Another theory....

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Postby dugo » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:21 am

Glenda wrote:There was never a confession! This is BS.


Eehm.. in the sense that Joran said I did it, no. But there was an event that tricked the police into thinking that's what was going to happen. Joran pointed the finger at Deepak eventually in an attempt to get out of jail in the end.
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Re: Another theory....

Postby cajun_mali » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:18 pm

AC wrote:I remember Beth saying that she went into an LE office and saw a statement which was ripped up and thrown in the trash.

I believe there was a statement given by Joran explaining what took place and in that statement, there was talk of seizures.


How did she know it had anything to do with Joran? Could she have read it?
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Re: Another theory....

Postby WangChung » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:36 pm

cajun_mali wrote:
How did she know it had anything to do with Joran? Could she have read it?


Beth has still been unable and unwilling to provide any of these mysterious statements she claims to have salvaged from garbage cans. That might explain why her own attorney said they never existed in the first place. :wink:
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Re: Another theory....

Postby sandraK » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:29 pm

WangChung wrote:
Beth has still been unable and unwilling to provide any of these mysterious statements she claims to have salvaged from garbage cans. That might explain why her own attorney said they never existed in the first place. :wink:



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Postby FloridaDoug » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:05 pm

AC wrote:
Billybob, you know that I have tried to look at all sides of this case. My point is, that right from the beginning of this case it is very possible that Joran gave a confession to ALE, one that mirrors what he discussed with Vander Eem. I do believe it is very possible that someone has covered his tracks. I would like to know who that Senior ALE member was. This person leaked information to the press and it would be very interesting to find out what he/she knows regarding this case. THAT is my point.


It is possible, but do we really know there was a confession?

Was something really leaked to the press by a member of the ALE, or was this just another rumor?
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Postby all10suspects » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:11 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:
It is possible, but do we really know there was a confession?

Was something really leaked to the press by a member of the ALE, or was this just another rumor?


Somebody had to tell the American media on June 10, 2005 that Natalee
was dead. How would the media know that?
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Postby FloridaDoug » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:15 pm

all10suspects wrote:
FloridaDoug wrote:

It is possible, but do we really know there was a confession?

Was something really leaked to the press by a member of the ALE, or was this just another rumor?


Somebody had to tell the American media on June 10, 2005 that Natalee
was dead. How would the media know that?


What proof is there that the media "knew" anything?
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Postby all10suspects » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:16 pm

The media went on tv to say Natalee was dead. Somebody had to tell them. After all I am sure the suspects were not speaking English!
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Postby FloridaDoug » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:18 pm

all10suspects wrote:The media went on tv to say Natalee was dead. Somebody had to tell them. After all I am sure the suspects were not speaking English!


The media went on TV and said a lot of things
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Postby all10suspects » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:22 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:
The media went on TV and said a lot of things


So the media made it up 1 day after the suspects were arrested.
IMO I think the ALE night shift messed up and did not understand
they were not suppose to say things to the media that might get the suspects in trouble more. When the people in charge came to work
during the day they said nope did not happen. Sounds like a coverup to me!
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Postby resigned » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:23 pm

FloridaDoug wrote:
What proof is there that the media "knew" anything?


David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
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Postby all10suspects » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:25 pm

Misinformation fancy name for a coverup!
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Postby jolari » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:29 pm

My theory--We do not know SH** about what is factual, what is rumor, who is lying, who is telling the truth, when they are lying, when they are telling the truth, who has been misled, who is misleading everyone, whether a crime has been committed, and it just goes on and on. Unless one has the complete file in front of them, was there when everyone was interviewed, knows without a doubt that nothing has been lost in translations, and was there with Natalee, Joran, K2, Beth, Jug, the MB kids from the time that Natalee Holloway began her existance etc. etc. we do not know what the hell happened, why it happened, or anything else about this case. We all seem to cherry pick about we choose to believe, but ignore the pits while spitting them out.

Sure we can make pretty good ASSumptions about a lot of things, along with the whys, but they are nothing more than opinions, assumptions, or anything else you want to tag them with. There are a heck of a lot of people out there more closely attached to this case than bloggers that deserve closure and the opportunity to get on with their lives. I do not care whether it is ALE, the FBI, MSM, a journalist or want to be journalist that brings this case to closure, but there are many out there that need that closure and sadly I have to admit that anonymous bloggers are not high on that list. I just continue to hope that someone out there that knows anything that really occurred has whatever it takes to step forward. Until that happens this case will daunt anyone directly involved. :(.
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you are correct

Postby iquitos » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:25 pm

we only know what we are told by the press and the principles and they are not telling the truth. did you ever consider the case might never be solved? many are not. i read somewhere on a national basis the US only solves either 40 or 60 percent of homicides.
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Re: you are correct

Postby jolari » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:44 pm

iquitos wrote:we only know what we are told by the press and the principles and they are not telling the truth. did you ever consider the case might never be solved? many are not. i read somewhere on a national basis the US only solves either 40 or 60 percent of homicides.


don't know if you are asking mt that questuin but yes I have considered that this will never be solved--just not ready to stop hoping. Guess I am a die hard. :))
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Postby iquitos » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:54 pm

Dante described vengeance as "love of justice perverted to revenge and spite".
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Re: you are correct

Postby K_Meine » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:42 pm

iquitos wrote:we only know what we are told by the press and the principles and they are not telling the truth. did you ever consider the case might never be solved? many are not. i read somewhere on a national basis the US only solves either 40 or 60 percent of homicides.


I'd said the chances of resolution in this case are very slim at best but I do still have hope. You can say what you want about Beth and her cronies till the cows come home. However, I know a few parents who have outlived their children and it should be nothing you'd wish upon anyone let alone your worst enemy.

As far as the truth goes, the media creates their own "truth" to spew to the masses and by the time it reaches John Q. Public it's been dipped in at least three layers of shyte. How can we not question basically everything that's been fed to us from the very beginning? This whole situation highlights the lack of responsibility that has infiltrated our society. From Joran and his bullshit to the media and their embellished reporting. It sure would be refreshing for someone to take the high road and come clean with what happened.
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Re: you are correct

Postby jade » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:48 pm

iquitos wrote:we only know what we are told by the press and the principles and they are not telling the truth. did you ever consider the case might never be solved? many are not. i read somewhere on a national basis the US only solves either 40 or 60 percent of homicides.


Did you read that recently? If you run across that article again, I hope you'll post it. :shock:
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