Frannie & The Girls - Press Conference Stars

[iquitos]

Now this is just me, personally, but the way you and your friends act towards anyone from Mountain Brook (the Beth approach with a different region) I wouldn't in a million years do you (collective, general you) any favors.

That being said, I also personally think that at least one person did see her get in, IIRC a name was thrown out there but I don't remember it ever having been confirmed. Likely more than one person did, otherwise it would've been difficult to pinpoint which car she got into.

you have used this argument before. if a real person not hiding behind some pseudonym were publicly to state in credible detail i would accept it. i won't accept it from third parties who were not there and who post from anonymity. i am talking about a professional statement not some evasive, disjointed and fractious interview like we have seen. just the who what when were and why. as in my name is on the night in question i was standing with so and so and so and so at the bus stop when natalee waved from the window of a silver car. i called after her and the car stopped. i suggested she get out and come back with us and she laughed and told us she was going on a ride with these guys. they told her she should get out but she declined. as they drove off she stuck her head out the window and yelled wahoo aruba as the car disappeared into the night. did this person give a statement to the fbi?

[sarge]

I don't know why anything matters 4 yrs later but maybe these kids were told by the FBI not to tell anything publicly about that night and any involvement any of them had or even any of their impressions.

[WordsofWisdom]

I don't know why anything matters 4 yrs later but maybe these kids were told by the FBI not to tell anything publicly about that night and any involvement any of them had or even any of their impressions.

No "The Family" did.

[WordsofWisdom]

I have been in there. Have you?

Yep.
It's a typical bar scene.

[WordsofWisdom]

She has never been seen or heard from since leaving Carlos and Charlies.

No grassy knolls in Aruba. Just conspiracy theories on message boards.

FROM TUS
AbbeyUSA

Beth Twitty's own words:

Nancy Grace
05/12/06

"....you know, and I cherish those, you know, times that -- when I`m with Natalee and -- but what pains me the most is what I see that Natalee has missed and is missing and will always miss in her life."

On the Record
Great van Susteren
05/17/06

"I'll be honest, the anger tends to override everything, when I see everything Natalee has missed and will continue to miss for the rest of her life......"

[Slickster]

So his dad and D and S all know for sure what happened? Or is everyone in the dark with Joran laughing at them?

Hey gilli, good to see you out and about!

[sarge]

I would be angry too. Wouldn't you, when you know she has missed the rest of her life?
I don't agree with how Beth handled everything in the summer of 2005. I think she probably got some bad advice from several people that she trusted. Her SIL was a PR person for a hospital. She had never handled anthing like Natalee's disappearance. She was in way over her head. I can understand her anger though. I think she was fed a lot of information that was not true. I don't know her or anyone in her family but I do sympathize with her in the frustration that she must have felt in those months when she was told that the case would be solved soon. They were in a crucial point in the investigation. It all turned out to be a big flop with no results.

[resigned]

TWITTY: You know, Nancy, when I head into something, as we`re approaching Mother`s Day, I think about all the things that are so much more difficult for me to endure just on a daily basis, Nancy. I mean, I think about — when I see Natalee`s friends, I think about the things that Natalee has missed in her life, and look at Mother`s Day as something, you know, that — I think of that as something, of course, for me, and I — you know, and I cherish those, you know, times that — when I`m with Natalee and — but what pains me the most is what I see that Natalee has missed and is missing and will always miss in her life.

And I think that is the most difficult thing that we deal with on a daily basis, as — you know, I know now that Natalee — Natalee should almost be a sophomore in college, Nancy, and she was just so robbed of that

[resigned]

you have used this argument before. if a real person not hiding behind some pseudonym were publicly to state in credible detail i would accept it. i won't accept it from third parties who were not there and who post from anonymity. i am talking about a professional statement not some evasive, disjointed and fractious interview like we have seen. just the who what when were and why. as in my name is on the night in question i was standing with so and so and so and so at the bus stop when natalee waved from the window of a silver car. i called after her and the car stopped. i suggested she get out and come back with us and she laughed and told us she was going on a ride with these guys. they told her she should get out but she declined. as they drove off she stuck her head out the window and yelled wahoo aruba as the car disappeared into the night. did this person give a statement to the fbi?

Joran says he heard it - you don't believe him? Isn't the case file supposedly super secret under the Dutch system. I recall all that early stuff about it being "encrypted" and sealed in a vault somewere.

ABRAMS: Well we might. I mean there might be leaks from the people inside. I mean it happens all the time.

RENFRO: Then that's a rumor.

ABRAMS: Well no, that's—you could have a good source who tells you. We don't have it. I'm not saying we have it. I'm saying that your rival, I guess papers or whatever reporting it, some other networks, but you're not reporting it, neither are we. Let's forget about it and move on. Thanks a lot for coming on the program.

RENFRO: Excellent.

ABRAMS: Appreciate it.

RENFRO: Thank you.

[ghost]

you have used this argument before. if a real person not hiding behind some pseudonym were publicly to state in credible detail i would accept it. i won't accept it from third parties who were not there and who post from anonymity. i am talking about a professional statement not some evasive, disjointed and fractious interview like we have seen. just the who what when were and why. as in my name is on the night in question i was standing with so and so and so and so at the bus stop when natalee waved from the window of a silver car. i called after her and the car stopped. i suggested she get out and come back with us and she laughed and told us she was going on a ride with these guys. they told her she should get out but she declined. as they drove off she stuck her head out the window and yelled wahoo aruba as the car disappeared into the night. did this person give a statement to the fbi?

Absolutely nothing in your posts negates my "argument".

[plhtx1]

Yep.
It's a typical bar scene.

So, you should know it's not that dark in there.

[gilligan]

Personally, I think they do. But aside from that, do you truly believe that if any of them thought there was a POSSIBILITY that they could be cleared because they MIGHT have been with a different girl, they would never mention this possibility just because they like Joran so much?

I don't think their motivation for being ignorant of the facts surrounding the disappearance of the tiny kingdom tourist is loyalty based, in a pinch people generally do what's best for them and no-one else.

[iquitos]

Absolutely nothing in your posts negates my "argument".

IF one of the kingdomer kids saw natalee in the car and tried to get her out saying so publicly would not violate any law i know of.

[resigned]

IF one of the kingdomer kids saw natalee in the car and tried to get her out saying so publicly would not violate any law i know of.

Did any locols see her get into or riding in the Kalpoe car? What about the white pick -up ? Do they have the zoom capability that they use on "Criminal Minds" to see tag numbers?

[ghost]

IF one of the kingdomer kids saw natalee in the car and tried to get her out saying so publicly would not violate any law i know of.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I've posted. Again, nothing you have said negates the "argument" I posted.

I don't think their motivation for being ignorant of the facts surrounding the disappearance of the tiny kingdom tourist is loyalty based, in a pinch people generally do what's best for them and no-one else.

Exactly. So why would they never voice this possibility when it could exonerate them completely?

[iquitos]

on who saw natalee with the guys in the car? did nobody see her or did several or did one see it and take appropriate action (call momma, tell on natalee, and ask her what to do).

[gilligan]

Exactly. So why would they never voice this possibility when it could exonerate them completely?

Why can't you understand iquitos? I think we need OG to translate what he is saying to you, maybe that will help.

Possibilities don't exonerate people.

[WordsofWisdom]

on who saw natalee with the guys in the car? did nobody see her or did several or did one see it and take appropriate action (call momma, tell on natalee, and ask her what to do).

Nah... just Uncle Jug and mommy Marcia that was down the road a piece.

I figured since there was so much speculation going on, I'd add my part.....

[ghost]

Why can't you understand iquitos? I think we need OG to translate what he is saying to you, maybe that will help.

Possibilities don't exonerate people.

Two way street. Iquitos hasn't posted anything that negates my "argument".

Possibilities open the door for these guys to be exonerated. I don't think I can be convinced that if you throw a drowning man a life raft he won't take it.

on who saw natalee with the guys in the car? did nobody see her or did several or did one see it and take appropriate action (call momma, tell on natalee, and ask her what to do).

Personally, I don't know. What I've always wondered is why a message board feels ENTITLED to access to people who were there, especially when, and let's all be honest here, those people will certainly be belittled, made fun of, and possibly worse regardless of what information they bring forward. The fact is I could take a random name from one of the people that graduated with me, say I were them, and start handing out tidbits from the trip. And there would be no way for anyone here to in fact confirm that I was that person and that I did know for a fact what I was talking about. I am not naive enough, and nor are you, to think that no one else realizes this. There wouldn't be any point in offering information. It would be shot down regardless of the true identity of the poster, even if they provided it.

[WangChung]

The fact is I could take a random name from one of the people that graduated with me, say I were them, and start handing out tidbits from the trip. And there would be no way for anyone here to in fact confirm that I was that person and that I did know for a fact what I was talking about. I am not naive enough, and nor are you, to think that no one else realizes this.

Many of us realized it long ago. You've been doing it for four years. The question has always been "Why?"

[WordsofWisdom]

Many of us realized it long ago. You've been doing it for four years. The question has always been "Why?"

Yup.

[WordsofWisdom]

Personally, I don't know. What I've always wondered is why a message board feels ENTITLED to access to people who were there.

Beth is the one that put it out there.
She invaded our homes for months on end.
The minute she lied to us, is when we, her lackeys, that spent our time and sat and listened to this freak lie to us, at that moment in time we became entitled to the truth, therefore access to the truth. And that access to the truth can only come from people that were there.

[gilligan]

Many of us realized it long ago. You've been doing it for four years. The question has always been "Why?"

Because they get paid to post.

[WordsofWisdom]

Because they get paid to post.

That AND there are some personal agendas as well.

[iquitos]

to know the truth about natalee holloway. she has become a household name and a subject of cocktail party chitchat. there are a few books on the subject and they principals practically lived in our tv rooms for months on end spewing slander and nonsense. so why not tell the public a few basic facts to help them better understand this compelling story? only makes sense. most of what they are selling, yes selling, doesn't.