Natalee Ann Holloway - "Missing for 4 years"

[resigned]

Twee Vandaag September 1st 2006

The Great Minds Network ?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 811686324#

[luvslalom]

Moi threatening, maybe for your credibility here but other than that I'm a pussycat

edit Just signed in to tell you about Gielen's disappeared website, which stated she covered the NH case extensively in May of 2005 and in 2006.

Just wondering how extensive she could cover the case in May 2005 when Natalee disappeared the end of May?

So the June episode was chit. Copied from FOX and other media. Skeeterized!!!

And you got personal first like you always do. You don't have to believe me what I said Scuba told me or anything else, and in fact I would prefer you out of my face. OK.

[GBMW]

Twee Vandaag September 1st 2006

The Great Minds Network ?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 811686324#

I don't watch it very often but IMO Twee Vandaag (these days EenVandaag) is a pretty good news reporting programme. It's a serious programme; quality - serious wise not as say Netwerk but it's on a more family time timeslot so it's more general.

From what I've been told by people that work there they regret airing the item (which
Renee Gielen produced) where is reflected that the 'other side is suspicious'.

This is their recent website; gives you an idea of how they represent the news in their programme:
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/

[luvslalom]

I don't watch it very often but IMO Twee Vandaag (these days EenVandaag) is a pretty good news reporting programme. It's a serious programme; quality - serious wise not as say Netwerk but it's on a more family time timeslot so it's more general.

From what I've been told by people that work there they regret airing the item (which
Renee Gielen produced) where is reflected that the 'other side is suspicious'.

That's why the Gielen hasn't done anymore EXTENSIVE work for them, lol.
Thanks GBMW, you're the only honest Netherlander here.

[GBMW]

That's why the Gielen hasn't done anymore EXTENSIVE work for them, lol.
Thanks GBMW, you're the only honest Netherlander here.

That could be....but it could also be linked to of what has unfolded since then.
But there have been quite a few Aruba - Antilles - Natalee items in the programme over the years and I don't recall her being involved in those?

BTW; I had to laugh at the rotzak you threw in the sentence in an earlier post. Was that the word that was behind Joran when you looked it up in the dictionary?

[resigned]

I don't watch it very often but IMO Twee Vandaag (these days EenVandaag) is a pretty good news reporting programme. It's a serious programme; quality - serious wise not as say Netwerk but it's on a more family time timeslot so it's more general.

From what I've been told by people that work there they regret airing the item (which
Renee Gielen produced) where is reflected that the 'other side is suspicious'.

This is their recent website; gives you an idea of how they represent the news in their programme:
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/

Many appear to be opinion pieces, or maybe to put it another way - news stories that analyze the who, what and where of the news events- which are different from facts. We have stations that air those items too - public broadcasting channels - that focus on items that are subjective. They may be interesting to keep one's mind open - but that hardly means they are conclusive and tend to be put together by someone that is looking for the result that they eventually present.

[AlwaysL8]

I don't watch it very often but IMO Twee Vandaag (these days EenVandaag) is a pretty good news reporting programme. It's a serious programme; quality - serious wise not as say Netwerk but it's on a more family time timeslot so it's more general.

From what I've been told by people that work there they regret airing the item (which
Renee Gielen produced) where is reflected that the 'other side is suspicious'.

This is their recent website; gives you an idea of how they represent the news in their programme:
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/

Why am I not surprised that Gielen was involved. That video was sickening. 911 was a horrendous tragedy and their suggestions as to the cause are contemptible. Gielen's Time Lines crockumentary had already given an insight to this person's psyche, this video proves she is no better than her cohorts the CooCoo Wild Cowboys? Credible...Pffftttt.

[resigned]

Why am I not surprised that Gielen was involved. That video was sickening. 911 was a horrendous tragedy and their suggestions as to the cause are contemptible. Gielen's Time Lines crockumentary had already given an insight to this person's psyche, this video proves she is no better than her cohorts the CooCoo Wild Cowboys? Credible...Pffftttt.

I don't know if Gielen was involved in that specific documentary - (the 9/11) - that is the station that aired her "interview". The station, or program appears to look at/for alternative answers, IMO.

[Slickster]

and where does George Jug Twitty fit into all of this?
Have to ask cuz I have heard he fits deeply into this whole situation.

Roll Tide Twitty!
Has a nice ring to 'it', doesn't it?


Go ahead slam away,
what is one more slam, at least it isn't all about that Renee' chick is it?

[GBMW]

Many appear to be opinion pieces, or maybe to put it another way - news stories that analyze the who, what and where of the news events- which are different from facts. We have stations that air those items too - public broadcasting channels - that focus on items that are subjective. They may be interesting to keep one's mind open - but that hardly means they are conclusive and tend to be put together by someone that is looking for the result that they eventually present.

Yeah, opinion pieces; that's the word I was looking for.

A report is produced...the outset of what will be said - told / the general point in the item is the first thing. And from there speakers are interviewed. Stockshots & interview shots are produced by a reporter & cameraman and if needed archive shots are being searched. Sometimes while filming the interview / stockshots or when news comes in during the day the outset of the report changes.

I think Renee Gielen produced this item; offered the idea / the report...I don't think TweeVandaag had their minds on an item like that and asked her to produce it.

[luvslalom]

That could be....but it could also be linked to of what has unfolded since then.
But there have been quite a few Aruba - Antilles - Natalee items in the programme over the years and I don't recall her being involved in those?

BTW; I had to laugh at the rotzak you threw in the sentence in an earlier post. Was that the word that was behind Joran when you looked it up in the dictionary?

Yes and the Encyclopedia as well.

[luvslalom]

and where does George Jug Twitty fit into all of this?
Have to ask cuz I have heard he fits deeply into this whole situation.

Roll Tide Twitty!
Has a nice ring to 'it', doesn't it?


Go ahead slam away,
what is one more slam, at least it isn't all about that Renee' chick is it?

I believe a spcial thread was made for George Twitty; have you forgotten?

[WordsofWisdom]

Oh for Christ's sake!
WOW you and BT are sure ones to talk right, about midleading info?

Whether the Gielen got it from Daniel and Kelly doesn't matter one bit. She ran with it and made a Docu including all the filth she could find, and I know for a fact posters were asked to gather shit on Natalee and her family, because I was asked, when I was still part of the group that protects your little rotzak. I suspect Anita was behind it all.
I know that someone who used to post here was quite excited to find that Daniel and Kelly were on Anita's best buddy mailing list. The rest isn't difficult to figure.

If Gielen didn't say it, why did she include it all in her Docu? If she didn't believe it, why make a movie/video about it?
Documentaries arer supposed to be truthful and with back up proof. She did say in one part that she had a contact in USA that was familiar with photoshopping (to claim that Natalee or someone in that family had photoshopped) however she did not give a credible source.
Do you not understand why credible media didn't buy her junk? All of it was knocking Natalee and family, a girl presumed dead and last seen with Joran.

Yes, there was a secret hole where smut was gathered, and some came from there and posted it all over the forums. It was SP's place and you all know who dropped the most info there and who brought it out. The smut began here.

As far as the others in her Docu, it's all the day dreamers who have been on the forums from day 1 to mislead.

eta: If you now look at "No evidence of a crime", you will find a comment that says:

Quote:
Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba -1
Examining the Mt. Brook teens in the same manner that Joran, Deepak and Satish were looked upon as this case began back in June of 2005.


Tit for tat from someone who worships the Gielen. Isn't that lovely! Natalee is presumed dead, but J2K are very much alive! Smear the victim, her family and all of MountainBrook as much as one can, right?

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[K Hemingway]

I believe a spcial thread was made for George Twitty; have you forgotten?

I believe a special thread was made for Renee's docu too. Have YOU forgotten?

[WordsofWisdom]

Stop twisting.

Gielen, the supposed credible journalist, film maker, 'merely' airing the psychic and message board rumors and speculations without getting proof and confirmation, especially since the nutjobs and other rumors had already been debunked and then trying to sell it to the public without confirming it to be true is no different than the cries about Greta et al speculating.

Then the same should also go for Greta, after all she "merely" filmed others saying things and aired it....but no doubt 'that's different'.

And give it a rest with they did it daily and without anything to back it up...the police made them the suspects, where he remains today whether you like it or not.

Gielen is nothing but a hack, out for revenge with her message board poster dear friends based on hatred for the mother....no different than Jossy, Hodges and others we've been screaming about....some just like what she has to say so they excuse her BS saying it's ok becausel 'she's just trying to find the ruth....ROFLMAO..

BTW just how many nics does she have on the internet?

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[WordsofWisdom]

But you fail to notice that I was not a part of that group? No one asked me to gather shit. Ever!

So STFU with YOUR SHIT.

Didn't ask anyone as a matter of fact.
People contributed links etc. just like they do here- on their own.

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Didn't ask anyone as a matter of fact.
People contributed links etc. just like they do here- on their own.

"Who" didn't ask anyone? Gielen or Anita?

medleyrelay started a thread on this board stating that Anita wanted information on the Bearmans.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=126569

It could be that medleyrelay was lying ? I dunno - but that is what they posted.
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There is also a interview from RED magazine on these threads in which Renee Gielen intervewed Anita - so it is more than likely they know each other and "support" one another's "creative" efforts.

Another of Renee's documentary contributors is credited with the photo of Anita for the RED magazine piece.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=15955

[WordsofWisdom]

Didn't ask anyone as a matter of fact.
People contributed links etc. just like they do here- on their own.

"Who" didn't ask anyone? Gielen or Anita?

medleyrelay started a thread on this board stating that Anita wanted information on the Bearmans.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=126569

It could be that medleyrelay was lying ? I dunno - but that is what they posted.


I am pretty sure you are talking about something else.
If not, then I am.
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There is also a interview from RED magazine on these threads in which Renee Gielen intervewed Anita - so it is more than likely they know each other and "support" one another's "creative" efforts.

Another of Renee's documentary contributors is credited with the photo of Anita for the RED magazine piece.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=15955


Oh horrors! say it ain't so!

[WordsofWisdom]

Observation:

There is a clear and distinct assault on Ms. Geilen and her credibility today. Something resembling a lynch mob. None of the attacks on this journalist is warranted.

This assault has actually backfired, IMO and revealed that there are some very scared people. Scared that the truth may emerge from her investigations. The usual modis operandi is being played out here at RU... Discredit Ms. Geilen before she reports the truth. It has happened many times and is very transparent to even the most casual of observers.

It won't work.
The truth will prevail.
Regardless of the attempts to discredit her.

[plhtx1]

Observation:

There is a clear and distinct assault on Ms. Geilen and her credibility today. Something resembling a lynch mob. None of the attacks on this journalist is warranted.

This assault has actually backfired, IMO and revealed that there are some very scared people. Scared that the truth may emerge from her investigations. The usual modis operandi is being played out here at RU... Discredit Ms. Geilen before she reports the truth. It has happened many times and is very transparent to even the most casual of observers.

It won't work.
The truth will prevail.
Regardless of the attempts to discredit her.

OMG, I see you are still drinking the Kool-aid....lol

[WordsofWisdom]

OMG, I see you are still drinking the Kool-aid....lol

Watch it play out.....
We have already seen the previews.

[resigned]

My Observation:

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passed by - ran out of steam a long time ago.....

[K Hemingway]

My observation...

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[AlwaysL8]

I don't know if Gielen was involved in that specific documentary - (the 9/11) - that is the station that aired her "interview". The station, or program appears to look at/for alternative answers, IMO.

I took this part of GMBW's post above to mean that gielen was involved. I dunno, maybe I am reading it wrong.

From what I've been told by people that work there they regret airing the item (which
Renee Gielen produced) where is reflected that the 'other side is suspicious'.

[AlwaysL8]

Observation:

There is a clear and distinct assault on Ms. Geilen and her credibility today. Something resembling a lynch mob. None of the attacks on this journalist is warranted.

This assault has actually backfired, IMO and revealed that there are some very scared people. Scared that the truth may emerge from her investigations. The usual modis operandi is being played out here at RU... Discredit Ms. Geilen before she reports the truth. It has happened many times and is very transparent to even the most casual of observers.

It won't work.
The truth will prevail.
Regardless of the attempts to discredit her.

GMAFB, we are all just a bunch of message board posters. I for one do not claim nor portray myself to be anything but. The truth does not scare me one little bit, but I must say the twisting and spinning for joran is clearly not the truth. No matter what the truth is, it will not affect my life whatsoever.

Renee Geilen is fair game, she has inserted herself in this case with her load of BS. It is your right to buy into it, it is others' right to call it as they see it...BS. It is apparent she is not investigating anything but postings on message boards, we had heard it all long before her crockumentary was put on pay-per-view because no credible outlet was available to her biased attempt to slam Natalee and those who loved her. That no outlet or monetary help was available to her tells the value of her trash. She discredited herself.

And speaking of attempting to discredit, isn't that what has been done to anyone who supported Natalee, her family and friends, anyone who did not/does not believe in the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance? How did that work for ya?

YOUR opinion does not trump others opinions. YOU don't KNOW the truth, Geilen doesn't KNOW the truth. Deal with it.

I also believe the truth will prevail.
I would love to see the look and the egg on your face when it does.