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Postby ghost » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:08 pm

Linda in L.A. wrote:
Were you making a joke and I just missed it? This is not the same wallet...lol. The pic of Natalee's real wallet is a long wallet...the wallet shown in the tape is a short one.


Not only that, the bag highlighted in the photo has toilettries in it. It's a make up bag. :lol:
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Postby iquitos » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:22 pm

WordsofWisdom wrote:How to Choose a Safe Student Travel Tour Group
Ask Questions



In the wake of American student Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in late May, 2005, parents, students and teachers questioned the safety of organized student travel tour group activities.

Holloway was on an unofficial school expedition when she vanished on the Caribbean island. According to the Birmingham News, the 124 participating students were accompanied by four male faculty members from Mountain Brook's high and middle schools and three of the their wives, a chaperone ratio of 1-18 (industry standard is one adult to ten students).


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Jennifer Fontaine of Global Education Tours says, "Travelling out of the country should never be taken lightly. On a non-chaperoned trip, (a student) will be on their own to make decisions. Kids tend to think think they are invincible and don't always use common sense. Parents and students need ask the right questions (to determine a trip's safety)."

Some questions to ask in determining the safety of a student trip or group tour:

* Does the company require or recommend adult chaperones (volunteer parents or faculty)?

* Does the company provide its own tour directors or company representatives who accompany the traveling students?

* What's the student-adult ratio if company representatives join the trip or adult chaperones are recommended or required?

* What is the company's function in assisting adults with planning student tours?

* Does the company mandate rules and regulations for student security and behavior or are such guidelines merely recommended, if they exist at all?

* Must adult chaperones must fill out an application? Are they screened and trained in accordance with any company guidelines?

* If tour company rules, such as a nighttime curfew, exist and are violated by traveling students, will the adult chaperones or company tour leaders have mechanisms in place to be made aware of such violations and, if so, what steps will he/she take?

* Does a student tour group director (a company representative back at company headquarters) exist? At what point do tour group leaders contact the tour group director or the tour group director contact headquarters in case of emergency?

* What does the tour company consider an emergency - i.e.: would a situation such as a traveling student missing for the night (meaning until daylight) constitute an emergency? How will an emergency be handled?


all the above rolled into one special agent bearman who closed the gate after the cow got out so to speak.
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Postby resigned » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:47 pm

That video looks more like Trina the cabdriver working the register than it does of Natalee Holloway.

Wasn't this tape already discredited by ALE? I doubt if they would have arrested Joran and the Kalpoes the next morning if this was even remotely legit.
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Postby AlwaysL8 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:02 pm

resigned wrote:That video looks more like Trina the cabdriver working the register than it does of Natalee Holloway.

Wasn't this tape already discredited by ALE? I doubt if they would have arrested Joran and the Kalpoes the next morning if this was even remotely legit.


Sure they would have, resigned, they were trying to fool the real perps, remember. 8)
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Postby resigned » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:10 pm

AlwaysL8 wrote:
Sure they would have, resigned, they were trying to fool the real perps, remember. 8)


.......It's a shame that they didn't have access to any media that could have showed this "important footage" at the time. :)
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it is true that the us media dropped the ball

Postby iquitos » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:33 pm

covering miss reynolds after the cocktail hour was easier than wasting shoe leather covering the story. free content sure to rile the audiences. they did not follow up or comment on a single sighting. completely missed the medjet. just the jug and beth slander show nightly.
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Postby Gregor » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:34 pm

sarge wrote:

WOW, the ALE would not get involved in the behavior of the kids at the Holiday Inn. The Holiday Inn has their own security who would handle any behavior problems, underage drinking or anything else that was illegal at the hotel or on their property.
ALE would only be involved if something happened off the grounds of the Holiday Inn.

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Hotel security cannot arrest, jail or fine anyone.

Public drunkenness, disturbing the peace and vandalism are crimes. Security can detain troublemakers, but only until LE arrives.
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Postby sarge » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:37 pm

Gregor wrote:
Hotel security cannot arrest, jail or fine anyone.

Public drunkenness, disturbing the peace and vandalism are crimes. Security can detain troublemakers, but only until LE arrives.


Then they must not have ever been called. No MB graduate was ever arrested at the Holiday Inn.
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Re: it is true that the us media dropped the ball

Postby resigned » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:42 pm

iquitos wrote:covering miss reynolds after the cocktail hour was easier than wasting shoe leather covering the story. free content sure to rile the audiences. they did not follow up or comment on a single sighting. completely missed the medjet. just the jug and beth slander show nightly.


Did the Aruban media cover it? Or did they help create some of the "sightings" - I'll have a plain chicken breast with my phone card. :)
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aruban media?

Postby iquitos » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:02 pm

:lol: tito and hubert tried. jossy and julia were compromised from the beginning.

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/staff/

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,c ... /Itemid,1/
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Postby resigned » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:07 pm

iquitos wrote::lol: tito and hubert tried. jossy and julia were compromised from the beginning.


You still think that Hubert was following a white car on it's way to Venezuala by way of Columbia..........how did he miss the gas station stop? :lol:
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i prefer the black helo as you know

Postby iquitos » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:14 pm

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Postby resigned » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:19 pm

iquitos wrote:http://www.24ora.com/content/view/8516/5/


So ReNege is trying to capitalize on the LMN airing - get out those paypal cards.. Eh, that figures - but what's that have to do with this video not being Natalee Holloway?
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Re: Montreal is Safe:

Postby Linda in L.A. » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:25 pm

luvslalom wrote:http://www.spvm.qc.ca/EN/documentation/gd_19.asp


I wasn't saying Montreal wasn't safe Luv. Aruba is also safe. Point was...if a person wants to drink too much or party too much...they will...no matter where they go. Montreal has a low drinking age just like Aruba and so many have crucified Beth for allowing Natalee to go there.

I think a responsible person can also go to Aruba and have a beautiful holiday if thats what they choose. Its NOT the place that's responsible.
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Re: Montreal is Safe:

Postby luvslalom » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:00 am

Linda in L.A. wrote:
I wasn't saying Montreal wasn't safe Luv. Aruba is also safe. Point was...if a person wants to drink too much or party too much...they will...no matter where they go. Montreal has a low drinking age just like Aruba and so many have crucified Beth for allowing Natalee to go there.

I think a responsible person can also go to Aruba and have a beautiful holiday if thats what they choose. Its NOT the place that's responsible.


I know you weren't. :D I was very shocked to find that link. Young people and nightlife can run into trouble anywhere with the right mixture of drink, attitude and dares.
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Postby prolific » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:52 am

billybob wrote:
yes and here it is Ocean City Md that is where our Seniors go and many many begin their college years with "community service," and dui's. How nice.

when my son said he wanted to go to Montreal I said Yippee!!!


Linda in L.A. wrote:
Sorry BB...not getting your post. Montreal is a different country. Why would that make you so happy?? But at any rate...why do you think a kid who chooses to drink can't do that in Montreal?

In Montreal (Quebec) you can legally drink at a club at 18 years of age while you have to be 19 in Toronto (Ontario).

So how is this any different from Aruba?


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You can also gamble at 18. There are so called 10,000 prostitutes in Montreal.. Seems to have a lot in common with Aruba. Seems like an American teen can get into just as much trouble there as in Aruba.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:00 am

resigned wrote:
.......It's a shame that they didn't have access to any media that could have showed this "important footage" at the time. :)


Because of Aruba's laws ALE does not publish, discuss publicly, or disseminate potential evidence.

Beth knew that and capitalized on it.

YOU know that too.
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Postby WordsofWisdom » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:04 am

sarge wrote:Then they must not have ever been called. No MB graduate was ever arrested at the Holiday Inn.


How ridiculous.
ALE could not start an investigation for 48 hours.
Many adults, like Natalee Holloway (also an adult) extend their vacation and simply show up the next day.
Natalee had the right to do just that.

What reason would they have to arrest anyone? Even Williams was of the opinion that Natalee was "missing" on her own free will.
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Postby luvslalom » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:57 am

WordsofWisdom wrote:
How ridiculous.
ALE could not start an investigation for 48 hours.
Many adults, like Natalee Holloway (also an adult) extend their vacation and simply show up the next day.
Natalee had the right to do just that.

What reason would they have to arrest anyone? Even Williams was of the opinion that Natalee was "missing" on her own free will.
:roll:


He told you that?
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Postby Linda in L.A. » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:35 am

I thought Williams has disappeared "in a way" himself?? Did he give a statement or interview?
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Postby Gregor » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:41 am

sarge wrote:
Then they must not have ever been called. No MB graduate was ever arrested at the Holiday Inn.


Unless there's a serious crime, appreciable damage or the potential of a law suit, hotels don't really want the police on the premises
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Postby petals » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:47 am

sarge wrote:
Then they must not have ever been called. No MB graduate was ever arrested at the Holiday Inn.

As I recall, the Holiday Inn had already decided not to allow the MB group back next year because of the number of complaints that they received from other guests. (That might just be internet rumor.) I also recall that previous groups from MB had been banned from other hotels on the island. (Again, might just be internet rumor.) If that is true, then no one from MB could say that they didn't know exactly what their kids would be doing on Aruba.
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Postby ghost » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:50 am

petals wrote:As I recall, the Holiday Inn had already decided not to allow the MB group back next year because of the number of complaints that they received from other guests. (That might just be internet rumor.) I also recall that previous groups from MB had been banned from other hotels on the island. (Again, might just be internet rumor.) If that is true, then no one from MB could say that they didn't know exactly what their kids would be doing on Aruba.


It is an internet rumor. On the other hand, when you book 120+ 18 year olds and 7 adults, what do you expect? Bible meetings?
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Postby Black-Tulip » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:58 am

ghost wrote:
It is an internet rumor. On the other hand, when you book 120+ 18 year olds and 7 adults, what do you expect? Bible meetings?


8) How sure are you?
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Postby iquitos » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:27 am

Gregor wrote:
Unless there's a serious crime, appreciable damage or the potential of a law suit, hotels don't really want the police on the premises


true.
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