Once more: the computer records

[plhtx1]

A mere child, would you like your kid stalked like you are doing joining in with the mob here ?

Sander was was a mere child, also, and we've seen the pictures of him and Joran partying together.

[billybob]

You have never spoken any unkind words about the Twitty boys or about Natalee's brother. You did not ever engage in any of the unkind remarks about his weight or as far as I can remember, you did not ever say anything unkind about Natalee.

I think you are sincere when you talk about the VDS and you are friends with them now. However, unless you lived in their house and knew the family before the Natalee Holloway disappearance you cannot speak as an authority on went on in their house before you knew them. You only know what you have been told.
It seems to me that Val has turned out to be a fine young man with a very bright future ahead of him. Speculation here is just that, speculation or theories of what might could have happened.

Thanks sarge I appreciate that you understand I have no ill feelings at all against any Twitty or anyone in Natalee's family - and certainly not Natalee herself.

I realize I did not know the VDS then - and can only speculate. But since I am about the only one that really does know any of them at all and posts I do feel compelled - occasionally to come on here and try and explain and defend certain things based on how I see them and their family relationships.

The fact that Val has turned out so well, in spite of all that has happened to that family should in a way show exactly what I mean when I say it would be impossible to consider any involvement or even any cover up on his part of the events of May 2005.

This theory posted today, by FJ just jumped out at me, because normally she is a fairly rational poster.

[fierljepper]

Thanks sarge I appreciate that you understand I have no ill feelings at all against any Twitty or anyone in Natalee's family - and certainly not Natalee herself.

I realize I did not know the VDS then - and can only speculate. But since I am about the only one that really does know any of them at all and posts I do feel compelled - occasionally to come on here and try and explain and defend certain things based on how I see them and their family relationships.

The fact that Val has turned out so well, in spite of all that has happened to that family should in a way show exactly what I mean when I say it would be impossible to consider any involvement or even any cover up on his part of the events of May 2005.

This theory posted today, by FJ just jumped out at me, because normally she is a fairly rational poster.

Billybob,

Appreciate your decent and fair pushback. Agree that I might have gone a bit too far in this particular speculation.

Do you agree though that there is some rationale in posing questions like: 'Which event caused Val to wake up that night?" and "Did he actually meet his brother that morning or not?"

P.S.
Your speculation about the 'she' is totally wrong. I happen to know FJ very well and you can safely drop the 's'.

[billybob]

All I know is that any information that Val would have had that could have shed any light on this puzzle he would have done so. First of all because he is a very honest young man, second because he would never cover for Joran and third because the VDS family want this case solved - always have always will!!

[fierljepper]

All I know is that any information that Val would have had that could have shed any light on this puzzle he would have done so. First of all because he is a very honest young man, second because he would never cover for Joran and third because the VDS family want this case solved - always have always will!!

I do understand that the VDS family wants closure on this case and in fact all "stakeholders" want this desparately (the Holloway's, Twitty's, Aruba, ALE, NL, USA, internet posters on RU, BFN, SM, Scrux, etc.).

Since you're so close to the family, I guess you must have gotten some info driectly from the 'horse's mouth' and based on that formed your own specific opnion about this whole case. I actually never spoke to someone so 'close to the fire' and curious to learn what your current thoughts are esp. about Joran's role (unless you are Medley from Scrux, who I also know has warm contacts with the VDS family).

Thanks.

[prolific]

No one, unless they were there that night knows what happened or who was involved.

Casual aquaintences made after the fact is a far cry from claiming one would know for a fact who did and didn't do something.

People can know someone intimately for years and years prior and be shocked to find out they were involved in something like this.

It's not as if people go around announcing their involvement in things or don't put their best foot forward when someone periodically comes to visit.

[luvslalom]

No one, unless they were there that night knows what happened or who was involved.

Casual aquaintences made after the fact is a far cry from claiming one would know for a fact who did and didn't do something.

People can know someone intimately for years and years prior and be shocked to find out they were involved in something like this.

It's not as if people go around announcing their involvement in things or don't put their best foot forward when someone periodically comes to visit.

You are so correct, Prolific. Even people married to each other may sometimes not really know each other well.

[Bongo]

''il est plus honteux de se défier de ses amis que d'en être trompé''
Francois VI La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

= like 'it is more shameful to mistrust one's friends then to be decieved by them'

Hulde voor Billy Bob!!

Personally I do not mistrust the fam. VdS either, although I do not 'know' them like BB does. From what I've seen, heard and read, they all look fine, nice, friendly and sincere people to me. No mistrust whatsoever. I'm quite confident they 'won't let me down' . If so I will be disappointed but at the same time I will not feel ashamed for having trusted them.

I'm a believer.. and I feel happy about it...

[GBMW]

No one, unless they were there that night knows what happened or who was involved.

Casual aquaintences made after the fact is a far cry from claiming one would know for a fact who did and didn't do something.

People can know someone intimately for years and years prior and be shocked to find out they were involved in something like this.

It's not as if people go around announcing their involvement in things or don't put their best foot forward when someone periodically comes to visit.

I agree with you Prolific; but I can understand BB thinks she knows them and wants to defend Valentijn.

[Black-Tulip]

I agree with you Prolific; but I can understand BB thinks she knows them and wants to defend Valentijn.

Of course it makes a big difference if you know people personally. Why else do opinions about people often change when you meet them in real life?

[prolific]

Of course it makes a big difference if you know people personally. Why else do opinions about people often change when you meet them in real life?

It still doesn't mean anyone knows for a fact what went on that night unless they were there.

I don't think Val was involved but who really knows for sure what went on?

It is sort of silly to read all posts about MB kids or anyone else's possible involvement yet scream about Val when he's mentioned. Val was brought into the case because evidence showed it was him on the computer at the same time Natalee supposedly disappeared and Joran supposedly went on the computer immediately afterwards..

That's not anyone elses fault is it? Screaming that he's off limits seems a bit hypocritical unless all kids even the MB kids are off limits.

JMO

[WordsofWisdom]

bb, that's the way a lot of us feel about the Twitty boys, especially the repeated crap about Thomas Twitty. Val was on Aruba as were the Twitty boys, so I guess they're all fair game. If you want to omit Val you have to omit Thomas Twitty. Can't have it both ways, IMO.

Nope.

The Twitty boys were witness' and they were adults, they have refused to give statements to LE, and they abandoned, their OWN family member, by leaving the Island and NEVER ONCE returning to help find her.

BIG difference.
Huge.

[Black-Tulip]

It still doesn't mean anyone knows for a fact what went on that night unless they were there.

I don't think Val was involved but who really knows for sure what went on?

It is sort of silly to read all posts about MB kids or anyone else's possible involvement yet scream about Val when he's mentioned. Val was brought into the case because evidence showed it was him on the computer at the same time Natalee supposedly disappeared and Joran supposedly went on the computer immediately afterwards..

That's not anyone elses fault is it? Screaming that he's off limits seems a bit hypocritical unless all kids even the MB kids are off limits.

JMO

I agree with you, Val is not off limit. That's not the point.

Knowing someone personally gives your opinion more value. Still could be totally wrong.

[WordsofWisdom]

It still doesn't mean anyone knows for a fact what went on that night unless they were there.

I don't think Val was involved but who really knows for sure what went on?

It is sort of silly to read all posts about MB kids or anyone else's possible involvement yet scream about Val when he's mentioned. Val was brought into the case because evidence showed it was him on the computer at the same time Natalee supposedly disappeared and Joran supposedly went on the computer immediately afterwards..

That's not anyone elses fault is it? Screaming that he's off limits seems a bit hypocritical unless all kids even the MB kids are off limits.

JMO

Nope.

BIG HUGE Difference between the 2.

[GEL]

Nope.

The Twitty boys were witness' and they were adults, they have refused to give statements to LE, and they abandoned, their OWN family member, by leaving the Island and NEVER ONCE returning to help find her.

BIG difference.
Huge.

As it has been said if you weren't at that house that night then you don't know if Val was involved or not or if Val may know something. Please read what Prolific wrote too.
I'm sure the Twitty boys gave statements to the FBI unless you were there too, to say they did not. geesh

[Slickster]

As it has been said if you weren't at that house that night then you don't know if Val was involved or not or if Val may know something. Please read what Prolific wrote too.
I'm sure the Twitty boys gave statements to the FBI unless you were there too, to say they did not. geesh

Link Please!
TIA.

[resigned]

Link Please!
TIA.

Link to Val's statement(s)!

TIA

[WordsofWisdom]

As it has been said if you weren't at that house that night then you don't know if Val was involved or not or if Val may know something. Please read what Prolific wrote too.

I'm sure the Twitty boys gave statements to the FBI unless you were there too, to say they did not. geesh

Please read what I wrote.

What you WANT to do to that child is disgusting.
You don't know, therefore it is up for discussion?
I THINK NOT!
He is a minor child and has not spoken in public about it.
He is NOT fair game!

The Twitty Twins did NOT, I repeat did NOT give statements to LE. You say you are sure, are you?
Where you there?
Have you seen them?
I think NOT.

[WordsofWisdom]

The Twitty Boys were adults at the time.

What I find absolutely disgusting is that these "Christian" boys are allowing this fable to go on and on and on.

[Slickster]

Something smells rotten in Mountain Brook.
It's really disturbing to say the least that the students have been asked by the families not to speak out.
Why is image more important than finding one of their own?

Posted by: Paola | Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 07:13 PM

[Slickster]

[snipped]

A word on Mountain Brook.
While I've no doubt it is comprised of many good people it is an upper-middle, to upper class area where image is everything.
It became clear to different residents I spoke with that saying or doing anything as regards the trip or the story which was not approved could lead to, in essence, being somehow negatively labeled within the community.
Mountain Brook, Alabama was not going to do its wash in public, or tolerate anyone who might.

In a report from one earlier but recent graduate of Mountain Brook High School, the class of 2005 had something of a reputation for hard partying above and beyond what was considered the norm.


rwv

[prolific]

Please read what I wrote.

What you WANT to do to that child is disgusting.
You don't know, therefore it is up for discussion?
I THINK NOT!
He is a minor child and has not spoken in public about it.
He is NOT fair game!

The Twitty Twins did NOT, I repeat did NOT give statements to LE. You say you are sure, are you?
Where you there?
Have you seen them?
I think NOT.

Val is not a child any longer. For three years we have been discussing minor children. The MB kids were minor children at the time as well. And Natalee was a minor, remember all the discussion about how can parents allow a minor child to go off to another country to drink?

Just as one can speculate that the Twitty twins never gave a statement there's also no evidence that Val gave a statement.

Just can't scream that one is off limits while saying it's ok to speculate about everyone else.

Val shouldn't be bashed but he is part of the case, like it or not.

After three years it really seems silly that these kind of arguments would even still be going on.

[WordsofWisdom]

Val is not a child any longer. For three years we have been discussing minor children. The MB kids were minor children at the time as well. And Natalee was a minor, remember all the discussion about how can parents allow a minor child to go off to another country to drink?

Just as one can speculate that the Twitty twins never gave a statement there's also no evidence that Val gave a statement.

Just can't scream that one is off limits while saying it's ok to speculate about everyone else.

Val shouldn't be bashed but he is part of the case, like it or not.

After three years it really seems silly that these kind of arguments would even still be going on.

The MB "Kids" with a couple of exceptions, were adults.
EXCEPT when in Alabama.

Go ahead... discuss him... I wont though.

[resigned]

The MB "Kids" with a couple of exceptions, were adults.
EXCEPT when in Alabama.

Go ahead... discuss him... I wont though.

Who won't you discuss?

[prolific]

The MB "Kids" with a couple of exceptions, were adults.
EXCEPT when in Alabama.

Go ahead... discuss him... I wont though.

Honestly wow, I really don't care anymore. I rarely post in here although I do read. I still care about Natalee and hope they can one day solve the case, everyone deserves that. Just thought it was odd reading that after all this time people are saying that Val shouldn't be discussed or that anyone knows for a fact what he did or didn't know or do.

It also seems seem a little odd now that after three years of saying the MB kids were minors who should never have been allowed to go to Aruba and all the discussions about them drinking underage, even though it was legal in Aruba, because they were minors in the US that they're now considered adults in 2005.