Man on Dutch tv told how Joran stole from him.

[Barfdoll]

cleaners. paulus was always on the side of the law. i don't think he would be involved in a burial at sea.

define "involved".....remember what he would do to protect his son/s - "anything"...

[Siddalee]

define "involved".....remember what he would do to protect his son/s - "anything"...

I do not know Paulus personally, but you might be surprised to know that many, many families would not do illegal or unscrupulous acts to protect a child's wrongdoing. From what I've heard from people who DO know him, Paulus is not a deceitful person and does seem to know right from wrong.

[Hannie]

I would do anything to protect my child also, every "normal" parent would...Doesn't mean you would get rid of a body for them....

Which parent wouldn't say; I'd do anything for my child?

As is with all phrases Paul supposedly said, this is also a good example of one which is being twisted into what some would like to 'see/read' into it....

[Luke Davis]

Sorry, don't buy it and don't excuse it. She was going on international
television with this and regardless of her emotionality or downright
bitterness, there's no excuse whatsoever for broadcasting that to the
world. Her statements were not emotional outbursts, they were
calculated, planned and dead serious. View any of the video where she
makes these accusations!

She long ago erased any sympathy or empathy I may have had for her
plight. I wouldn't trust her further than I could spit and that isn't far.
Ever wonder how her teaching colleagues feel about having given up
so much of their vacation days to her?

I have often wondered how her colleagues view her actions and how they feel about their gifts to her. As with most people in Mountain Brook they remained silent.

[Barfdoll]

For me, I guess it all boils down to what was the need to have her body disappear? And all I can figure is that Joran was just that selfish/narcisstic - he would deprive someones family of closure/burial/etc just so there were no hiccups whatsoever in his life....just a very inconsiderate act...case closed.

[PufPuf93]

For me, I guess it all boils down to what was the need to have her body disappear? And all I can figure is that Joran was just that selfish/narcisstic - he would deprive someones family of closure/burial/etc just so there were no hiccups whatsoever in his life....just a very inconsiderate act...case closed.

The fact that Natalee and her body have never been found is what has kept the case alive with fits and starts and priming with farce on occasion.

IMO a majority of the general public in the USA thinks Joran killed Natalee and that Aruba is a corrupt island and in general are weary of the missing white girl syndrome.

Those of us that have paid attention and still care are probably more diverse in opinions.

It may very well be fact that Joran is responsible for Natalee not being found with some degree of criminality.

But what has intrigued me more than Natalee gone missing is the behavior of the adults and media involved in context of the geo-political climate of Caribbean and northern Andean nations.

Perhaps the case will dwindle with no resolve or Natalee will be found, dead or alive. I doubt that we will ever know the "truth" even if Natalee was to turn up alive or her body tomorrow.

[Seraph]

For me, I guess it all boils down to what was the need to have her body disappear? And all I can figure is that Joran was just that selfish/narcisstic - he would deprive someones family of closure/burial/etc just so there were no hiccups whatsoever in his life....just a very inconsiderate act...case closed.

Oh and that's worked really well, hell, no hiccups whatsoever in his life. Joran's life sure is a picnic

[Heli]

Oh and that's worked really well, hell, no hiccups whatsoever in his life. Joran's life sure is a picnic

The envy of all his buddies.

[Barfdoll]

Oh and that's worked really well, hell, no hiccups whatsoever in his life. Joran's life sure is a picnic

I didnt say it was a good plan or that it worked

[Topsider]

Then why not apologize?

To whom

[Topsider]

He does have connections, BB. Paul was an attorney and a judge-in-training. It is a small community. As I said, Joran would never be without counsel. I am not suggesting that Paul's colleagues would break the law to help him out, but come on, favors are done every day of the week. It is not what you know, but who you know. Knowing people in the legal/justice field is a plus for anyone.

Did you ever notice

The first time he left the polis station he ran? Then when he did that interview he was sweating all get out when no one else was?

A few days later he was as cool as a cucumber and has been ever since

He and Joran's lawyer(s) never wanted Joran to give any tv interviews. But he did against their advice.

Would you refer to this as being self assured of something?

[billybob]

He does have connections, BB. Paul was an attorney and a judge-in-training. It is a small community. As I said, Joran would never be without counsel. I am not suggesting that Paul's colleagues would break the law to help him out, but come on, favors are done every day of the week. It is not what you know, but who you know. Knowing people in the legal/justice field is a plus for anyone.

I am quite sure that the Van der Sloots would vehemently deny that Paul's position gave them anything in the way of favors, even small ones!! in fact I would contend that they feel just the opposite!

[Obscuregawdess]

I am quite sure that the Van der Sloots would vehemently deny that Paul's position gave them anything in the way of favors, even small ones!! in fact I would contend that they feel just the opposite!

It did work just the opposite of what the kool-aid drinkers claim! That'swhy Paulus was arrested and had to suffer and still does... That's why Joran is still the only suspect. It did not work to their advantage.

ITA, hun!

[PufPuf93]

I am quite sure that the Van der Sloots would vehemently deny that Paul's position gave them anything in the way of favors, even small ones!! in fact I would contend that they feel just the opposite!

IIRC Paulus was involved with the indictments of some of the Mansur clan as well which probably did not help. The manufacturing of faux evidence and witnesses by Jossy (much less Skeeters et al) without repercussion gives one pause. Recall that Jossy provided Beth with statements/PVs and even published a statement on the front page of his newspaper that Dompig said was a forgery.

[billybob]

Yes Puf and OG that is exactly the way it was. In fact, right from the very first because of who Paul was he was not even allowed to even see his son. That was not because he was a suspect in those first few days but an officer of the Court. I would like to see that happen here in the states - It wouldn't. And Joran was only 17 then. I contend if Paul had been able to see him then, we might not even be at this place right now. I believe that Paul just might have had a very positive effect on Joran.
So BS to anyone that thinks that who Paul was, and who Paul knows turned into anything positive for the Van der Sloots, because it most certainly DID NOT!

[luvslalom]

It did work just the opposite of what the kool-aid drinkers claim! That'swhy Paulus was arrested and had to suffer and still does... That's why Joran is still the only suspect. It did not work to their advantage.

ITA, hun!

I would think that the majority here being adults could talk without slinging labels, such as kool-aid drinkers amongst others. How do you define this Kool aid drinker? One who thinks for himself/herself and makes an opinion on his/her belief? B/c the poster you are reacting to has just expressed an opinion.

[resigned]

I am quite sure that the Van der Sloots would vehemently deny that Paul's position gave them anything in the way of favors, even small ones!! in fact I would contend that they feel just the opposite!

...Of course they would.

[Topsider]

I would think that the majority here being adults could talk without slinging labels, such as kool-aid drinkers amongst others. How do you define this Kool aid drinker? One who thinks for himself/herself and makes an opinion on his/her belief? B/c the poster you are reacting to has just expressed an opinion.

Kool Aid drinkers is so passe

that there is a french word we use sometimes down here on the Redneck Riviera

[resigned]

Yes Puf and OG that is exactly the way it was. In fact, right from the very first because of who Paul was he was not even allowed to even see his son. That was not because he was a suspect in those first few days but an officer of the Court. I would like to see that happen here in the states - It wouldn't. And Joran was only 17 then. I contend if Paul had been able to see him then, we might not even be at this place right now. I believe that Paul just might have had a very positive effect on Joran.
So BS to anyone that thinks that who Paul was, and who Paul knows turned into anything positive for the Van der Sloots, because it most certainly DID NOT!

What were the dates that Paulus was denied access to Joran?

Why was attorney Carlo dismissed as Joran's attorney and why didnt' we hear anymore about that? What were the dates that Carlo didn't have access to Joran?

[lin]

And what was the date Joran said Paulus was able to smuggle in a cell phone to him? Wonder if the other prisoner's relatives were able to do the same for them.

[Glenda]

Did you ever notice

The first time he left the polis station he ran? Then when he did that interview he was sweating all get out when no one else was?

A few days later he was as cool as a cucumber and has been ever since

He and Joran's lawyer(s) never wanted Joran to give any tv interviews. But he did against their advice.

Would you refer to this as being self assured of something?

Have you ever been attacked by 85 cameras? Probably not even one... You are way over the top until you've been there.

[Rory]

What were the dates that Paulus was denied access to Joran?

Why was attorney Carlo dismissed as Joran's attorney and why didnt' we hear anymore about that? What were the dates that Carlo didn't have access to Joran?

This article is dated Sunday, June 19th 2005, so Friday, the day Paulus was denied visitation would have been Friday, June 17th.

I also remember reading an article about when Paulus was in custody - that they did not like Anita visiting both the father and the son - so as to not pass information.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/

On Friday, Judge Bob Wit ruled that Paul Van Der Sloot cannot visit his son in jail, but that the boy's mother may. Wit's reasoning wasn't made public. Anita Van Der Sloot visited her son late Friday

[Topsider]

Have you ever been attacked by 85 cameras? Probably not even one... You are way over the top until you've been there.

No I have never had cameras attack me. They did record my picture once

There was only one maybe two there that day. Don't exaggerate

[Bubbles]

For me, I guess it all boils down to what was the need to have her body disappear? And all I can figure is that Joran was just that selfish/narcisstic - he would deprive someones family of closure/burial/etc just so there were no hiccups whatsoever in his life....just a very inconsiderate act...case closed.

It is just as easy to spin that around and say twat made the body disappear b/c she didn't want to world to know she failed as a mother, all in the day's work of a narcisstic selfish psychomom.

[plhtx1]

No I have never had cameras attack me. They did record my picture once

There was only one maybe two there that day. Don't exaggerate

Yep, he's the only one that scurried away like a rat. Haven't seen others run from those cameras, like Paulus did.