Occam's razor cut to the bone

[billybob]

I have seen nothing any where that they are trying to find out what happen. All I have seen is a clip of the RG show that puts Natalee in a bad light and Anitas paintings. Please show something good they have tired to do.

You mean they have an obligation to tell all of you what they have been doing?

[Fishy]

Or someone that we do not know about -- or Natalee went out to sea and none of us will ever know!

Boeti claimed to have seen her returning to her room that night. But....we aren't supposed to take him seriously

[resigned]

Boeti claimed to have seen her returning to her room that night. But....we aren't supposed to take him seriously

Him and Julia were hiding Natalee out. Take it as serious as you like.

[billybob]

Boeti claimed to have seen her returning to her room that night. But....we aren't supposed to take him seriously

I dont know why that is ... I guess he did not get the memo that no one was supposed to have seen anything else after Joran left her on the beach.

Boeti might be the only person that was paying attention to all kinds of activities that night.

[Fishy]

Him and Julia were hiding Natalee out. Take it as serious as you like.

No thanks....I don't take the psychics theories serious. I just can't understand why Boeti's testimony was automatically debunked so quickly.

[AC]

Re: ok

AC wrote:
Just because there is no body, doesn't mean someone was not involved in a crime.

Nor does it mean there is a crime.

This was my entire post....interesting snip job, WOW, with no indication of such.

Heli, it is not preposterous....as it has been stated here many times, "no body, no case". Now, with that mindset, to me sounds like the beginnings of a cover up. That is my opinion. It takes me back to the Caylee Anthony case. Just because there is no body, doesn't mean someone was not involved in a crime. I think Joran was involved in a crime and I think Paul knows more about it than is known...but like I said, that is MY opinion.

[GBMW]

You would think that Joran and family would want to find out what
happen to Natalee to finally clear themselves from this case. Yet
it seems they have done nothing.

Indeed All10...they even haven't been very helpful towards the LE that are trying hard to find out what happened.

[Bongo]

The last person with Natalee:

a. Joran

b. Joran and Paul

c. Joran, Deepak and Satish

d. Joran and Satish

e. Joran and Deepak

---------------------------

What do they all of have in common? Joran. No one else has claimed to have seen Natalee after Joran. Either Natalee ran away or Joran
did something. I vote for the later. JMO!

Joran last person... so he...
Joran was the last one... so he...
No one else has claimed... so he...
She did not... so he..



Sorry, imo a HUGE lack of mental skills presented here. Absolutely no ability of objective, rational, creative, logical, analytical thinking. Not a tiny bit.

[all10suspects]

Joran last person... so he...
Joran was the last one... so he...
No one else has claimed... so he...
She did not... so he..



Sorry, imo a HUGE lack of mental skills presented here. Absolutely no ability of objective, rational, creative, logical, analytical thinking. Not a tiny bit.

3 1/2 years later it still goes back to Joran and friends or family. IMO!
At least KJ and MR Mos think so. Arrested in 2005 and in 2007.
Should have been arrested this year as well. Nobody else has been
arrested more than once for this. Are the Dutch that stupid they keep on arresting the same person?

[resigned]

Joran last person... so he...
Joran was the last one... so he...
No one else has claimed... so he...
She did not... so he..



Sorry, imo a HUGE lack of mental skills presented here. Absolutely no ability of objective, rational, creative, logical, analytical thinking. Not a tiny bit.

Well Bongo, I think that people could say the same for your posts. As long as it is any theory other than Joran than you think it is brilliant - but if the theory includes any involvement on the part of Joran in Natalee's disappearance then you choose to dismiss it as a lack of objective, rational, creative thinking....that's bullshit.

[resigned]

No thanks....I don't take the psychics theories serious. I just can't understand why Boeti's testimony was automatically debunked so quickly.

What testimony?

[AC]

But I thought you said he is a liar?

Well, do you think he is a liar? You seem to pick and choose statements he has spewed regarding truthfulness as well. So, if you think he is a liar concerning the Vander Eem tapes, then you must also think he is a liar regarding the interview he gave to Greta where he said he didn't do anything regarding Natalee's disappearance. Do you remember that interview? It seems, you CHOOSE to BELIEVE those comments, but don't believe the comments with Vander Eem. And don't go into the fact he was smoking pot or on coke, because there was also statements made one morning when he was NOT doing either, which would have given him the opportunity to back out of his story which he told previously.

The phrase, "pot calling kettle" here is also old. But, indeed that is what you do, IMO. When the statements prove your point, you jump, when they don't, you ignore. This case comes down to a person's perspective on what we know...they differ and that is understandable. Just don't throw your one like crap out without looking at yourself in the meantime.

[iquitos]

If Greta and the media did not go down to Aruba, Joran would have been
out in 8 days. After all no evidence of a crime dont you know!

you have no way of knowing what would have happened. they found marlise on bonaire without greta's help.

[iquitos]

Joran last person... so he...
Joran was the last one... so he...
No one else has claimed... so he...
She did not... so he..



Sorry, imo a HUGE lack of mental skills presented here. Absolutely no ability of objective, rational, creative, logical, analytical thinking. Not a tiny bit.

pat pawned his thinking cap after he settled on a position. tunnel vision has been epidemic in this case. nobody knows what happened to natalee and there is no proof joran caused her disappearance any more than anyone else. is she dead in the water? doubtful. too much risk of floating back to shore.

[billybob]

Him and Julia were hiding Natalee out. Take it as serious as you like.

Are you Daniel or Kelly?

[iquitos]

you can't believe a word he says. he was certified a head case by the top court of the islands. he was not remanded for any other offense due to lack of evidence.

[iquitos]

Are you Daniel or Kelly?

i swear there is more to boeti than meets the eye. somebody was hiding natalee and her mother knows it.

[Slickster]

Well Bongo, I think that people could say the same for your posts. As long as it is any theory other than Joran than you think it is brilliant - but if the theory includes any involvement on the part of Joran in Natalee's disappearance then you choose to dismiss it as a lack of objective, rational, creative thinking....that's bullshit.

Whoa!

[AC]

you can't believe a word he says. he was certified a head case by the top court of the islands. he was not remanded for any other offense due to lack of evidence.

IQ, with what we know now regarding Natalee's disappearance, do you think Joran was responsible?

The Investigators on this case has many times said all roads lead back to Joran. This was before he had his "time" with Vander Eem. So, what is your gut feeling?

Also, do you think there is a possibility that evidence was suppressed in any way with this case, due to Joran's Dad and his status on Aruba?

[fierljepper]

(But) don't see why the call has to be from McD's tho'. What's wrong with Joran calling Deepak from the huts? (and the two locations are known to produce very different cell (number) connections).

-Rolls

Since that's what Deepak claims in his statements about his recollection of the 2:26 call. Joran told him that he was walking barefoot in the vicinity of the MacDonalds.

Since I assumed that Deepak tells the truth, there is no obvious reason to believe he made this up. Of course Joran could have lied about the precise location he was at the time, but he also seemed to be in a honest mood talking about ' leaving the girl passed out on the beach' and 'walking home barefoot'. I therefore don't see the need in this scenario for him to suddenly be at the Fisherman's huts again. He only needed that location later to keep incriminating the K2 making a fictious pick-up.

[all10suspects]

IQ, with what we know now regarding Natalee's disappearance, do you think Joran was responsible?

The Investigators on this case has many times said all roads lead back to Joran. This was before he had his "time" with Vander Eem. So, what is your gut feeling?

Also, do you think there is a possibility that evidence was suppressed in any way with this case, due to Joran's Dad and his status on Aruba?

Being that daddy is friends with the top cop at the time and the judge that makes rulings on this case I thinkt they all did what they could do to
protect Joran. Friends helping friends. JMO!

[Bongo]

3 1/2 years later it still goes back to Joran and friends or family. IMO!
At least KJ and MR Mos think so. Arrested in 2005 and in 2007.
Should have been arrested this year as well. Nobody else has been
arrested more than once for this. Are the Dutch that stupid they keep on arresting the same person?

One, two, three, hundred arrests of a 'suspects' does not imply 'guilt'.

I wonder, is it really THAT hard to understand some very simple basic principles of criminal law procedure??

[Slickster]

Being that daddy is friends with the top cop at the time and the judge that makes rulings on this case I thinkt they all did what they could do to
protect Joran. Friends helping friends. JMO!

RWV-----

Here it is again for the clueless...and bear in mind this from a MTB mother:

"As one Mountain Brook Mother told me, "I feel that it is time for the parents, students, and members of the Mountain Brook community to step back and look at this scenario realistically. We need to stop playing the blame game - we are pointing fingers at everyone; the Arubans, the Dutch, the media, etc. We are a community in denial ... The bottom line is that our kids got caught up in the culture at Carlos and Charlies and were behaving wildly that night - dancing provocatively, doing body shots - I shudder to think what we might have seen had we been flies on the wall that night ... The dangerous part of the whole deal was that they were out of their element - they are young and inexperienced and were with people from all over the world ... the world is full of kooks and our kids were not behaving like ladies or gentlemen."

Interesting choice of words she uses... community in denial. Let's get the muzzles of the MTB kids and people, and we just may make some headway in this. Any progress is most definitely not going to come from Aruba. This is not a knock against Arubans, because I don't believe in condemning a whole country due to the actions of a few.

Posted by: TheFunkyBunch | July 16, 2005 03:41 PM

Community in Denial = Mountain Brook, Alabama!!!
Roll Tide!

[all10suspects]

One, two, three, hundred arrests of a 'suspects' does not imply 'guilt'.

I wonder, is it really THAT hard to understand some very simple basic principles of criminal law procedure??

Especailly when one has friends in the right places. Perons of interest or suspect was never given to anybody but the 10 suspects and some more
than once. Are the Dutch that stupid that they arrest people 2 or 3 times
and have nothing to show for it?

[resigned]

Are you Daniel or Kelly?

Why would you ask me that?