Occam's razor cut to the bone

[frazerclan]

It would seem that the simplest answer would be known by the person that was with her last - Joran.

That is not necessarily a true statement. It has a little spin on it. Just because he was the last known person to be with her or to see her doesn't mean he knows what happened to her. I thought this thread was about finding the simplest solution.

Back to the same old she said, he said, she did, he did argument that every thread appears to end up with. Derailed again, eh?

[WordsofWisdom]

It would seem that the simplest answer would be known by the person that was with her last - Joran.

I agree that it would seem that the simplest answer would be known by the person that was with her last.

Unfortunately it is not (publicly) known who that is.
All we (the public) know is that JVDS is the only one that we (the public) know of. Had the students and adults from MB spoken up instead of attending "prayer" meetings, and scripted interviews- we would know that answer.

There are too many indications that Beth and Jug, etc. were on a mission to cover "something" up by lieing and obstructing the investigation. The only reason for doing something like that (other than mental illness) is if they are complicit in this "disappearance".

[WordsofWisdom]

Ahhh, yes.....but Daddy was a Judge In Training and knew what to tell his son and 2K regarding the law.

As did the Twitty boys with grandpa Twitty.

[all10suspects]

As did the Twitty boys with grandpa Twitty.

Yes but they did not know Aruban law! Paul knows how to play the system
after being in the system is whole working life!

[AC]

As did the Twitty boys with grandpa Twitty.

The Twitty boys have never been a suspect, like Joran. I have not seen one bit of proof that the Twitty boys were involved in her disappearance, not one. So, continue with your misinformation campaign, but just know that to me, it is getting old.

[Heli]

Ahhh, yes.....but Daddy was a Judge In Training and knew what to tell his son and 2K regarding the law.

As did the Twitty boys with grandpa Twitty.

Rest assured that the Twittys have several attorneys, LE officials, political contacts etc. on their roster of friends.

It seems AC and others suggest that a person with family members in the judiciary, LE etc. is by default to be suspected of having illegal counsel given to him and 'strings pulled' on his behalf. How utterly preposterous. Yes, it can happen but I find it offensive that it's concluded by default - in this case and all others.

[iquitos]

The Twitty boys have never been a suspect, like Joran. I have not seen one bit of proof that the Twitty boys were involved in her disappearance, not one. So, continue with your misinformation campaign, but just know that to me, it is getting old.

what evidence have you seen joran was? the aruban prosecutor has none. why would you? there is no evidence of who natalee was last with.

[WordsofWisdom]

Yes but they did not know Aruban law! Paul knows how to play the system
after being in the system is whole working life!

Bullcrap.

Not only does Grandpa practice international law, he is politically connected AND his clients include large corporations, and the U.S. government.

And there is THIS:

DEBARDELEBEN, CHARLES W
MCWANE, PHILLIP
WHITLOCK, JEFF
KOEPSEL, BILL
TWITTY, GEORGE
TWITTY, TOM
ENNIS, MITCH

HT to: plhtx1
Charles is Jug's best friend.
Also, not in private practice, so he is not the Twitty's personal atty.

AND...

He is an atty. He's the one that got the Twitty's hooked up with the Souza woman, right away.

[Heli]

The Twitty boys have never been a suspect, like Joran. I have not seen one bit of proof that the Twitty boys were involved in her disappearance, not one. So, continue with your misinformation campaign, but just know that to me, it is getting old.

We're all getting old.

The constant refrain of Joran is guilty of something is getting quite old as well. Until "something" is defined as an indictable offense substantiated by valid evidence, I'd say all of the wild speculation and possible scenarios of what happened and where (with no corroborative evidence for any of it) is more than old.

[AC]

Rest assured that the Twittys have several attorneys, LE officials, political contacts etc. on their roster of friends.

It seems AC and others suggest that a person with family members in the judiciary, LE etc. is by default to be suspected of having illegal counsel given to him and 'strings pulled' on his behalf. How utterly preposterous. Yes, it can happen but I find it offensive that it's concluded by default - in this case and all others.

Heli, it is not preposterous....as it has been stated here many times, "no body, no case". Now, with that mindset, to me sounds like the beginnings of a cover up. That is my opinion. It takes me back to the Caylee Anthony case. Just because there is no body, doesn't mean someone was not involved in a crime. I think Joran was involved in a crime and I think Paul knows more about it than is known...but like I said, that is MY opinion.

[AC]

what evidence have you seen joran was? the aruban prosecutor has none. why would you? there is no evidence of who natalee was last with.

Ummm, from his own mouth.

[WordsofWisdom]

The Twitty boys have never been a suspect, like Joran. I have not seen one bit of proof that the Twitty boys were involved in her disappearance, not one.

The FIRST investgation priority is to RULE OUT family members and friends that last had contact with the supposed victim. That didn't happen, in spite of ALE's attempts to do so. It was BLOCKED by the parents (via attorneys). Jug pulled a nutty in the prosecutors office when she dared to ask him questions. (oh my!) Therefore they are still under suspicion. After all Thomas is a WITNESS. But he managed (to date) to escape any questioning.

[WordsofWisdom]

Just because there is no body, doesn't mean someone was not involved in a crime.

Nor does it mean there is a crime.

[WordsofWisdom]

Ummm, from his own mouth.

But I thought you said he is a liar?

[Heli]

But I thought you said he is a liar?

Well, come now WofW, they shall be the judges of when he's telling the truth and lying.

He's a liar and as such, all that he says must be seen with incredulity unless corroborated.

[iquitos]

Yes but they did not know Aruban law! Paul knows how to play the system
after being in the system is whole working life!

is that why his firstborn sat in the slammer for almost three months? brilliant!

[all10suspects]

is that why his firstborn sat in the slammer for almost three months? brilliant!

If Greta and the media did not go down to Aruba, Joran would have been
out in 8 days. After all no evidence of a crime dont you know!

[resigned]

That is not necessarily a true statement. It has a little spin on it. Just because he was the last known person to be with her or to see her doesn't mean he knows what happened to her. I thought this thread was about finding the simplest solution.

Back to the same old she said, he said, she did, he did argument that every thread appears to end up with. Derailed again, eh?

That is the simplest solution to me. What I can't post that without being accused of derailing?

I don't expect either the sea or Joran to own up to it - so we are pretty much in the same place as far as verification purposes.



Two teenagers hook up and go for a joyride after a day and night of partying...stop at a beach - one collapses - the other gets rid of the body.
No body, no case and whatever info they do give - never tell the entire truth. Keep 'em guessing. Like a burlesque.

[BarneyV]

It would seem that the simplest answer would be known by the person that was with her last - Joran.

Bullshit.

[all10suspects]

The last person with Natalee:

a. Joran

b. Joran and Paul

c. Joran, Deepak and Satish

d. Joran and Satish

e. Joran and Deepak

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What do they all of have in common? Joran. No one else has claimed to have seen Natalee after Joran. Either Natalee ran away or Joran
did something. I vote for the later. JMO!

[billybob]

The last person with Natalee:

a. Joran

b. Joran and Paul

c. Joran, Deepak and Satish

d. Joran and Satish

e. Joran and Deepak

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What do they all of have in common? Joran. No one else has claimed to have seen Natalee after Joran. Either Natalee ran away or Joran
did something. I vote for the later. JMO!

Or someone that we do not know about -- or Natalee went out to sea and none of us will ever know!

[all10suspects]

Or someone that we do not know about -- or Natalee went out to sea and none of us will ever know!

You would think that Joran and family would want to find out what
happen to Natalee to finally clear themselves from this case. Yet
it seems they have done nothing.

[billybob]

You would think that Joran and family would want to find out what
happen to Natalee to finally clear themselves from this case. Yet
it seems they have done nothing.

Oh now that is where you are wrong they have never stopped trying to find out what happened.

[all10suspects]

Oh now that is where you are wrong they have never stopped trying to find out what happened.

I have seen nothing any where that they are trying to find out what happen. All I have seen is a clip of the RG show that puts Natalee in a bad light and Anitas paintings. Please show something good they have tired to do.

[resigned]

Oh now that is where you are wrong they have never stopped trying to find out what happened.

Do they think the Thailand Tour will work? - Will they tell anyone else when they hear the whole truth - if they don't already know it?