Natalee Ann Holloway - "Missing for 4 years"

[prolific]

Prolific, I have heard of the above but I have never seen that video before.

Pat, thanks for link. I have not followed the NH case in quite some time.

What made me wonder:

Those are some serious allegations about Jug Twitty. If there is nothing to it why did he not go after them? They are all in the US, Jug Twitty has even some 'connections' to politicians and some rich friends. And he should be easily be able to afford an attorney.

It was much more difficult for Deepak and Satish to go after Dr. Phil and Skeeters. But they did.

Any thoughts?

Hey CK...

I suppose the same can be said for a lot of people...why didn't they sue if it's not true? I don't think suing or not suing is the basis for saying it must be true then.

I'm certainly no Jug fan but how do you sue and prove their allegations are false? Natalee certainly isn't here to dispute she wasn't pregnant with his baby or she wasn't being moilested by Jug or that she didn't run away or meet up with people after she left the prime suspect or that she didn't die til two weeks later.

Why didn't the VDS sue Hodges or Jossy or DeVries or or that psychic Carla Baron, who did Haunting Evidence or any other people? They all made some pretty serious allegations...were they all true?
Why didn't they even speak out publically to dispute them all....were they all true since they didn't? All the prime suspect talked about suing DeVries for was copyright..seems strange if he was planning to sue that that's all he would sue for.

I believe there is a quote from Dompig stating that these two were crazy and had a different wild story all the time...no credibility....I don't think there are very many people who bought what they tried to sell so why not just ignore obvious kooks..

JMO

[petals]

Hey CK...

I suppose the same can be said for a lot of people...why didn't they sue if it's not true? I don't think suing or not suing is the basis for saying it must be true then.

Tell that to resigned. He seems to think that Joran and Paulus must be guilty of everything they have ever been accused of, because neither one of them have ever sued anybody.

Actually, Paulus did file an action for wrongful detention. He won at trial but lost on appeal.

[prolific]

Tell that to resigned. He seems to think that Joran and Paulus must be guilty of everything they have ever been accused of, because neither one of them have ever sued anybody.

Actually, Paulus did file an action for wrongful detention. He won at trial but lost on appeal.

I'm not talking about his arrest, i'm talking about people in the public making allegations like the the psychics.

Can you find all of those posts of resigned's that says Paulus and Joran must be guilty of everything they have been accused of because they didn't sue?

[Slickster]

Dirty Little Secrets,
Dirty Little Lies.

Roll Tide Twitty!!!!

[cajun_mali]

I'm not talking about his arrest, i'm talking about people in the public making allegations like the the psychics.

Can you find all of those posts of resigned's that says Paulus and Joran must be guilty of everything they have been accused of because they didn't sue?

And he says sucks a lot.

[prolific]

And he says sucks a lot.

How much is a lot? More times than you said sucks...was his saying sucks in response to your saying sucks? Is there a tally somewhere about who says sucks a lot/most...and quoting the same post doesn't bring the saying sucks count up.

And what does your post have to do with Natalee disappearing?

[SassyGirl]

Why did Joran have to chose to tell stories that something bad did INDEED happen? Why not stick to I left her there and she was fine? Or she died and I left her there? Why implicate yourself? Forget the families they weren't there when this happened. Yes NH was drunk and possibly could have OD'd. Why not leave it at that?

[prolific]

Why did Joran have to chose to tell stories that something bad did INDEED happen? Why not stick to I left her there and she was fine? Or she died and I left her there? Why implicate yourself? Forget the families they weren't there when this happened. Yes NH was drunk and possibly could have OD'd. Why not leave it at that?

Hey SassyGirl...nice to 'see' you back ...how is your little guy doing?

[petals]

I'm not talking about his arrest, i'm talking about people in the public making allegations like the the psychics.

Can you find all of those posts of resigned's that says Paulus and Joran must be guilty of everything they have been accused of because they didn't sue?

Resigned posted it earlier this morning on this thread (back one page). So, do you think that Jug molested Natalee just because he never sued Kelly and Daniel? I don't.

[SassyGirl]

Hey SassyGirl...nice to 'see' you back ...how is your little guy doing?

He is soooo fantastic!! He's 14 months now and so much fun!

[luvslalom]

Hey CK...

I suppose the same can be said for a lot of people...why didn't they sue if it's not true? I don't think suing or not suing is the basis for saying it must be true then.

I'm certainly no Jug fan but how do you sue and prove their allegations are false? Natalee certainly isn't here to dispute she wasn't pregnant with his baby or she wasn't being moilested by Jug or that she didn't run away or meet up with people after she left the prime suspect or that she didn't die til two weeks later.

Why didn't the VDS sue Hodges or Jossy or DeVries or or that psychic Carla Baron, who did Haunting Evidence or any other people? They all made some pretty serious allegations...were they all true?
Why didn't they even speak out publically to dispute them all....were they all true since they didn't? All the prime suspect talked about suing DeVries for was copyright..seems strange if he was planning to sue that that's all he would sue for.

I believe there is a quote from Dompig stating that these two were crazy and had a different wild story all the time...no credibility....I don't think there are very many people who bought what they tried to sell so why not just ignore obvious kooks..

JMO

I think that quote was for more than just the 2 psychics at the time, as they were with a few ex-pats.

[prolific]

Resigned posted it earlier this morning on this thread (back one page). So, do you think that Jug molested Natalee just because he never sued Kelly and Daniel? I don't.

Hmmm..that one post is what you were referring to...funny but that doesn't appear to be what he said at all...like they say context is everything..

CherokeeKid wrote:

Prolific, I have heard of the above but I have never seen that video before.

Pat, thanks for link. I have not followed the NH case in quite some time.

What made me wonder:

Those are some serious allegations about Jug Twitty. If there is nothing to it why did he not go after them? They are all in the US, Jug Twitty has even some 'connections' to politicians and some rich friends. And he should be easily be able to afford an attorney.

It was much more difficult for Deepak and Satish to go after Dr. Phil and Skeeters. But they did.

Any thoughts?


resigned Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:17 am

Where would he file suit - Aruba? I believe the link you provided - the interview was taken by reporters on Aruba ( you could Gielen holding court) and was a pre-show for the press conference that Daniel and Kelly did on the Telearuba TV station. What good would that due to file a civil claim on Aruba against two Amercans via another American.


Why hasn't Paulus and Anta sued anyone ? There have been some serious accusations made about them - Pffft nothing - and Paulus is an attorney! How come Joran never sued Dr. Phil? Deepak was the only person actually on the interview but he managed to get Satish in the lawsuit as well - the same was pretty much said about all three of them - so why Satish and not Joran? Joran likes easy money.

Maybe not everyone is sue crazy?. ..and/or figure why give this crap more attention than it is already getting.

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As for your last question...no need to answer as I've stated my opinion of the crazy psychics and their wild allegations many, many times already..

[resigned]

Tell that to resigned. He seems to think that Joran and Paulus must be guilty of everything they have ever been accused of, because neither one of them have ever sued anybody.

No resigned doesn't.

My reply was a counter to what Cherokee Kid asked.

[yankee-in-france]

Prolific, I have heard of the above but I have never seen that video before.

Pat, thanks for link. I have not followed the NH case in quite some time.

What made me wonder:

Those are some serious allegations about Jug Twitty. If there is nothing to it why did he not go after them? They are all in the US, Jug Twitty has even some 'connections' to politicians and some rich friends. And he should be easily be able to afford an attorney.

It was much more difficult for Deepak and Satish to go after Dr. Phil and Skeeters. But they did.

Any thoughts?

Yes, you don't dignify the absurd with a response. It's the old smear tactic. Even though false, it will have some people discussing it and it taints and is so very unfair.

[resigned]

And he says sucks a lot.

I got it from you - but I haven't told anyone that they suck - that's the difference.

[luvslalom]

My thoughts exactly. =

So is this laughing fit DENIALISM, or DEBATE?

[prolific]

He is soooo fantastic!! He's 14 months now and so much fun!

Enjoy every minute! I miss those days.....my youngest is 16 today!

[cajun_mali]

How much is a lot? More times than you said sucks...was his saying sucks in response to your saying sucks? Is there a tally somewhere about who says sucks a lot/most...and quoting the same post doesn't bring the saying sucks count up.

And what does your post have to do with Natalee disappearing?

Hey, I started it.

There's time you gotta move on, and I did.

What did Paulus sweating a lot have to do with Natalee? But, we certainly discussed it. Just like we're discussing this. Get over it and move on.

[cajun_mali]

Yes, you don't dignify the absurd with a response. It's the old smear tactic. Even though false, it will have some people discussing it and it taints and is so very unfair.

That's funny! And it doesn't matter which side you're on, or even if you have a side.

[cajun_mali]

I got it from you - but I haven't told anyone that they suck - that's the difference.

I guess I knew when to quit. Sucks, doesn't it.

[prolific]

Hey, I started it.

There's time you gotta move on, and I did.

What did Paulus sweating a lot have to do with Natalee? But, we certainly discussed it. Just like we're discussing this. Get over it and move on.

HUH?

Is there any particular reason you keep telling people to get over it? Get over what?

How over it could you have been since you just said it yesterday and then were the one that brought it up out of nowhere again today when you quoted me...sure doesn't sound like you moved on anywhere..

So you equate discussing Paulus' sweating ( who actually is a part of the case BTW ) when the reason it was even discussed was because there were those who were making claims that it did have to do with Natalee with a message board poster saying the word sucks?

Ok...moving on...

[CherokeeKid]

Thanks for the replies, Prolific, Pat, YIF and everyone.

When I watched that video, it sounded quite convincing. As they also mentioned Beth Twitty's best friend who supposedly confirmed that Jug was molesting Natalee. I cannot remember the name but wonder if this best friend was ever questioned about Natalee?

I do remember that Dompig wanted to check out the family, I do not remember in which regard that was. But I remember that Dompig was frustrated with the FBI as they told him "do your own dirty work".

There was also Natalee's toothbrush with the male DNA on it. IIRC, Jug Twitty was asked to give his DNA. He refused, threw a tantrum at Karen Jansen's office and never returned to Aruba.

I DO remember very well how bizarre Beth Twitty's behavior was. I had followed the Scott Peterson case from the beginning very closely which was my first and very intense experience with discussing crime on message boards. When Natalee went missing on Aruba, for some reason, this case caught my attention right away. It was just in the first few days when Natalee was missing that Beth Twitty spoke to the Aruban media which was also aired here in the States.

What I found most bizarre: That Beth Twitty was "demanding" that Natalee should call her and come home. The 'kidnapped' story was already told by Nancy Grace but Beth Twitty's words were like (paraphrasing): "Natalee, please call me. I'm ready to go home and I'm not leaving Aruba without you!" Her voice sounded angry, it seemed to me she was angry at Natalee.

There was also the "Call me, Hootie" poster. Which did not make sense IF Natalee had been kidnapped.

Beth Twitty's story about the trooper who had supposedly stopped her while she was driving 120 miles/hour does not make sense to me either. Nor does her story that she "knew Natalee was kidnapped" in the first two seconds when she got that cell phone call.

And talking about cell phones: Joe Tacopina pointed out that Beth Twitty had lied, that she and Natalee DID have contact by phone while Natalee was on Aruba.

On one side that story that Jug molested Natalee might sound crazy but on the other hand, there are elements who might point in that direction.

I always wondered why Natalee was so excessively drinking. To a point that her friends told her to slow down. IMO, she was a troubled young lady.

As for the suing: Joe Tacopina planned on suing people, mainly the media, who would continue making allegations against Joran or Paul VDS. I believe he also intended to sue some media people after Joran was released as suspect. But that never happened as Joran remained a suspect.

There was just yesterday a media blob in the news about a model who had successfully sued Google, I think for using the word "skunk". In other words, people ARE suing for label and defamation even if the allegations are less severe. JMO.

[Slickster]

[K Hemingway]

So is this laughing fit DENIALISM, or DEBATE?

Duh...

There IS no intelligent debate with people in denial...but it's hilarious to watch the heroic efforts here sometimes.

[sarge]

Thanks for the replies, Prolific, Pat, YIF and everyone.

When I watched that video, it sounded quite convincing. As they also mentioned Beth Twitty's best friend who supposedly confirmed that Jug was molesting Natalee. I cannot remember the name but wonder if this best friend was ever questioned about Natalee?

I do remember that Dompig wanted to check out the family, I do not remember in which regard that was. But I remember that Dompig was frustrated with the FBI as they told him "do your own dirty work".

There was also Natalee's toothbrush with the male DNA on it. IIRC, Jug Twitty was asked to give his DNA. He refused, threw a tantrum at Karen Jansen's office and never returned to Aruba.

I DO remember very well how bizarre Beth Twitty's behavior was. I had followed the Scott Peterson case from the beginning very closely which was my first and very intense experience with discussing crime on message boards. When Natalee went missing on Aruba, for some reason, this case caught my attention right away. It was just in the first few days when Natalee was missing that Beth Twitty spoke to the Aruban media which was also aired here in the States.

What I found most bizarre: That Beth Twitty was "demanding" that Natalee should call her and come home. The 'kidnapped' story was already told by Nancy Grace but Beth Twitty's words were like (paraphrasing): "Natalee, please call me. I'm ready to go home and I'm not leaving Aruba without you!" Her voice sounded angry, it seemed to me she was angry at Natalee.

There was also the "Call me, Hootie" poster. Which did not make sense IF Natalee had been kidnapped.

Beth Twitty's story about the trooper who had supposedly stopped her while she was driving 120 miles/hour does not make sense to me either. Nor does her story that she "knew Natalee was kidnapped" in the first two seconds when she got that cell phone call.

And talking about cell phones: Joe Tacopina pointed out that Beth Twitty had lied, that she and Natalee DID have contact by phone while Natalee was on Aruba.

On one side that story that Jug molested Natalee might sound crazy but on the other hand, there are elements who might point in that direction.

I always wondered why Natalee was so excessively drinking. To a point that her friends told her to slow down. IMO, she was a troubled young lady.

As for the suing: Joe Tacopina planned on suing people, mainly the media, who would continue making allegations against Joran or Paul VDS. I believe he also intended to sue some media people after Joran was released as suspect. But that never happened as Joran remained a suspect.

There was just yesterday a media blob in the news about a model who had successfully sued Google, I think for using the word "skunk". In other words, people ARE suing for label and defamation even if the allegations are less severe. JMO.

Wasn't that friend of Beth's Carol Sandifier who told Charlerat that she never said it?