hey, if we ever have a Refugees reunion some day it sure will be a riot trying to figure out who each other is!

[Hannie]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

Frances Ellen Gump - That has a nice ring to it.

there once was a girl named frances ellen,

who knew much more than she was tellin'........

(take it wang...)

with cavernous nose held aloof,

she made a mockery of the truth.......

And although she's not tellin', she's smellin'

.

(like a felon)

She was covering for the Bat
and said; "I`ll just leave it at that.....

[JackC]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

Right. It might not be what you would say...But it's not an admission that FEB saw NH at the HI...because it's not clear. Which THERE is she referring to? At C&C's leaving? Or back at the HI? A poorly worded set of questions followed by an oblique answer and then no follow up questions to clarify.

Oh come on, there's no way not to know what she was referring to. She was specifically asked about the hotel, not C&C. Her response was to that question and that question only. There was nothing poorly worded,
"did you see her back at the hotel", what's poorly worded about that?

]Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

There is no way in the world that she was referring to C&C. If that were the case she would have responded, "no but I saw her at C&C".

I'm sorry. I don't see this question in the interview:
"did you see her back at the hotel", (and you asked...what's poorly worded about that?)

If that were the question then I would agree with you. Where in the interview is that question?

The question I see is:
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?

Did you see her go back...is the action of going to...
It is not the same as...see her at...which would place her there.

So, to me, "there" could be any place from C&C's all the way to the HI and any point in between.

All I'm saying is that it is not a clear statement and it could be argued that FEB never said she saw NH at the HI. There's plenty of wiggle room in her answer and the interviewer didn't follow up on it.

Those are all excellent points. Atypical, I have argued the same thing, but I have to agree with prolific and WoW. 'There' cannot refer to a moving action "see her go back". And it is farfetched to make it refer to any place en route to the hotel.

FEB's line makes much more sense if we take it she adressed the word hotel.

Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
FEB: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

CnC's is not being discussed, so there is only one 'there' remaining, and that is the 'hotel', which is named twice. We must realise that at that point (4th of june) little was known about the nights events. Joran and the Kalpoes had said they dropped Natalee off at the HI. The two security guards were enprisoned. So for all FEB knew, Natalee did return to the hotel.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

I agree. But then look at what she says: We saw her there, [at the hotel]. So then, the lie is they saw her back at the hotel.

Could it be Frances Ellen is feeling ashamed she didn't look out for Natalee? After all, they were the 'best of friends' according to that interview. She had just said she was with her that night. So the obvious question would be: why didn't she look out for her friend? It might be Frances Ellen thought of the bad impression she might make in front of millions of televion viewers if she admitted she didn't see Natalee go back to the hotel (which she admits in the interview with GvS at the 21th of june, when she states that if she had seen Natalee get into the car with a stranger she would have prevented it from happening).

Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran.

[Fiery]

Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

I've always found her statement very ambiguous. What did the interviewer mean by did you all see her go back to the hotel?
It could mean did you see her leave C&C's for the hotel. The thing is...he didn't ask if she saw her AT the hotel...he asked if they saw her GO back to the hotel. Two different things to me.
So...it's an ambiguous question with an equally ambiguous answer.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

Right. It might not be what you would say...But it's not an admission that FEB saw NH at the HI...because it's not clear. Which THERE is she referring to? At C&C's leaving? Or back at the HI? A poorly worded set of questions followed by an oblique answer and then no follow up questions to clarify.

Oh come on, there's no way not to know what she was referring to. She was specifically asked about the hotel, not C&C. Her response was to that question and that question only. There was nothing poorly worded,
"did you see her back at the hotel", what's poorly worded about that?

]Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

There is no way in the world that she was referring to C&C. If that were the case she would have responded, "no but I saw her at C&C".

I'm sorry. I don't see this question in the interview:
"did you see her back at the hotel", (and you asked...what's poorly worded about that?)

If that were the question then I would agree with you. Where in the interview is that question?

The question I see is:
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?

Did you see her go back...is the action of going to...
It is not the same as...see her at...which would place her there.

So, to me, "there" could be any place from C&C's all the way to the HI and any point in between.

All I'm saying is that it is not a clear statement and it could be argued that FEB never said she saw NH at the HI. There's plenty of wiggle room in her answer and the interviewer didn't follow up on it.

Those are all excellent points. Atypical, I have argued the same thing, but I have to agree with prolific and WoW. 'There' cannot refer to a moving action "see her go back". And it is farfetched to make it refer to any place en route to the hotel.

FEB's line makes much more sense if we take it she adressed the word hotel.

Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
FEB: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

CnC's is not being discussed, so there is only one 'there' remaining, and that is the 'hotel', which is named twice. We must realise that at that point (4th of june) little was known about the nights events. Joran and the Kalpoes had said they dropped Natalee off at the HI. The two security guards were enprisoned. So for all FEB knew, Natalee did return to the hotel.

Except that FEB said....WE SAW HER THERE.
That is not what one would say if referring to someone GOING.

And yes, she was being coy (trying to lie without lying.)

I agree. But then look at what she says: We saw her there, [at the hotel]. So then, the lie is they saw her back at the hotel.

Could it be Frances Ellen is feeling ashamed she didn't look out for Natalee? After all, they were the 'best of friends' according to that interview. She had just said she was with her that night. So the obvious question would be: why didn't she look out for her friend? It might be Frances Ellen thought of the bad impression she might make in front of millions of televion viewers if she admitted she didn't see Natalee go back to the hotel (which she admits in the interview with GvS at the 21th of june, when she states that if she had seen Natalee get into the car with a stranger she would have prevented it from happening).

Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran.

If you've followed Joe Tacopina....he never hangs his hat on "nothing"....

[atypical]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

[prolific]

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Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. [b]It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran. [/b][/b]


If all this is true and when put together it most certainly amounts to much more than nothing. I wonder why many people are trying so hard to dismiss it.

[prolific]

delete double post

[WangChung]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

[reddog]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

doesn't he also have to paint "satan's spawn" on each side of the boat?

[jenna]

Quote atypical
Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran.

If all this is true and when put together it most certainly amounts to much more than nothing. I wonder why many people are trying so hard to dismiss it.

I have heard reasonable opinions that assume that these bits of evidence amount to nothing because Joran was not cleared as a suspect. I would say that if there was absolute proof that Joran would not be a suspect at all. Other suspects had some weak alibis such as testimony from a relative.

On the other hand, what does Joe T have in Joran's defense that encourages him to mount such a vigorous campaign? Joe T is spending a lot of his own money on this case. A reasonable estimate of what he has spent so far would be over $100,000--travel, private investigators, legal work, television appearances. There must be something in Joran's favor that we haven't seen yet.

[atypical]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

doesn't he also have to paint "satan's spawn" on each side of the boat?

I'm not a "he" but my boat's a Tantrum (Malibu) and has screaming meme decals on it. Not quite Satan's Spawn but close enough?

[WangChung]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

doesn't he also have to paint "satan's spawn" on each side of the boat?

That generally goes on the transom. The flame decals go on either side of the craft.

[atypical]

[b]Quote atypical
Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. [b]It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran. [/b][/b]


If all this is true and when put together it most certainly amounts to much more than nothing. I wonder why many people are trying so hard to dismiss it.

Just to clarify....I didn't say any of the above.

[reddog]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

doesn't he also have to paint "satan's spawn" on each side of the boat?

I'm not a "he" but my boat's a Tantrum (Malibu) and has screaming meme decals on it. Not quite Satan's Spawn but close enough?

apologies. i tire of typing he/she. i think the screaming memes are close enough.

[reddog]

O/T and just not relevent...

Just watching Forest Gump for the umpteenth time, and every time he says "that's all I have to say about that" make me think of FEB.

Silly, I know. Just can't help it. It's as if she is Francis Ellen Gump.

Did you see her there? Well, that's all I have to say about that.

Sorry. Back to lurking.

That's not silly. I renewed my boat tag in February and all I got was two huge stickers with FEB in green to stick on both sides of the front of my boat. I was like...awwwwww man....Can't I get one that say MAR? Sorry, Charlie. Your tag renews in February...you get FEB.

Oh dear. Are you aware that, under Alabama Maritime Law, you must add a " " to each of those stickers? You have 30 days to comply or I will do it for you.

doesn't he also have to paint "satan's spawn" on each side of the boat?

That generally goes on the transom. The flame decals go on either side of the craft.

but....it would be so much nicer to see it in bold red down the sides....



SATAN'S SPAWN

[reddog]

[b]Quote atypical
Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. [b]It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran. [/b][/b]


If all this is true and when put together it most certainly amounts to much more than nothing. I wonder why many people are trying so hard to dismiss it.

Just to clarify....I didn't say any of the above.

so noted.

[prolific]

[b]Quote atypical
Now Joe is cleverly using that to steer the finger of guilt pointing at his client into another direction. The witness, the keycards, FEB's statement. [b]It all amounts to nothing, just like the video will not, but it sends the reporters in other directions than Joran. [/b][/b]


If all this is true and when put together it most certainly amounts to much more than nothing. I wonder why many people are trying so hard to dismiss it.

Just to clarify....I didn't say any of the above.

I'm sorry atypical, it get's confusing with all of the quote stacks with who said what. I went back and now see it was Jack that said that, at least I think it was. So I will change my post. Sorry

[Nena]

Gump tied yellow ribbons all over the park
"My name is Frannie," she'd casually remark
Waitin' for the HMI with scripts in their pockets
SHe just kept sayin' life is like a box of chocolates

SHe's Gump, SHe's Gump
What's in her head?
SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump.
Is She in-bred?

Gump was a media celebrity
SHe told Dan that she saw Natalee
SHe never feels too dumb because
Marcia always told her brookies are what brookies does

SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump.
SHe's kinda square
SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump.
What's with that nose hair?

Run...run...run, run, now Frannie
Run...run...run like the wind now
Run...run...run, run now Frannie
Run...STOP!

Her buddy Nat was a dutch lovin' woman
Her virgin friend loved some dutch blue eyed man
Her girlfriend maddie was kind of a slut
She was always in trey's room doing it in the butt

She's Gump. SHe's Gump.
SHe's not too bright
SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump. SHe's Gump.
But She's a fright

Is this Gump out of her head?
I think so.
Is this Gump really brain-dead?
I think so.
Did this Gump see Nat alive not dead?
I think so.
And that's all I have to say about that.

[MJTenn]

I don't have to find it, I saw it the first time it was on television. That is why I know what was said. By the way it was reported that the video cameras at the Holiday Inn were not working. No video of Natalee returning that night.

Actuallyy that's not true, Beth and Dave both claimed to have viewed the tape and Beth said it wasn't Natalee and Dave said he wasn't sure. So there definitely was a tape.

That was that there was a tape at 3 something in the morning with Natalee at the front desk. I am talking about the boys supposedly dropping her off at the front of the Holiday Inn. It was stated that the cameras were not working.

I'm not sure what this talk is about Holiday Inn cameras not working the night of May 29/30. The Twittys got Hotel staff to hand over security video tape so they could verify whether Joran had dropped Natalee off at the Hotel. They determined that had not happened.

We also hear that there is tape of Frances Ellen Byrd at the front desk, allegedly with Natalee, at 03:15 May 30.

So what's the deal with the cameras the Holiday Inn not working that night all of a sudden?

Beth recently said the cameras weren't working that's why they had to use the records of the key cards to see if Natalee used her key. Yet before everyone was screaming that Natalee never returned because she didn't show up on the tape.

Yes, and iirc, Beth said that she is the one who "pulled" these records.