About Natalee and her mother: by Renee Gielen

[sarge]

Oh well, then it has to be true.

That is why all of the investigators take her stories so seriously.

[ghost]

I heard from a taxi driver last week that Lindsay Lohan isn't actually a lesbian because Samantha Ronson is a cover for her relationship with Prince William. The queen does not approve, so it's all very hush-hush.

He HEARD her say so. So it's true. And DO NOT QUESTION THAT.

[enfant terrible]

Greta:


Karin says to this Mrs Friedman of the Justice Department that there is no evidence of a crime...asks if Beth Twitty is related to Hitler.

Joe I have a copy of this letter that was sent October 31 from Karin Janssen to Mrs. Judith Friedman, Dept of Justice.


Joe:

they are looking into the prospect she's a runaway, the students had talked about it...it sounds like I'm throwing things out, but these are Karin's words, they ask did Natalee ever run away from home when did it happen, did she make plans to meet a boy in Aruba.

Greta:

An extraordinary letter written in October. Thank you Joe


This letter that was sent October 31 from Karin Janssen to Mrs. Judith Friedman, Dept of Justice.

"wonder what else is in that little 20 page "letter"

"stuff"

other "things"

"roll tide"

Mountain Brook"

[Slickster]

Greta:


Karin says to this Mrs Friedman of the Justice Department that there is no evidence of a crime...asks if Beth Twitty is related to Hitler.

Joe I have a copy of this letter that was sent October 31 from Karin Janssen to Mrs. Judith Friedman, Dept of Justice.


Joe:

they are looking into the prospect she's a runaway, the students had talked about it...it sounds like I'm throwing things out, but these are Karin's words, they ask did Natalee ever run away from home when did it happen, did she make plans to meet a boy in Aruba.

Greta:

An extraordinary letter written in October. Thank you Joe


This letter that was sent October 31 from Karin Janssen to Mrs. Judith Friedman, Dept of Justice.

"wonder what else is in that little 20 page "letter"

"stuff"

other "things"

"roll tide"

Mountain Brook"

WhooooHooooo Aruba!

[enfant terrible]

"key being"

"never ever"

"get involved in an international incident"

"ever"

"lay low" 8)

"mind your own business keep your nose clean"

"the resistence witnessed is the 'shady' Mountain Brooke parent's, desparately trying to steer the spot light away from them


"No such luck"


"Thanks to that interloper, out of towner, wannabee hog roaster bath twatty and her darter"

All and everyone on that trip now registered in the "B I G BROTHER database"

"FROM INTERPOL TO FBI TO GBI TO ABI TO ALE TO KLPD"


FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE PATHETIC LITTLE LIVES, STARTING AT 18 YO"

"THAT'S IT. VIRGIN "KIDS' CLEAR RECORD TO FOLLOW THEIR PARENT'S FOOT STEPS"

"now databased across the world for ever until kingdom kome"

Now and for ever when an " FEB "or a" Carlton Von Mallory Hog Vest IIV" crosses borders anywhere in the world and their passport is swiped:

BLING: it will show up, 'yeah part of some bizarre equation "c" years ago"

"their lives or done. Never ever be able to escape big brother's radar, like their grandpappy and their pappy did"

And they're only 18 years old:(

DONE TOAST FOR EVER NO AND IN THE FUTURE, ALL THE MOUNTAIN BROOKE KIDDIES ARE LOGGED IN
TO THE MASTER INTERPOL DATABASE
FOREVER UNTIL THEY CAN PROE
THEY ARE DEAD, AND THEY ARE ONLY 18 YEARS OLD.


OUCH.

It's rather sad their small town privileged mentally Mommy and Daddy protection, equally so for their parent's lack the simplstic understandin tha the world is ia BIG PLACE and oh wow might, just might extend
beyond the borders for Mountain Brook. Oh, wow, even bigger , maybe state line maybe continent :roll: "



Sad but true


"the main reason the poor girl got "lost" for ever in the first place"

[Slickster]

"key being"

"never ever"

"get involved in an international incident"

"ever"

"lay low" 8)

"mind your own business keep your nose clean"

"the resistence witnessed is the 'shady' Mountain Brooke parent's, desparately trying to steer the spot light away from them


"No such luck"


"Thanks to that interloper, out of towner, wannabee hog roaster bath twatty and her darter"

All and everyone on that trip now registered in the "B I G BROTHER database"

"FROM INTERPOL TO FBI TO GBI TO ABI TO ALE TO KLPD"


FOR THE REST OF THEIR MISERABLE PATHETIC LITTLE LIVES, STARTING AT 18 YO"

"THAT'S IT. VIRGIN "KIDS' CLEAR RECORD TO FOLLOW THEIR PARENT'S FOOT STEPS"

"now databased across the world for ever until kingdom kome"

Now and for ever when an " FEB "or a" Carlton Von Mallory Hog Vest IIV" crosses borders anywhere in the world and their passport is swiped:

BLING: it will show up, 'yeah part of some bizarre equation "c" years ago"

"their lives or done. Never ever be able to escape big brother's radar, like their grandpappy and their pappy did"

And they're only 18 years old:(

DONE TOAST FOR EVER NO AND IN THE FUTURE, ALL THE MOUNTAIN BROOKE KIDDIES ARE LOGGED IN
TO THE MASTER INTERPOL DATABASE
FOREVER UNTIL THEY CAN PROE
THEY ARE DEAD, AND THEY ARE ONLY 18 YEARS OLD.


OUCH.

It's rather sad their small town privileged mentally Mommy and Daddy protection, equally so for their parent's lack the simplstic understandin tha the world is ia BIG PLACE and oh wow might, just might extend
beyond the borders for Mountain Brook. Oh, wow, even bigger , maybe state line maybe continent :roll: "



Sad but true


"the main reason the poor girl got "lost" for ever in the first place"

Poor Girl = Correct!

Sad,

But TRUE!

[CancunMole]

Now THAT is funny.
Over 3 years of Beth doing exactly that, and you say nothing.

You don't even know Renee, haven't seen her proof, but she is "trashing people" by telling the truth?

Renee has proof of everything.
Everything.

Carry on... its rather entertaining to watch.

With all you have been purporting, do you KNOW Beth? Do you KNOW Renee? Either one personally? All 3 are merely rhetorical in nature...unless you have proof.......

You've laughed off the comments/questions that you may have been the one providing and having been acknowledged by Renee with having possibly been the one giving her the, IMO, silly renditions of possible photoshopping of the majority of the NH pics....

If one does not knows either person in REAL LIFE, how can anyone verify on a Message Board that either one has proof or is telling the truth? It's ALL quessing, opinion and mostly speculation. IMO, LOL!

[enfant terrible]

With all you have been purporting, do you KNOW Beth? Do you KNOW Renee? Either one personally? All 3 are merely rhetorical in nature...unless you have proof.......

You've laughed off the comments/questions that you may have been the one providing and having been acknowledged by Renee with having possibly been the one giving her the, IMO, silly renditions of possible photoshopping of the majority of the NH pics....

If one does not knows either person in REAL LIFE, how can anyone verify on a Message Board that either one has proof or is telling the truth? It's ALL quessing, opinion and mostly speculation. IMO, LOL!

Have you ever been to Aruba?

Any idea where the Duary telephone booth is?

[WordsofWisdom]

WoW, thanks for permission to carry on. It's only fair that I entertain you for a while, I guess. I've got much entertainment from all the photoshopped pics you've posted.

Glad I can help.
And I have more pics... I will post them soon.

[WordsofWisdom]

Rene has proof that Natalee was in a drub rehab? I think NOT!

YOU would know, but Renee, who investigated this case, would not?

How does that work?

[plhtx1]

There used to be a pay phone at the racket club.

[sunmoonstars]

YOU would know, but Renee, who investigated this case, would not?

How does that work?

Wow, since you asked, the same person who told Renee it did not happen told me.

[WordsofWisdom]

With all you have been purporting, do you KNOW Beth? Do you KNOW Renee? Either one personally? All 3 are merely rhetorical in nature...unless you have proof.......

You've laughed off the comments/questions that you may have been the one providing and having been acknowledged by Renee with having possibly been the one giving her the, IMO, silly renditions of possible photoshopping of the majority of the NH pics....

If one does not knows either person in REAL LIFE, how can anyone verify on a Message Board that either one has proof or is telling the truth? It's ALL quessing, opinion and mostly speculation. IMO, LOL!

Please go back and read the posts you are referring to.
I was ACCUSED of being the person providing photoshopped proof to Renee. I was very clear about the fact that I AM NOT. She verified the manipulation of photos with professionals.

I do not know these 2 women.

I do know that there is a massive campaign to discredit Renee without any basis in fact. We have learned that this is the way HMI works. If they don't want people to beleive others that are speaking out, they simply start a smear campaign against them.

I also know that Renee verified her facts.
Unlike Beth Twitty.

You can believe the photos were photo-shopped or not, it has no bearing on me at all. I will continue to post what I find, without regard to other's opinion, as I know they are photo-shopped. But you certainly can believe otherwise. As I said, I will continue to show what I have found. The reaction of some that are attacking me instead of discussing the pictures is revealing.

Call them silly all you want.
That doesn't change the picture, nor the obvious (and extremely poor job of ) photo-shopping.

[WordsofWisdom]

Wow, since you asked, the same person who told Renee it did not happen told me.

The same person that told Renee it did happen, told you that it didn't happen, am I reading that right?

[sunmoonstars]

The same person that told Renee it did happen, told you that it didn't happen, am I reading that right?

No, she was told it wasn't true and so was I.

[resigned]

With all you have been purporting, do you KNOW Beth? Do you KNOW Renee? Either one personally? All 3 are merely rhetorical in nature...unless you have proof.......

You've laughed off the comments/questions that you may have been the one providing and having been acknowledged by Renee with having possibly been the one giving her the, IMO, silly renditions of possible photoshopping of the majority of the NH pics....

If one does not knows either person in REAL LIFE, how can anyone verify on a Message Board that either one has proof or is telling the truth? It's ALL quessing, opinion and mostly speculation. IMO, LOL!

Please go back and read the posts you are referring to.
I was ACCUSED of being the person providing photoshopped proof to Renee. I was very clear about the fact that I AM NOT. She verified the manipulation of photos with professionals.

I do not know these 2 women.

I do know that there is a massive campaign to discredit Renee without any basis in fact. We have learned that this is the way HMI works. If they don't want people to beleive others that are speaking out, they simply start a smear campaign against them.

I also know that Renee verified her facts.
Unlike Beth Twitty.

You can believe the photos were photo-shopped or not, it has no bearing on me at all. I will continue to post what I find, without regard to other's opinion, as I know they are photo-shopped. But you certainly can believe otherwise. As I said, I will continue to show what I have found. The reaction of some that are attacking me instead of discussing the pictures is revealing.

Call them silly all you want.
That doesn't change the picture, nor the obvious (and extremely poor job of ) photo-shopping.

Who verified the manipulation of photos by professionals?

Wouldn't the originals be necessary to verify that?

How could "HMI" manipulate something if they didn't have the originals? - that doesn't make sense.

[WordsofWisdom]

No, she was told it wasn't true and so was I.

A couple of things come to mind...

You are assuming that Renee didn't find supporting evidence elsewhere.

You are assuming that this person that told you is telling the truth. (maybe they are, but how would you know?)

And for the record, I am pretty sure the statement that you are referring to the one where Jug and Mitch said it, the taxi driver heard it and repeated it to Renee. Is that the one?

[WordsofWisdom]

Who verified the manipulation of photos by professionals?

Wouldn't the originals be necessary to verify that?

How could "HMI" manipulate something if they didn't have the originals? - that doesn't make sense.

The originals are not required to verify if a photo has been manipulated.

[sunmoonstars]

A couple of things come to mind...

You are assuming that Renee didn't find supporting evidence elsewhere.

You are assuming that this person that told you is telling the truth. (maybe they are, but how would you know?)

And for the record, I am pretty sure the statement that you are referring to the one where Jug and Mitch said it, the taxi driver heard it and repeated it to Renee. Is that the one?

WoW, I will believe Natalee's father any day of the week over a taxi driver. Dave Holloway told Renee it was NOT true when she came here to talk with him. You are more than welcome to believe Renee or the cab driver, it's nothing to me either way. You would also be assuming she's telling the truth unless you were in the car that night.

[WordsofWisdom]

No, she was told it wasn't true and so was I.

How would you know what she was told?

Also, why are you assuming the person that told you is the same person that told her? There have been a lot of people lying in this case, thats why an investigation is needed. To verify fact or fiction. Why do you assume that she did not verify it?

[sunmoonstars]

How would you know what she was told?

Also, why are you assuming the person that told you is the same person that told her? There have been a lot of people lying in this case, thats why an investigation is needed. To verify fact or fiction. Why do you assume that she did not verify it?

WoW, I know of one person who told Renee that Natalee was never in rehab and I chose to believe that person any day of the week over a cab driver in Aruba. I'm entitled to choose who to believe just as you are.

[WordsofWisdom]

WoW, I will believe Natalee's father any day of the week over a taxi driver. Dave Holloway told Renee it was NOT true when she came here to talk with him. You are more than welcome to believe Renee or the cab driver, it's nothing to me either way. You would also be assuming she's telling the truth unless you were in the car that night.

No disrespect, honestly...
But Dave wouldn't have known.
He did not see that much of Natalee in her Senior year.
And IMO, Beth made sure that he didn't know.

Yes, Dave denied it.
Was Renee supposed to just believe it and stop her investigation because Dave said so? Of course not.
Dave (still) does not know everything that went on in MB.

[WordsofWisdom]

WoW, I know of one person who told Renee that Natalee was never in rehab and I chose to believe that person any day of the week over a cab driver in Aruba. I'm entitled to choose who to believe just as you are.

Absolutely.
And I mean that.

But so do I.

[resigned]

The originals are not required to verify if a photo has been manipulated.

In order to claim that HMI manipulated photos then it would make sense that they would have had to provide the photos - or it's a bogus claim. Once the photo's have been published, then anyone could alter them.....IF that would be the case......... which I haven't seen in those prom shots, alleged missing fingers or added fingers and limbs - altered leg, ankles, freckles etc...shots that have been posted here.

[resigned]

I still haven't talked to anyone involved the case.

......But I still think Joran knows why Natalee disappeared. Just call me crazy as ALE or KLPD.