Natalee Ann Holloway - "Missing for 4 years"

[luvslalom]

Glad you admit it was a mistake. Thank you so much.

YW, however the mistake wasn't mine. It was how you perceived what I said.
I was actually answering to 2 different posts separated by a space. I will be more clear in the future.

[prolific]

She sure does have quite a few nics on the internet doesn't she....supposed credible journalists, film makers all over the internet, with message board posters trying out the spins/revenge bits trying to find out what might stick?

What will it be today...will it be the unhappy, abused, excessively drinking teen who obviously needed to get away from her miserable home life and her out of control, abusive, controlling mother and sexually abusive stepfather so she ran away from a foreign country....or maybe Natalee the, drug dealer, law breaking international drug trafficker who obviously overdosed on coke that she took before meeting up with the prime suspect...or maybe it will be the desperately chasing boys Natalee again obviously due to her hatred of her mother....or maybe something new altogether.

Ding, Ding.
We have a winner.

Ok, so you're saying that's the spin that won out and the one Gielen etal are going to stick with.....thanks for letting everyone know Slick.

Well alrighty then, may as well go ahead and post the proof......post the evidence..... Link?

~sarcasm off~

[Black-Tulip]

YW, however the mistake wasn't mine. It was how you perceived what I said.
I was actually answering to 2 different posts separated by a space. I will be more clear in the future.

If you say so ... no problem.

[resigned]

I would gladly like to react on the letter to the editor of mr Hitzig Bazur in the Amigoe of June 6th. I am pleased that mr. Bazur mentions the 'other' side of the story.

As a correspondent for the Dutch current affairs program 'EenVandaag' [A Today--ag] from the Antilles I reported about the case from Aruba right after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but also more than a year ago (March 2006).

It quickly became clear to me that indeed there is 'another' side to this story.

I interviewed the mother of Natalee, shortly after the disappearance. I have spoken with a lot of people from Aruba and my experience then as my experience later are the basis of my theorie, which can be described as a 'conspiracy theory'.

In the article of mr Bazur is mentioned that the disappearance of Natalee was only known when the group was back in Alabama. I am so bold to contradict this. At the gathering of the youngsters in the lounge of the hotel before the departure to the airport her absence was obvious. Why didn't her roommates ring the alarm when she wasn't there in the morning? Nathalee's [sic] mother arrived with among others her attorney in a private jet that same night in Aruba. And there it begins.

A few of Natalee's classmates were interrogated, but here exists the peculiarity that a request there to from Aruba was only honored three months later by the FBI, with the result that a small selection was made from the classmates that were on Aruba and they all had about the same story.

Why was there a staggering amount in life insurance for Natalee?
Why were many people told to stay silent?

Why did Natalee's father say something completely different in an interview in Aruba than he wrote in his book?

Why is the fund (Natalee Holloway Trust) that was created for Natalee shrouded in secrecy? And why was Natalee's father not allowed to take a part in it?

I have tried to perform an independant investigation, primarily focusing on Alabama and a country in Central America. That investigation obviously costs money and I have not yet been able to get it financed. I have tried many times in the Aruban private sector as the public media in the netherlands, but until now nobody is willing to donate.

I truly regret this since I was chasing a clue and still am.

I would like to solve it, for Natalee, Aruba en all that are involved in this.

Renee Gielen
(producer documentaries correspondent EenVandaag)
Curacao

[AlwaysL8]

I would gladly like to react on the letter to the editor of mr Hitzig Bazur in the Amigoe of June 6th. I am pleased that mr. Bazur mentions the 'other' side of the story.

As a correspondent for the Dutch current affairs program 'EenVandaag' [A Today--ag] from the Antilles I reported about the case from Aruba right after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but also more than a year ago (March 2006).

It quickly became clear to me that indeed there is 'another' side to this story.

I interviewed the mother of Natalee, shortly after the disappearance. I have spoken with a lot of people from Aruba and my experience then as my experience later are the basis of my theorie, which can be described as a 'conspiracy theory'.

In the article of mr Bazur is mentioned that the disappearance of Natalee was only known when the group was back in Alabama. I am so bold to contradict this. At the gathering of the youngsters in the lounge of the hotel before the departure to the airport her absence was obvious. Why didn't her roommates ring the alarm when she wasn't there in the morning? Nathalee's [sic] mother arrived with among others her attorney in a private jet that same night in Aruba. And there it begins.

A few of Natalee's classmates were interrogated, but here exists the peculiarity that a request there to from Aruba was only honored three months later by the FBI, with the result that a small selection was made from the classmates that were on Aruba and they all had about the same story.

Why was there a staggering amount in life insurance for Natalee?
Why were many people told to stay silent?

Why did Natalee's father say something completely different in an interview in Aruba than he wrote in his book?

Why is the fund (Natalee Holloway Trust) that was created for Natalee shrouded in secrecy? And why was Natalee's father not allowed to take a part in it?

I have tried to perform an independant investigation, primarily focusing on Alabama and a country in Central America. That investigation obviously costs money and I have not yet been able to get it financed. I have tried many times in the Aruban private sector as the public media in the netherlands, but until now nobody is willing to donate.

I truly regret this since I was chasing a clue and still am.

I would like to solve it, for Natalee, Aruba en all that are involved in this.

Renee Gielen
(producer documentaries correspondent EenVandaag)
Curacao

The above in red should have been a clue to renee, no one in their right mind would finance a documentary full of drivel based on misinformation, rumors and out right lies.

[resigned]

The above in red should have been a clue to renee, no one in their right mind would finance a documentary full of drivel based on misinformation, rumors and out right lies.

I have tried many times in the Aruban private sector as the public media in the netherlands, but until now nobody is willing to donate.

Wonder who she eventually got to give her few duckets for her efforts - are they members of AHATA ?- any of the suspects relatives? - Tourism Ministry

[AlwaysL8]

Wonder who she eventually got to give her few duckets for her efforts - are they members of AHATA ?- any of the suspects relatives? - Tourism Ministry

The VDS's ? The author of an on-line book ? Message boarders ?

[luvslalom]

Wonder who she eventually got to give her few duckets for her efforts - are they members of AHATA ?- any of the suspects relatives? - Tourism Ministry

I thought it was "Pay per view". Along with the video they offered a virus/comp worm...bonuses aren't what they used to be.

[luvslalom]

Why was there a staggering amount in life insurance for Natalee?
Why were many people told to stay silent?

Sure sounds like she believes the message board fodder and entered it as her belief.

Why did Natalee's father say something completely different in an interview in Aruba than he wrote in his book?

People change their minds on a daily basis on any given thing.

Why is the fund (Natalee Holloway Trust) that was created for Natalee shrouded in secrecy? And why was Natalee's father not allowed to take a part in it?

I never once heard/read Dave complaining. Sure is nice of Gielen to worry for Dave, not?

[MfB]

As for Gielen she first surfaced in 2007 I think, claiming she interviewed Beth in Aruba in 2005 which I find doubtful as nothing was mentioned until 2007.

Poor gal, pretending to know it all and then overlooking (or better being oblivious of) the fact that Renee Gielen did a report on the case June 27, 2005 on Aruba, interviewing both Tim Miller and Beth Holloway.

You gotta get your facts straight luvs or people will not take you serious anymore, no matter the amount of posts you make on a day.

[luvslalom]

Poor gal, pretending to know it all and then overlooking (or better being oblivious of) the fact that Renee Gielen did a report on the case June 27, 2005 on Aruba, interviewing both Tim Miller and Beth Holloway.

You gotta get your facts straight luvs or people will not take you serious anymore, no matter the amount of posts you make on a day.

Who was the June interview privvy to? I have not seen it nor heard of it and if you're insinuating I am lying, I simply did not know. I am not a member where she posts and gives her info to.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind posting the interview?

[Bongo]

Who was the June interview privvy to? I have not seen it nor heard of it and if you're insinuating I am lying, I simply did not know. I am not a member where she posts and gives her info to.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind posting the interview?

TweeVandaag, 27 juni 2005

http://noevidenceofacrime.com/chapter2. ... &paged=101

[luvslalom]

TweeVandaag, 27 juni 2005

http://noevidenceofacrime.com/chapter2. ... &paged=101

Thank you. Are there no transcripts/videos that show Renee Gielen was there? Those clips are the same from other media and for all I know she could have copied them and just spoke her views. I saw no actual interviewing although I saw beth speaking and of course Tim. These interviews are normally recorded by someone else while the interviewer and interviewee are filmed together. Beth was talking to someone as filmed by FOX previously, and Gielen's voice was recorded. You can believe what you want but I don't buy that interview. IMO those are copied clips.

I was googling and found Gielens facts:
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum ... php?t=6836

[Bongo]

Thank you. Are there no transcripts/videos that show Renee Gielen was there? Those clips are the same from other media and for all I know she could have copied them and just spoke her views. I saw no actual interviewing although I saw beth speaking and of course Tim. These interviews are normally recorded by someone else while the interviewer and interviewee are filmed together. Beth was talking to someone as filmed by FOX previously, and Gielen's voice was recorded. You can believe what you want but I don't buy that interview. IMO those are copied clips.

I was googling and found Gielens facts:
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum ... php?t=6836

OMY you fail to hear RG in the background? Don't you recognize her voice? She is asking Beth the questions in English to which Beth is answering.

[MfB]

Thank you. Are there no transcripts/videos that show Renee Gielen was there? Those clips are the same from other media and for all I know she could have copied them and just spoke her views. I saw no actual interviewing although I saw beth speaking and of course Tim. These interviews are normally recorded by someone else while the interviewer and interviewee are filmed together. Beth was talking to someone as filmed by FOX previously, and Gielen's voice was recorded. You can believe what you want but I don't buy that interview. IMO those are copied clips.

I was googling and found Gielens facts:
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum ... php?t=6836

Grasping at straws now luvvy, my my your field must be bare

Ohh and thanks for the educational intervention Bongo

[luvslalom]

OMY you fail to hear RG in the background? Don't you recognize her voice? She is asking Beth the questions in English to which Beth is answering.

I heard Gielen in the background in Dutch. The other voices in English sounded manly, not like Gielens.
I will listen again.
What I saw anyone could produce. There must have been alot of others around getting the same interview b/c I recognize the clips from a FOX video.
I wonder if Greta remembers a Renee Gielen?

[luvslalom]

Grasping at straws now luvvy, my my your field must be bare

Ohh and thanks for the educational intervention Bongo

No, the BS has been hot and heavy and furious out of Aruba from day 1. I have finally started questioning, rather than saying thank you for BS. OK!
If reports on one subject were given at least 10 different answers that don't mesh, there's more where it came from.
Besides, I was a Joran support to begin with and have learned the secrets and some tricks of the trade.

[resigned]

TROS (originally an acronym for Televisie Radio Omroep Stichting) is a Dutch television and radio organization part of the Netherlands Public Broadcasting. This broadcasting union is particularly well-known for its entertainment programmes, quizzes and focus on Dutch folk music in programmes like "Tros Muziekfeest op het Plein" and the digital channel "TROS Sterren TV".


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Informational

Een Vandaag (One Today), a daily news bulletin and documentary (with the AVRO) ( the station with the program who found Osama Bin Laden - not guilty)
http://tinyurl.com/n3qwhm
TROS TV Show, a weekly chat show.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS

[MfB]

No, the BS has been hot and heavy and furious out of Aruba from day 1. I have finally started questioning, rather than saying thank you for BS. OK!
If reports on one subject were given at least 10 different answers that don't mesh, there's more where it came from.
Besides, I was a Joran support to begin with and have learned the secrets and some tricks of the trade.

So all the straws are gone and you resort to derailing and off-topic stuff.

Listen sista: you posted here that you never heard of Renee Gielen before 07 and that you believed she was never involved in the case before that.

Now more knowledged posters have shown you the error of your words and you still try to weasle out?

Come on face it, Renee Gielen was covering the case, she was in Aruba and talking to liar Beth already in June 05 and she has the news item to prove it.

How about you, did you really not know that or did you think it would go unnoticed in your avalanche of disinformation lately?

[prolific]

Is that when Gielen thoughtprinted her by looking in her eyes and just knew this was a woman with problems which set her off on her journey of reven....err.. the real truth?

Funny thing about that interview...end of June and no accusations about kidnapping, rape or gang rape...just that she believes they have information that would help find her daughter....even when asked about Paulus' involvement Beth said she can't guess that....Imagine that...Yes that was very educational.

Still doesn't make Gielen any less a hack set out for revenge out of hatred for the mother and hooked up with everyone and anyone who would feed her agenda, nada to do with wanting answers in what happened to Natalee....just shoving it into the face of the bitch of a mother that her daughter was not the angel she said she was...her first go around apparently didn't work so it looks like as the old saying goes...if at first you don't succeed try try again.....

[Bongo]

TROS (originally an acronym for Televisie Radio Omroep Stichting) is a Dutch television and radio organization part of the Netherlands Public Broadcasting. This broadcasting union is particularly well-known for its entertainment programmes, quizzes and focus on Dutch folk music in programmes like "Tros Muziekfeest op het Plein" and the digital channel "TROS Sterren TV".


(snipped)


Informational

Een Vandaag (One Today), a daily news bulletin and documentary (with the AVRO) ( the station with the program who found Osama Bin Laden - not guilty)
http://tinyurl.com/n3qwhm
TROS TV Show, a weekly chat show.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS

Nice try..

[resigned]

I have tried to perform an independant investigation, primarily focusing on Alabama and a country in Central America. That investigation obviously costs money and I have not yet been able to get it financed. I have tried many times in the Aruban private sector as the public media in the netherlands, but until now nobody is willing to donate.

I truly regret this since I was chasing a clue and still am.

I would like to solve it, for Natalee, Aruba en all that are involved in this.

Renee Gielen
(producer documentaries correspondent EenVandaag)
Curacao

Investigator - filmmaker - soothsayer - face reader -conspiracy theorist extraordinaire

[luvslalom]

So all the straws are gone and you resort to derailing and off-topic stuff.

Listen sista: you posted here that you never heard of Renee Gielen before 07 and that you believed she was never involved in the case before that.

Now more knowledged posters have shown you the error of your words and you still try to weasle out?

Come on face it, Renee Gielen was covering the case, she was in Aruba and talking to liar Beth already in June 05 and she has the news item to prove it.

How about you, did you really not know that or did you think it would go unnoticed in your avalanche of disinformation lately?

edit You know what you can do with your disinformation. Isn't it interesting that Joran supporters get 2 or more nics.
I was corresponding with Scubajap in 2006 when they were trying to find a Documentarian to carry the bullshit. She had in mind some big names, so Renee Gielen was a last resort. Scuba never mentioned a Gielen.
Gielen's son was hob nobbing with Joran so I suppose that was the connection. There are others who also didn't know about Gielen as early as 2005 either and they are friends now. Forever tied in the web of lies.
If anyone is weaseling it's Gielen, stealing clips from FOX.
There were may who wondered who Gilene was when her first piece came out in 2006 or 07. Not just me, so quit yuor THREATENING tone.
Either she wasn't there, or she wasn't important enough to get noticed.

[luvslalom]

TROS (originally an acronym for Televisie Radio Omroep Stichting) is a Dutch television and radio organization part of the Netherlands Public Broadcasting. This broadcasting union is particularly well-known for its entertainment programmes, quizzes and focus on Dutch folk music in programmes like "Tros Muziekfeest op het Plein" and the digital channel "TROS Sterren TV".


(snipped)


Informational

Een Vandaag (One Today), a daily news bulletin and documentary (with the AVRO) ( the station with the program who found Osama Bin Laden - not guilty)
http://tinyurl.com/n3qwhm
TROS TV Show, a weekly chat show.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TROS

Well look at that will ya! New World Order, Bin Laden supporter, LMAO. they have a history of supporting criminals.

[MfB]

edit You know what you can do with your disinformation. Isn't it interesting that Joran supporters get 2 or more nics.

And once again making it personal when you are shown up,
Grow up babe and tell me what other nick I ever had here if you dare.

I was corresponding with Scubajap in 2006 when they were trying to find a Documentarian to carry the bullshit. She had in mind some big names, so Renee Gielen was a last resort. Scuba never mentioned a Gielen.

No link, no quote, no proof so BS.

Gielen's son was hob nobbing with Joran so I suppose that was the connection. There are others who also didn't know about Gielen as early as 2005 either and they are friends now. Forever tied in the web of lies.
If anyone is weaseling it's Gielen, stealing clips from FOX.

See that's what I mean with your obsession with mrs Gielen, you even stoop so low as to involve her son in this, how monkey

There were may who wondered who Gilene was when her first piece came out in 2006 or 07.

Not those who saw her item on Twee Vandaag on June 27, 2005 where the anchor announces that Renee Gielen went to Aruba for them and where she interviewed Beth -liar- Holloway and Tim Miller.

Not just me, so quit yuor THREATENING tone.
Either she wasn't there, or she wasn't important enough to get noticed.

Moi threatening, maybe for your credibility here but other than that I'm a pussycat