Who told Steve Croes the HI story?

[iquitos]

it s all conjecture. we only know what we know.

[iquitos]

Ruben Trapenburg - "Aruba Government spokesperson"

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

ruben used to be the laughing stock of the bethites. has he been rehabilitated? besides, he wasn't privy to the investigative file, which was secret.

[billybob]

Joran was talking about being buried.

He did not know where she was buried.

Maybe Natalee was never on the beach, and after something happened to her, Daury advised Joran to act as normal as possible, try to involve people, make alibies and in the meantime Daury would take care of Natalee.

Maybe Natalee is buried and maybe Joran really does not know where she is buried.

I love when you talk about Duary - I just you would tell us who he is?

[iquitos]

distance?

[Glenda]

Didn't they stop speaking at some point early on in the case? Yet...I recall Ms. Renfro was still doing interviews on various media outlets..where was that info coming from if the "well had dried up"?

I don't remember her breaking any news.

[hemchi]

Should have stuck with Marianne Croes. What followed was messy.

[Glenda]

Should have stuck with Marianne Croes. What followed was messy.

I actually agree with you

[iquitos]

deleted dupe see above

[resigned]

ruben used to be the laughing stock of the bethites. has he been rehabilitated?

You think that one quote makes him any less of a laughing stock as an Aruba Government Spokesman?

Now his fellow countrymen are joining in....all in the good name of the van der Sloots.

[hemchi]

I actually agree with you

Actually?

The PROS really needed a spokesperson. After KJ flamed out why did she not assign someone else?

[resigned]

I don't remember her breaking any news.

I don't recall saying that she ever did. I couldn't figure out why any one was interviewing her.

[iquitos]

Actually?

The PROS really needed a spokesperson. After KJ flamed out why did she not assign someone else?

i think there may have been some tension on this issue between karin and her boss, marianne's momma.

[hemchi]

i think there may have been some tension on this issue between karin and her boss, marianne's momma.

A little. IIRC, m's momma gave out KJ's personal cell # at a presser after KJ relieved Marianne of her duties. roflmao

So KJ replaces Marianne...burns out after a few weeks...then nothing until Mos n' Dop, essentially. Vivian whatsername was always around but low profile.

[resigned]

What happened to Vivian van der Biezen..I thought she was the original OM spokesperson when the case broke and described as head of legal and policy assistance for the Aruba prosecutor’s office.

She seemed to fade out after mid-June 2005...even though she still worked for the OM.

[hemchi]

What happened to Vivian van der Biezen..I thought she was the original OM spokesperson when the case broke and described as head of legal and policy assistance for the Aruba prosecutor’s office.

She seemed to fade out after mid-June 2005...even though she still worked for the OM.

Just a guess but after KJ's no body/no case interviews in late June 05 all media was handed over to the task force.

[luvslalom]

Some actually serious here with "Joran told the truth first". It really does make sense that Joran told the beach story on the 31st, and the truth before K2, and Paulus had absolutely no reason to DOUBT the boys with their HI story for 10 days yet.

[liesbeth]

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[luvslalom]

iquitos wrote:

the cops knew on the 31st. joran apparently let it slip then denied it later. he didn't let the slaves know. the cops told them and they came clean. i think the cops knew from early on. that is why they arrested steve. they knew he was lying.

Not sure about the 31st...you apparently get "private" info from somewhere as I don't recall that ever being mentioned.
What I do recall however is about PV's stating that Joran was called out of school by van der Stratten to a meeting, which included his father and...was it Jacobs?
It could have been a possibililty Joran "cracked" there in that very comfortable meeting arrangement?

[liesbeth]

[enfant terrible]

HET VERHOOR VAN 18 JUNI

(45.15 min) Peter: maar toch is Joran in de ogen van de recherche wel degelijk een keer uit zijn rol gevallen. Dat gebeurde tijdens een bijzonder verhoor. Het was het verhoor van 18 juni 2005.

(45.30 min) Voice-over: op die dag viel Joran dus uit zijn rol, zo meent de recherche, als men achteraf de bandopname van de verhoren nog eens analyseert. Steeds was Joran sterk geweest, maar nu is Joran moe. En als rechercheur Dennis Jacobs hem een duivel noemt, slaan de stoppen door. Joran wordt kwaad, verheft zich en valt uit in de volgende bewoordingen: ” Jullie weten niets, ik weet wat jullie denken. Jullie denken dat ik seks met Natalee heb gehad, dat ik mijn vader heb gebeld, dat mijn vader is gekomen en dat wij het lichaam hebben weggewerkt”. Maar, de mogelijke rol van Joran’s vader bij de verdwijning, is in dit stadium van het onderzoek nog nauwelijks ter sprake geweest. Als de rechercheur vervolgens vraagt waar Natalee dan is, antwoord Joran: ”ik weet niet waar ze ligt begraven”. Voor de politie was het de vraag of Joran nu zomaar iets opperde, of dat hij meer wist van wat er met Natalee was gebeurd. Immers, op dit moment speelt alleen nog maar het strandverhaal van de jongens. Hierna herwint Joran zichzelf weer. Tijdens dit verhoor wordt echter niet adequaat ingespeeld op deze wending. Een van de oorzaken, die men daar later aan toeschrijft, is dat de verhoren bij uitzondering in het Nederlands moesten worden afgenomen, en niet in de eigen taal Papiamento. Dat kwam omdat er afgevaardigden uit Nederland meeluisterden in de schaduwkamer. En die konden anders niets verstaan.

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"coca de vries one seriously goofy fokker"

We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet.

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, head agent and sergeant at the Korps Police Force Aruba, explain the following.

On Tuesday, 31 May 2005, around 15.30 interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Deepak Sharma KALPOE

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I will answer you no.

I, Dennis Dominico JACOBS, head officer at the Korps Police force Aruba and assigned to the Atraco team, explain the following.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2005, at 19:20, I interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Satish Sharma KALPOE


On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

[resigned]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:04 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Police say one of three men who took a missing Alabama high school student to the beach admits he killed her.

http://www.discussionforums.us/forum/sh ... php?t=9358

[enfant terrible]

Yahoo! Alerts
Breaking News Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:04 PM PDT


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Police say one of three men who took a missing Alabama high school student to the beach admits he killed her.

http://www.discussionforums.us/forum/sh ... php?t=9358

"bated breath"

"inkling"

"mere morsel"

'ANYTHING"

PLEASE

Updated: CNN: Aruba Confession Aruba police official: Suspect confesses to killing missing teen
CNN ^ | June 10, 2005 | Karl Penhaul and Rick Sanchez

Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 11:55:04 PM by Ganymede

Edited on Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:08:24 AM by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

CNN just reported that one or more of the three young men arrested earlier this week have informed authorities that Natalee is dead. They have notified police where the body is buried. I didn't get any details about the circumstances of her death.

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CNN Saturday, June 11, 2005 Posted: 12:26 AM EDT (0426 GMT)

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.

Police did not say which of the three confessed.

The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.

The three, taken into custody early Thursday, were the last people to have reported seeing the missing woman.

Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with classmates celebrating their high school graduation.

Later that night, Holloway went to a popular nightclub, Carlos 'N Charlie's, with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.

Holly Brown, a Holloway friend who was at the club that night, said she found Van Der Sloot to be "very different."

"He lied about his age, and when we went on the [Carlos 'N Charlie's] Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes," Brown told CNN.

David Kock: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given. I think, though, it's — because I saw it, too, that it appeared here in the newspaper. But I think you have to put it into context, that that was just one of the stories that Joran told, and that afterwards, he has changed his story again.

It wasn't a statement that he signed, it was something that the police said that he declared during a conversation, that he said, yes, something must have gone wrong with the girl. And then when they asked him, What do you think, and he says, Well, I think maybe after I got — because that was at a time when he was stating that Deepak came and picked him up here and dropped him at home, which was also impossible because of the records afterwards, but at that time, he did not know that.

So he came up with that story that Deepak picked him up, dropped him at home, and he assumed that something went wrong, so that maybe, Deepak, knowing that the girl was here lying on the beach, came back and then did something to the girl and then bury her, no? But yes, I don't know if that was a story told, you know, as a joke, if it was maybe speaking as in a third person type of situation. I mean, but what we know is that afterwards, his statements have changed, so, you know? We don't have to only focus on that one

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[liesbeth]

[henk]

Quote LiesBeth
The suggestive things Joran’s father said can be very scaring and frightening to people who know nothing about those things. Can be very intimidating, the things those people told the Kalpoe brothers.

[Glenda]

Quote:
We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet.


Quote:

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, head agent and sergeant at the Korps Police Force Aruba, explain the following.

On Tuesday, 31 May 2005, around 15.30 interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Deepak Sharma KALPOE

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I will answer you no.



Quote:


I, Dennis Dominico JACOBS, head officer at the Korps Police force Aruba and assigned to the Atraco team, explain the following.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2005, at 19:20, I interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Satish Sharma KALPOE


On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

So on May 31st, Joran says that he went in the water with Natalee at the Fisherman's Huts.

Both Kalpoes say it didn't happen.